7000 Years is Not Enough

[for_his_glory]

The only prophets being sent are sent by Christ.
They are prophets who come in the name of Christ.
They are called. Christians in acts.
They are called christians today.

Those two Christians in revelation kill and torment people in the name of Jesus Christ and you believe they are good christians.
What's wrong with your judgement?
Do you always see christians killing and tormenting other people as being good?

Is it the fact they are called christians when they torment other people that makes you think they are called by God to kill people in Jesus name?

There's no telling how many poor children will die because of the famine these two christians cause but you will still think they are doing the right thing in Jesus name.

Oh, so now you believe there are prophets today as you disagreed with me earlier. What makes you believe God would send His two witnesses to kill other as scripture says, or that this beast out of the bottomless pit is of God that kills the two witnesses, which by the way God brought them back to life.

Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

 

[for_his_glory]

Scrpture does not say they preach the gospel of Christ.Scripture says they kill people and torment people.
No where does scripture say these two christians preach the gospel.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

I would be happy they were dead if they were tormenting me.They obviously are not telling people they should love their enemies which is the gospel.They are not preaching that people should pray for those who persecute you because they are the ones doing the persecuting.
They spend the entire tribulation persecuting people.Geesh

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

What else would their testimony be if not of testifying of God before men. Why would the beast bother to kill them if they were God's enemy? Why were the Prophets, Jesus and the Apostles killed if not to silence them as others were tormented by the words they spoke of God.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Hello for_his_his_glory. I agree with you that ttwo witnesses preach the gospel,

for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Rev.19:10

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I never said it wasn't Jerusalem, but also at that time this will be a global attack as this beast is a Luciferian system that controls world wide economics, political, military, educational, environmental and false religious system.

No,the beast attacks the city referd to as Babylon.
Revelation states that it is a city.Not the world.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

What else would their testimony be if not of testifying of God before men. Why would the beast bother to kill them if they were God's enemy? Why were the Prophets, Jesus and the Apostles killed if not to silence them as others were tormented by the words they spoke of God.

The beast attacks them because they torment people.Revelation says the people who kill the two witnesses celebrate in Jerusalem because they torment and kill people.Not because they preach the gospel.
To say these two killers preach the gospel is adding to revelation.
The good news of Christ has never tormented anyone and to say that Jesus torments and killed people like the two witnesses is not the truth.Jedus never hurt anyone.
The two witnesses spend the entire tribulation killing people.Murdering people.
Men,women and children all suffer at the hands of these two witnesses that you believe are good christians.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Oh, so now you believe there are prophets today as you disagreed with me earlier. What makes you believe God would send His two witnesses to kill other as scripture says, or that this beast out of the bottomless pit is of God that kills the two witnesses, which by the way God brought them back to life.

Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

No,I said the prophets today are sent by Christ in the gospel.
You said these two prophets came from God when they didn't.
Christ said he was the last to be sent by God and you still have not showed that God sent them and not Christ sending his own prophets in his name.

 

[RBDERRICK]

Does the destruction of Babylon happen before or after the Millennium?

Jeruslaem is prophesied to become heaps again in Jerem 9 and Mic 3. The Lord is prophesied in Jerem 30 and Zech 6 to come and rebuild Jerusalem and His own Millennial house out of it. As well as them coming from afar to help Him.

The city Babylon of old has already been laid waste as prophesied in Jerem 51.

Last time Jerusalem was laid waste, the Lord had kings release His people to return and rebuild Jerusalem and His temple again. Next time He will come again to do so Himself.

 

[Paul Timothy]

Jeruslaem is prophesied to become heaps again in Jerem 9 and Mic 3. The Lord is prophesied in Jerem 30 and Zech 6 to come and rebuild Jerusalem and His own Millennial house out of it. As well as them coming from afar to help Him.

The city Babylon of old has already been laid waste as prophesied in Jerem 51.

Last time Jerusalem was laid waste, the Lord had kings release His people to return and rebuild Jerusalem and His temple again. Next time He will come again to do so Himself.

So... you have no answer.
Oh well.

 

[RBDERRICK]

Babylon does not kill the two witnesses.
The two witnesses occupy the drunken prostitute babylon for 1260 days.No one from Jerusalem or Israel ever do any harm to those two witnesses.

True. They are not allowed to be killed by God, until their testimony on earth is finished.

It's similar to how afterward, Satan is not allowed on earth to deceive and tempt any man, unto the Millennium of Christ is expired.

It's the beast that ascends out of the bottomless Pit and the ten horns that kill the two witnesses.The beast that ascends from the abiss hates the whore.
Do you understand?

He is allowed by God to kill His two witnesses.

Afterward, he will also hate the whorish city and burn her with fire.

Revelation 17:16
The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

Revelation 11
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.


THE PROSTITUTE DOES NOT KILL THE TWO WITNESSES.HER ENEMIES DO.

I see your error now. You mistakenly make Rev 11:7, and 17:16 the same event.

As for the two witnesses ,God did not send them.Jesus said in the gospel that God sent his Son last.

God sent His Son last of all the old prophets to his own people Israel of the OT, which included John the Baptist.

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds.

God sent His Son in these last days.

His Son now sends His preachers and witnesses to testify of Him and preach His gospel.

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

In Scripture God never calls false prophets 'His witnesses'.

There are false prophets and apostles of Christ, but they are not His witnesses. They are false witnesses witnessing of another christ and gospel. That's why the beast kills God's own true witnesses.

Your theory to make God's two witnesses into false prophets for the beast, is certainly unique, but not Scripturally true. You need to rightly divide Scripture by considering all Scripture together.

Mathew 21:37
Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.

God has not sent a prophet since and doesn't.

And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

As I said, you need to consider all Scripture together, so as not to make one Scripture appear to contradict another.

Prophets and prophecy of Scripture is the old word for ministering the things of God. Prophecy is not just about foretelling future events.

Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. (1 Cor 14)

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (2 Peter 1)

The gospel of Jesus Christ is the prophecy His preachers preach. Prophecy of Scripture is ministering His word. We must avoid prophesying our own things, as though they were the Scriptures of God.

By wrongly dividing the word of truth, you have mistakenly prophesied false things about God's two witnesses in Rev 11, as well as done away with all called and sent prophets in the NT body of Christ.

He sent his Son last.Thextwo witnesses are witnesses of Christ.They are two christians who spend time with a drunken prostitute tormenting her enemies.

You mean are not witnesses of Christ, since none of Christ's witnesses spend time with any drunken prostitute, nor tormenting anyone other than the enemies of God by speaking the truth of His gospel.

The beast will spend much time with Jerusalem when behaving herself the whore of the NT, as before in the OT. God says he will then begin to hate that great city and burn her with fire.

Sounds much the same as Hitler's last days with Berlin and all Germany, who judged they had let him down, and were not worthy of him and his thousand year Reich. The beast that comes as Christ in the flesh again with his own gospel of the Millennial kingdom, will obviously do the same with Jerusalem at the Lord's coming in the air.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

True. They are not allowed to be killed by God, until their testimony on earth is finished.

It's similar to how afterward, Satan is not allowed on earth to deceive and tempt any man, unto the Millennium of Christ is expired.


He is allowed by God to kill His two witnesses.

Afterward, he will also hate the whorish city and burn her with fire.



I see your error now. You mistakenly make Rev 11:7, and 17:16 the same event.

God sent His Son last of all the old prophets to his own people Israel of the OT, which included John the Baptist.

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds.

God sent His Son in these last days.

His Son now sends His preachers and witnesses to testify of Him and preach His gospel.

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

In Scripture God never calls false prophets 'His witnesses'.

There are false prophets and apostles of Christ, but they are not His witnesses. They are false witnesses witnessing of another christ and gospel. That's why the beast kills God's own true witnesses.

Your theory to make God's two witnesses into false prophets for the beast, is certainly unique, but not Scripturally true. You need to rightly divide Scripture by considering all Scripture together.





And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

As I said, you need to consider all Scripture together, so as not to make one Scripture appear to contradict another.

Prophets and prophecy of Scripture is the old word for ministering the things of God. Prophecy is not just about foretelling future events.

Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. (1 Cor 14)

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (2 Peter 1)

The gospel of Jesus Christ is the prophecy His preachers preach. Prophecy of Scripture is ministering His word. We must avoid prophesying our own things, as though they were the Scriptures of God.

By wrongly dividing the word of truth, you have mistakenly prophesied false things about God's two witnesses in Rev 11, as well as done away with all called and sent prophets in the NT body of Christ.


You mean are not witnesses of Christ, since none of Christ's witnesses spend time with any drunken prostitute, nor tormenting anyone other than the enemies of God by speaking the truth of His gospel.

The beast will spend much time with Jerusalem when behaving herself the whore of the NT, as before in the OT. God says he will then begin to hate that great city and burn her with fire.

Sounds much the same as Hitler's last days with Berlin and all Germany, who judged they had let him down, and were not worthy of him and his thousand year Reich. The beast that comes as Christ in the flesh again with his own gospel of the Millennial kingdom, will obviously do the same with Jerusalem at the Lord's coming in the air.

You seemed to have missed the biggest point.

The beast and ten horns that attacks and kills the two witnesses hate the prostitute before they attack and kill the two witnesses.
They hate her today and the two witnesses have not even arrived in Jerusalem yet.
The point you seem to miss is that the prostitute and two witnesses reign over those ten nations together.They are lovers .The prostitute only kills the prophets and saints that are preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.
That's why she would never hurt the two witnesses who kill and torment others for her.

Her enemies will kill her lovers thou.Then she will have no one to protect her.She will stand defenseless.

 

[RBDERRICK]

There was a time when I thought the two witnesses of Jesus were raptured too.But I couldn't understand why they do the exact opposite of everything Jesus commands his witnesses in the gospel.

There's nothing opposite to Jesus' gospel in Rev 11, except killing His two witnesses and rejoicing over their dead bodies.

And the more I learned about what takes place in Jerusalem on the day they ascend into heaven in that cloud that I realized what was actually happening to them.Yes they are ascending into heaven in a cloud that rises from Jerusalem into the sky to be in the presence of the lamb who is in the clouds.

And so we see how more and more Scripture must be read wrong, in order to support a false prophecy of Scripture.

Revelation 14:9-11
A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand,
they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.
And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

1. The two witnesses are resurrected from the dead to stand upon the earth alive again. None of the wicked dead are resurrected on the earth, but only to be judged at the GWT after the earth is passed away.
2.The two witnesses ascend with clouds. Only Jesus and His resurrected saints ascend with clouds.
3. God does not call up the wicked to come up where He is.
4. God does not give power of prophets to the wicked, but Satan can give power to imitate God's prophets and witnesses, even as the magicians of Egypt. The dragon will do the same for his last false prophet on earth.

I've learned,in order to fulfill scripture they must be alive and they must be in the presence of the lamb and of the angels.

In order to fulfill your mistaken prophecy and teaching of Scripture.

They cannot be ascended with smoke of torment into the air, in the presence of the returning Lord and His armies of angels, because it will be forever and ever. This earth and air has an ending.

The smoke of their torment will be in the presence of God and His angels forever after the GWT judgment and being cast into the LOF.

And the only people cast alive into it are the beast and false prophet. They are not God's two witnesses according to God's own testimony.

What takes place in Jerusalem on that day that causes the great earthquake and the cloud to rise from Jerusalem high into the heaven is an object that resembles a lake of fire ,with smoke and brimstone.

Now you've gone over to symbolization of what ought not be symbolized, because it is not symbology of God.

So I won't feel sorry for these two christians one bit because they spend their time tormenting men women and children in the name of Jesus.I believe they should receive torment just as they have tormented others .

I totally agree, which is any such beast and false apostle and false prophet of Christ, especially the last two before His return. They are the ones cast alive into the LOF after having killed the two witnesses of God on the streets of Jerusalem.

Once again, God never calls false apostles and prophets 'His witnesses', but only His enemies of the cross of Jesus and His gospel:

(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Everything you say is true pertaining to the last antichrist beast and false prophet on earth. Except for being resurrected from the dead on earth again, and then ascending hither with clouds into the air at the word and calling of God.

The command of the Lord will be for all resurrected saints on earth to meet with Him in the air. 1 Thess 4 is fulfilled in Rev 11.

Revelation 11:10
And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.


At no time,has Jesus ever commanded his prophets who come in his name to torment other people.

And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. (Acts 7)

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. (1 John)

The truth torments the unrepentant wicked. It is their unwillingness to repent that torments them. Christian ministers do not physically torment people, but only false witnesses of inquisition infamy.

Jesus commanded his prophets to be harmless.

Many harmless prophets and apostles and ministers of God, such as Steven become faithful martyrs like Antipas, because they cut to heart and tormented the wicked with the truth of God's word and living it righteously.

It's as old as Cain talking with and then slaying his brother righteous Abel.

Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

God reveals the hearts of the people that rejoice of the death of His two witnesses. They were cut to heart and tormented by their ministry of truth.

God is not saying in Rev 11 His two witnesses were harmfully tormenting people. That is your own obvious misreading to support your mistaken prophecy about them.

The only reason why I can see is to be really really unique. I give you full credit for coming up with that one, that I have never heard before.

Being unique and contrary to tradition is not wrong in itself, but it is when many verses of Scripture must be changed in meaning to do so.

Mathew 5
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.




Jesus never commanded his prophets to go out and kill and torment people.

True. God's witnesses are not called and sent to do so.

He commanded them to be perfect and he set an example for us to follow.He commanded his prophets to preach the gospel.

True, which torments and cuts the hearts of the rebellious, as Abel's testimony did with Cain.

Mathew 10
40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

These two prophets of Jesus have done everything Jesus commanded not to do

They will do everything God's witnesses do with power of His prophets of old.

Your mind of mistaken prophecy has them do the opposite, and are to be allies of the beast and false prophet, if not being the beast and false prophet themselves.

Unique, but not true.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

There's nothing opposite to Jesus' gospel in Rev 11, except killing His two witnesses and rejoicing over their dead bodies.




And so we see how more and more Scripture must be read wrong, in order to support a false prophecy of Scripture.


And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

1. The two witnesses are resurrected from the dead to stand upon the earth alive again. None of the wicked dead are resurrected on the earth, but only to be judged at the GWT after the earth is passed away.
2.The two witnesses ascend with clouds. Only Jesus and His resurrected saints ascend with clouds.
3. God does not call up the wicked to come up where He is.
4. God does not give power of prophets to the wicked, but Satan can give power to imitate God's prophets and witnesses, even as the magicians of Egypt. The dragon will do the same for his last false prophet on earth.



In order to fulfill your mistaken prophecy and teaching of Scripture.

They cannot be ascended with smoke of torment into the air, in the presence of the returning Lord and His armies of angels, because it will be forever and ever. This earth and air has an ending.

The smoke of their torment will be in the presence of God and His angels forever after the GWT judgment and being cast into the LOF.

And the only people cast alive into it are the beast and false prophet. They are not God's two witnesses according to God's own testimony.


Now you've gone over to symbolization of what ought not be symbolized, because it is not symbology of God.


I totally agree, which is any such beast and false apostle and false prophet of Christ, especially the last two before His return. They are the ones cast alive into the LOF after having killed the two witnesses of God on the streets of Jerusalem.

Once again, God never calls false apostles and prophets 'His witnesses', but only His enemies of the cross of Jesus and His gospel:

(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Everything you say is true pertaining to the last antichrist beast and false prophet on earth. Except for being resurrected from the dead on earth again, and then ascending hither with clouds into the air at the word and calling of God.

The command of the Lord will be for all resurrected saints on earth to meet with Him in the air. 1 Thess 4 is fulfilled in Rev 11.



And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. (Acts 7)

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. (1 John)

The truth torments the unrepentant wicked. It is their unwillingness to repent that torments them. Christian ministers do not physically torment people, but only false witnesses of inquisition infamy.




Many harmless prophets and apostles and ministers of God, such as Steven become faithful martyrs like Antipas, because they cut to heart and tormented the wicked with the truth of God's word and living it righteously.

It's as old as Cain talking with and then slaying his brother righteous Abel.

Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

God reveals the hearts of the people that rejoice of the death of His two witnesses. They were cut to heart and tormented by their ministry of truth.

God is not saying in Rev 11 His two witnesses were harmfully tormenting people. That is your own obvious misreading to support your mistaken prophecy about them.

The only reason why I can see is to be really really unique. I give you full credit for coming up with that one, that I have never heard before.

Being unique and contrary to tradition is not wrong in itself, but it is when many verses of Scripture must be changed in meaning to do so.


True. God's witnesses are not called and sent to do so.


True, which torments and cuts the hearts of the rebellious, as Abel's testimony did with Cain.


They will do everything God's witnesses do with power of His prophets of old.

Your mind of mistaken prophecy has them do the opposite, and are to be allies of the beast and false prophet, if not being the beast and false prophet themselves.

Unique, but not true.

So you believe it is God's will that we as witnesses of Jesus should kill and torment other people in Jesus name as we please?

Can you provide any gospel that Instructs us as witnesses of our Lord to kill and torment other people?

These two witnesses believe they have the right to sin as they wish.

 

[RBDERRICK]

Let's put an end to this very unique, but obviously false interpretation of prophecy, about God's two witnesses in Rev 11.

There was a time when I thought the two witnesses of Jesus were raptured too.But I couldn't understand why they do the exact opposite of everything Jesus commands his witnesses in the gospel.
And the more I learned about what takes place in Jerusalem on the day they ascend into heaven in that cloud that I realized what was actually happening to them.Yes they are ascending into heaven in a cloud that rises from Jerusalem into the sky to be in the presence of the lamb who is in the clouds.

Revelation 14:9-11
A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand,
they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.
And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”
I've learned,in order to fulfill scripture they must be alive and they must be in the presence of the lamb and of the angels.

What takes place in Jerusalem on that day that causes the great earthquake and the cloud to rise from Jerusalem high into the heaven is an object that resembles a lake of fire ,with smoke and brimstone.

So I won't feel sorry for these two christians one bit because they spend their time tormenting men women and children in the name of Jesus.I believe they should receive torment just as they have tormented others .

Revelation 11:10
And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.


At no time,has Jesus ever commanded his prophets who come in his name to torment other people.Jesus commanded his prophets to be harmless.


Mathew 5
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.




Jesus never commanded his prophets to go out and kill and torment people.He commanded them to be perfect and he set an example for us to follow.He commanded his prophets to preach the gospel.

Mathew 10
40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

These two prophets of Jesus have done everything Jesus commanded not to do

And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

The Spirit of God enters into His two dead witnesses, to resurrect and make them alive again on earth.

This is not a resurrection of any wicked dead with smoke of torment.

Speaking of God's witnesses not sent to torment people. That would be a real accusation against God's Spirit of life tormenting people, by entering into them.

 

[RBDERRICK]

So you believe it is God's will that we as witnesses of Jesus should kill and torment other people in Jesus name as we please?

Your false interpretation of prophecy does not mean you can then teach by it. And try to correct anyone with it.

Can you provide any gospel that Instructs us as witnesses of our Lord to kill and torment other people?

The only gospel prophecy I see here, is one of accusing God's witnesses of doing so.

And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

The Spirit of God enters into His two dead witnesses, to resurrect and make them alive again on earth.

This is not a resurrection of any wicked dead with smoke of torment.

Your prophecy is proven false. God's Spirit of life does not enter into any man to resurrect them with torment.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Let's put an end to this very unique, but obviously false interpretation of prophecy, about God's two witnesses in Rev 11.



And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

The Spirit of God enters into His two dead witnesses, to resurrect and make them alive again on earth.

This is not a resurrection of any wicked dead with smoke of torment.

Speaking of God's witnesses not sent to torment people. That would be a real accusation against God's Spirit of life tormenting people, by entering into them.

God did not send they to kill and torment others.

They do that because that is what is in their hearts.
These two witnesses who kill and torment other people in Jesus name ate resurected to everlasting torment and they deserve it because that is what they chose to do with their lives.
They could have preached the gospel but insted they starved men women and children ,killed people ,and tormented others.

It's no wonder they were believed to be dajalls army because they do everything the Hadith says they would do.Muslims will celebrate their deaths.

 

[RBDERRICK]

So... you have no answer.
Oh well.

Not for you apparently.
Oh well.

 

[RBDERRICK]

You seemed to have missed the biggest point.

The beast and ten horns that attacks and kills the two witnesses hate the prostitute before they attack and kill the two witnesses.

There's nothing in Revelation saying the beast hates the whore before killing the two witnesses.

Doctrinally it is after God's witnesses cease, that the nation is turned into hell.

She is spiritually Sodom and Egypt during their witnessing. She will be openly Sodom and Egypt after. That is when that man of sin fully appears as he truly is, after the church is taken out of the way into the air.

They hate her today and the two witnesses have not even arrived in Jerusalem yet.

If the beast is now ascended out of the bottomless pit, who is it and how is it proven by Scripture.

I see no final false apostle of Christ proselytizing world-wide from Jerusalem.

The point you seem to miss is that the prostitute and two witnesses reign over those ten nations together.

Your continued failure to acknowledge the fact God says they are His two witnesses, proves your error and refusal to be corrected.

They are lovers .The prostitute only kills the prophets and saints that are preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.

True. Like God's two witnesses lying dead in the streets.

They are the two olive trees and candlesticks standing before God, and false prophets do not prophecy in sackcloth but in gay clothing.

That's why she would never hurt the two witnesses who kill and torment others for her.

They can't hurt them, because of the fire out of their mouths.

Many of the city will try to do them hurt, until the beast rises to kill them, when they have finished their testimony of God.

The beast finishes what they tried but failed to do.

Her enemies will kill her lovers thou.Then she will have no one to protect her.She will stand defenseless.

As Jerusalem of old, when her lovers failed her, after they killed her own prophets sent from God. Like His last two witnesses in Jerusalem at the Lord's return.

 

[RBDERRICK]

God did not send they to kill and torment others.

They do that because that is what is in their hearts.
These two witnesses who kill and torment other people in Jesus name ate resurected to everlasting torment and they deserve it because that is what they chose to do with their lives.
They could have preached the gospel but insted they starved men women and children ,killed people ,and tormented others.

It's no wonder they were believed to be dajalls army because they do everything the Hadith says they would do.Muslims will celebrate their deaths.

The corrections have been made for your prophecy, along with the single Scripture proving it false.

You ignore it, because you only care for your own imagination.

The Spirit of life from God enters into them to resurrect them on earth, and then they are called by God to ascend with clouds whither He is.

The Spirit of life of God does not enter into the wicked dead, to resurrect them on earth, and then call them to meet Him in the air.

This earth will pass before the resurrection and judgment of the wicked.

You can continue with your own imagination, but at this point, there is nothing more to debate. I don't go on endlessly arguing with someone that avoids plain proof of Scripture.

As I said, it is unique, but also uniquely false and accusing of God's last two witnesses in Jerusalem.

You also accuse other Christians of approving God's ministers tormenting and killing others, by not agreeing with you.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

There's nothing in Revelation saying the beast hates the whore before killing the two witnesses.

Doctrinally it is after God's witnesses cease, that the nation is turned into hell.

She is spiritually Sodom and Egypt during their witnessing. She will be openly Sodom and Egypt after. That is when that man of sin fully appears as he truly is, after the church is taken out of the way into the air.


If the beast is now ascended out of the bottomless pit, who is it and how is it proven by Scripture.

I see no final false apostle of Christ proselytizing world-wide from Jerusalem.


Your continued failure to acknowledge the fact God says they are His two witnesses, proves your error and refusal to be corrected.


True. Like God's two witnesses lying dead in the streets.

They are the two olive trees and candlesticks standing before God, and false prophets do not prophecy in sackcloth but in gay clothing.




They can't hurt them, because of the fire out of their mouths.

Many of the city will try to do them hurt, until the beast rises to kill them, when they have finished their testimony of God.

The beast finishes what they tried but failed to do.


As Jerusalem of old, when her lovers failed her, after they killed her own prophets sent from God. Like His last two witnesses in Jerusalem at the Lord's return.

The beast that ascends out of the bottomless Pit already hates the prostitute.

Scripture already says who will destroy Babylon and if you believed it ,you would agree they definitely hate the prostitute.

Jeremiah 51
Sharpen the arrows, take up the shields! The LORD has stirred up the kings of the Medes, because his purpose is to destroy Babylon. The LORD will take vengeance, vengeance for his temple.


Babylon=appostate Israel
The temple=the body of Christ
The Medes=Iran


Muslims are instructed in the Hadith to attack Dajalls army after the third year of the great drought.But you don't understand who the two witnesses are so it's pointless to try to get you to understand any of this.

 

[RBDERRICK]

The beast that ascends out of the bottomless Pit already hates the prostitute.

Not while he's letting her take him for a ride.

Scripture already says who will destroy Babylon and if you believed it ,you would agree they definitely hate the prostitute.
Jeremiah 51
Sharpen the arrows, take up the shields! The LORD has stirred up the kings of the Medes, because his purpose is to destroy Babylon. The LORD will take vengeance, vengeance for his temple.

Cyrus of the Medes defeating Babylon is a well known fulfillment of prophecy.

It has nothing to do with that great city Jerusalem named Babylon the great.

Babylon=appostate Israel

True.

The temple=the body of Christ

True.

The Medes=Iran

True in Cyrus' days.

Muslims are instructed in the Hadith to attack Dajalls army after the third year of the great drought.But you don't understand who the two witnesses are so it's pointless to try to get you to understand any of this.

Now that you show you believe the Koran as truth of prophecy, then you're right.

No wonder you teach God's witnesses are false.

The Loran also says that the Son of God is a blasphemy.