If you have a vision your opinion could change .
So you think the "last days" are past or yet to come ?
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A commentary on the Book of Revelation - Part 1
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IF.....I have a vision I am pretty sure I missed taking my medication OR.....I took them twice!!!!
I have had a vision, and God spoke to me and said are excuses for not reading and studying the Bible. God DID use visions and dreams to give out His word of directions but not today.
Hebrews 1:1-3...........
"In the past God spoke to our people through the prophets. He spoke to them many times and in many different ways. 2 And now in these last days, God has spoken to us again through his Son. He made the whole world through his Son. And he has chosen his Son to have all things. 3 The Son shows the glory of God."
The "last Days" is a technical term. Those days began with the resurrection of Jesus. We now live in the Church Age and IMHO are real close to the return of Christ. If you want to call them the Last Days I would certainly agree.
For the Last Days to be in the past I would have to be a Preterist and that is not Biblical!
Honestly brother, one of the reasons the church is in such a terrible condition is the false preachers who claim to have has a "vision" or that God spoke to "ME"! Then then recall some outlandish story to get money from those who are gullible to believe them.
What is stated must be found in the Bible because visions and dreams or, God told me are un-acceptable because they are open to speculations and opinions.
However......that is just me.
Could it be since we are in the last days that the time for the visions and dreams has started long ago . For me personally the last @10 years .
I agree :yes .
Dreams and visions from God have always been open to speculation and opinion . Test the spirits , we must .
Sure .
The vision I had was black letters on painting where no letters had ever been the painting had been hanging in my house for decades , nothing flashy , subtle .
The other people in the room did not see the letters .
IMHO......a vision and dreams are "yours". They have come from your mind and that is what they are good for.
Again, that is a personal opinion and is not to be taken as a factual comment.
A vision can also come from low blood sugar.
After I saw my vision of the letters I had no understanding of what their meaning was until a few years later another brother told me about his dream .
This brother was laughing about his dream because he did not think God would send him a dream . As he told me of his dream I knew within the first two sentences of him telling me his dream was from God .
His dream had the letters and most of the same elements as my vision , with his dream and my vision I now knew how a future event would finish , it finished the way the dream had told .
You are correct. This is not happening any more
My Father hopefully yours also.
The One rules all. Nothing has authority over it.
It is the God.
It is Father of everything,
Holy One
The invisible one over everything.
It is uncontaminated
Pure light no eye can bear to look within.
The One is the Invisible Spirit.
It is not right to think of it as a God or as like God.
It is more than just God.
Nothing is above it.
Nothing rules it.
Since everything exists within it
It does not exist within anything.
Since it is not dependent on anything
It is eternal.
It is absolutely complete and so needs nothing.
It is utterly perfect
Light.
The One is without boundaries
Nothing exists outside of it to border it
The One cannot be investigated
Nothing exists apart from it to investigate it
The One cannot be measured
Nothing exists external to it to measure it
The One cannot be seen
For no one can envision it
The One is eternal
For it exists forever
The One is inconceivable
For no one can comprehend it
The One is indescribable
For no one can put any words to it.
The One is infinite light
Purity
Holiness
Stainless,
The One is incomprehensible
Perfectly free from corruption.
Not “perfect”
Not “blessed”
Not “divine”
But superior to such concepts.
Neither physical nor unphysical
Neither immense nor infinitesimal
It is impossible to specify in quantity or quality
For it is beyond knowledge.
The One is not a being among other beings
It is vastly superior
But it is not “superior.”
It is outside of realms of being and time
For whatever is within realms of being was created
And whatever is within time had time allotted to it
The One receives nothing from anything.
It simply apprehends itself in its own perfect light
The One is majestic.
The One is measureless majesty
Chief of all Realms
Producing all realms
Light
Producing light
Life
Producing life
Blessedness
Producing blessedness
Knowledge
Producing knowledge
Good
Producing goodness
Mercy
Producing mercy
Generous
Producing generosity
[It does not “possess” these things.]
It gives forth light beyond measure, beyond comprehension.
[What can I say?]
His realm is eternal, peaceful, silent, resting, before everything.
He is the head of every realm sustaining each of them through goodness.
A lot of words that only says what every other believer in the Lord Jjesus Christ knows.
Now then......do YOU believe that Jesus is God?
Do you believe the Jesus Christ is co-equal and co-eternal to the Father?
Now.....Please do not post another long line of words. This is a simple Yes or No answer.
Thank you! We are in agreement.
It seems to me that in these days we now live, a lot of well meaning people are feeling the need to tell others about their "experiences" with God.
They have NO idea what the Scriptures say because they do not read the Bible but they insist on believing that their "dreams and visions" come from God. The truth however is illusive to them and they do not realize that those ideas and dreams just may be coming from Satan.
I must be carful here as you are a brother and a moderator and I do not want to offend you in any way.
I would however say to you that if you can not find that vision in the Word of God, then consider it as a reaction to some food that you ate or from watching a Stephen King movie.
You see, our mind can play tricks on us and lead us into all kinds of problems. That is why we are saved from the "Inside Out" from the MIND 1st.
Yes, I know what we hear.....it is from the heart that comes our faith but the truth us that the HEART is part of the MIND.
Romans 12:2 is to be considered............
"Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect."
I think that after you pray about this you will agree with me that As believers, we are no longer conformed to this world because we no longer belong to the spirit of this age. We have been translated from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of God’s beloved Son (Colossians 1:13). Therefore, rather than continuing to conform to this world, we are to be transformed by having our minds renewed.
You see my brother, it is The mind that is the key to the Christian life. The reason why non-Christians do not respond to Christian truth is that they cannot discern spiritual truth. To them the gospel is alien and non-sense. The gospel is a call for the unbeliever to repent of his sin and embrace Christ by faith. The Greek word translated “repentance” carries the notion of a change of mind.
To be saved then, our thinking must be changed (transformed) from old, ungodly ways of thinking into new, godly ways of thinking. What we know in our minds to be true forms a conviction in our hearts of that truth, and that conviction in our hearts translates into action. Therefore, we must first renew our minds.
Good to talk and share the Word of God with you!
That is good policy to follow with all correspondence with anyone on this site and many others as well
.Let us cut to the chase here , I believe ALL the gifts of the Holy Spirit , including signs gifts , are still in operation today just as they have been since the initial outpouring at Pentecost . I don't have any choice in the matter .
I was given the gift of speaking in tongues as the Holy Spirit gives the utterance at the same time when I was born again . Was that ever a surprise , praise God !
So I did not see the hand write the letters on the painting but non the less I did see the letters .
They were not English letters I saw .
As I said.....I do not mean to offend but I am a Cessationist as that is what I read in 1 Corth. 13:8-10.That is good policy to follow with all correspondence with anyone on this site and many others as well
Let us cut to the chase here , I believe ALL the gifts of the Holy Spirit , including signs gifts , are still in operation today just as they have been since the initial outpouring at Pentecost . I don't have any choice in the matter .
I was given the gift of speaking in tongues as the Holy Spirit gives the utterance at the same time when I was born again . Was that ever a surprise , praise God !
So I did not see the hand write the letters on the painting but non the less I did see the letters .
They were not English letters I saw .
In around 1955 when I was saved as a teenager, the church I was in then told me that I had to attend the classes to learn how to speak in tongues.
A few years later when I actually read the Scriptures I learned that tongues and healing, handling vipers and the sign gifts were given by Jesus to us ELEVEN disciples in Mark 16.
Then in Seminary that fact was shown to me and I realized that a "Gift" from God is not someething we go to a class to learn. It was then that I learned about the Continuasim and Cessationalism.
I would not argue with anyone over it. If that is what you think God is saying to you, who am I to disagree.
I would only ask that why anyone only accept tongues when the Sign gifts was a package gift. The ELEVEN had ALL the gifts and not just one.
Then, the only Scripture of any of the disciples speaking in tongues is Paul in !st Corth. 14 and the word he uses there is "Dialectus which is LANGUAGES". Paul was an educated man and spoke in several languages which is NOT what the tongues spoken today are.
Now.........do you believe that speaking in tongues is the evidence of being saved????That is good policy to follow with all correspondence with anyone on this site and many others as well
Let us cut to the chase here , I believe ALL the gifts of the Holy Spirit , including signs gifts , are still in operation today just as they have been since the initial outpouring at Pentecost . I don't have any choice in the matter .
I was given the gift of speaking in tongues as the Holy Spirit gives the utterance at the same time when I was born again . Was that ever a surprise , praise God !
So I did not see the hand write the letters on the painting but non the less I did see the letters .
They were not English letters I saw .
Second, When Charles Parham, the original man who started the tongues movement, sent people on the mission field to forigein countries, he did not train them to speak the languages of the country they went to. Parham believed that the gift of tongues involved speaking in actual human languages and would be a necessary tool for carrying out missions activity so learning the language was not necessary. Those missions failed......Horribly.
What is your position on that historical fact.
Discernment , another gift of the Holy Spirit .
Crazy stuff , my aunt's Episcopal church had classes too . No classes needed
.Praise God ! "Them that believe , that's me and you Roger !
Mark 16
| 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; |
| 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. |
Thinking and knowing are two entirely different things .
The Gifts are as given as the Holy Spirit decides . I have more than one Gift of the Holy Spirit .
At the very beginning we are told of about a 120 speaking in tongues including all the disciples in Acts chapter 1 and 2 .
| 13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. |
| 14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren. |
| 15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,) |
I speak more than one language but that is not the same as the Holy Spirit taking the utterance and speaking in tongues . In my tongue language I hear a couple of words I know , Eli and Allah .
Does everyone that is saved have to speak in tongues , NO .
Charles Parham's understanding was lacking and you know what the Bible said about that .
There are 3 with what I posted. Father, Holy Spirit, and the only begot Son. All 3 are more then a God. They are the same.
You refused to answer my very simple question so then the only recourse is to accept the answer of, YOU do not accept Jesus as God in the flesh.
Absolultly I know. However I wanted to know what "your" understanding was.
He was the original founder and actually used a woman who he said understood Chianese which was a proven lie.
One of the tools of all Charismatic Pentecostals in witnessing is to ask this question..........
"Are you born again with the evidence of speaking in tongues"?
The question itself says that if you are a Christian you will speak in thongues.
Brother, I know that because that is exactly what I was taught 60 years ago!!!!
My dear brother......I have no desire to argue. I will discuss but I will not argue.Discernment , another gift of the Holy Spirit .
Crazy stuff , my aunt's Episcopal church had classes too . No classes needed
Praise God ! "Them that believe , that's me and you Roger !
Mark 16
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Thinking and knowing are two entirely different things .
The Gifts are as given as the Holy Spirit decides . I have more than one Gift of the Holy Spirit .
At the very beginning we are told of about a 120 speaking in tongues including all the disciples in Acts chapter 1 and 2 .
13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. 14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren. 15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)
I speak more than one language but that is not the same as the Holy Spirit taking the utterance and speaking in tongues . In my tongue language I hear a couple of words I know , Eli and Allah .
Now when you read the entire chapter of the 120 in Acts 1 & 2, CONTEXTUALLY what you see is that there was NO speaking in tongues.
Acts 2:11..........
“We hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”
The Greek word translated here is “tongues” literally means “languages.”
Now, in the churches I have visited in over the last 50 years......NO ONE ever translates what is uttered by those speaking in noises that can not be understood.
My comment then is this. What we see today taking place in churches where some people speak "utterances" is not what is described in the Scriptures.
I did answer yes, but you didn't understand that answer. No one comes to the Father except by Christ.