"After the counsel of His own Will" !

[Eventide]

Why do you couple posts on here not take a break & rest until some sense can at least be posted?? You go back & forth for days & nothing comes back CLEAR. Some come across (?) as if God does not know 'His own will' until you decide for Him! (Eze. 18:23 + 32 + Eze. 33:9 + verse 11 + verse 19)

And then canned robots are seen! ('brain 'DEAD, that are pre/programed?) Which 'some' do make it truely kind of hard to argue against that concept seeing that their 'posts' are wound up like a toy & then are seen unwinding as we go, except by ones understanding that this is as satans 'babbling' stuff by many posts??:robot

--Elijah

So what are you saying Elijah.. I never can tell what you're talking about.. can't you speak plainly.. ?

Why is this addressed to me ?

I'm genuinely interested in how people think and what they have to say.. that doesn't mandate that we must agree with each other although it's still very useful for me to hear what others are saying..

All your posts come across as if you're the 'rightful' judge and all else is Satans garbage.. where does that mind come from Elijah.. are you perfect and without sin..? Are your thoughts always right and beyond reproof ?

You're no different than anyone else.. so why do you come across as if you are ?

 

[Who Says]

Why do you couple posts on here not take a break & rest until some sense can at least be posted?? You go back & forth for days & nothing comes back CLEAR. Some come across (?) as if God does not know 'His own will' until you decide for Him! (Eze. 18:23 + 32 + Eze. 33:9 + verse 11 + verse 19)

And then canned robots are seen! ('brain 'DEAD, that are pre/programed?) Which 'some' do make it truely kind of hard to argue against that concept seeing that their 'posts' are wound up like a toy & then are seen unwinding as we go, except by ones understanding that this is as satans 'babbling' stuff by many posts??:robot

--Elijah

Sorry if my imperfect efforts to be sure that I have expressed myself clearly end up offending a few.

I am but a man, please forgive me.

 

[Eventide]

Sorry if my imperfect efforts to be sure that I have expressed myself clearly end up offending a few.

I am but a man, please forgive me.

I agree... what's the problem ? Where does Elijah's post come from as if it's not ok on this forum to discuss these things ?

None of us are perfect in our understanding... that's why we are talking about these things.. to share perspectives.

 

[Who Says]

I think that I understand what you're saying, although you said that 'you guys' are dishonoring God and that people are afraid to lose people in their congregation...and that this is the cold hard truth ? ? ?

How does that work..

Where have I dishonored God ?

Where have I stated that is not in accordance with biblical principles ?

Some of us are not far away from presenting the subject in a way that does not give the world a mistaken belief of what we are saying but for the use of the word "free-will" which they have been previously conditioned to seeing as meaning that God gave us the right to choose to sin knowing we would do so.

So you may not have much to change other than the pronunciation of a simple word.

But think about the many responses on here that go wildly outside of what you believe about it. If by the simple change of a word you use you can better convey that you do not support those wilder beliefs then why not not change the word you use?

And if you are a pastor why not help your flock to change the word they use to one that better reflects to those in the world what you actually believe? That would be the loving thing to do would it not?

 

[Eventide]

Some of us are not far away from presenting the subject in a way that does not give the world a mistaken belief of what we are saying but for the use of the word "free-will" which they have been previously conditioned to seeing as meaning that God gave us the right to choose to sin knowing we would do so.

I have never once in my Christian experience understood free will to mean that God is giving us a 'right' to sin..

So you may not have much to change other than the pronunciation of a simple word.

No idea what you're saying here Who Says.. and I have no idea how you equate that to being dishonoring to God or that people are afraid of losing people in their congregation..? Isn't that what you said ?

But think about the many responses on here that go wildly outside of what you believe about it. If by the simple change of a word you use you can better convey that you do not support those wilder beliefs then why not not change the word you use?

I have no problem with other people having a different 'idea' of what things mean. If we all simply said the same thing all the time and didn't have differences of opinion then we probably wouldn't be here discussing these things.

 

[Who Says]

I have no problem with other people having a different 'idea' of what things mean. If we all simply said the same thing all the time and didn't have differences of opinion then we probably wouldn't be here discussing these things.

Then your attitude toward the unbeliever differs from Paul's.

That is why you cannot understand.

Go back to my posts about Paul a page or so back and read them again. Then undertake a study of Paul's letters looking for what I talked about.

What it will take is for you to look a chapter ahead of and behind everything you look at and have developed a former belief about as to what he was saying. Throw your beliefs about a partucular passage temporarily aside (the thing fear keeps people from doing) and force yourself to pull the points he makes in everything he says a chapter ahead and behind the particular passage along with the local chapter context.

Until one has done that it is impossible for them to understand what Paul has said in one isolated passage.

 

[Eventide]

Then your attitude toward the unbeliever differs from Paul's.

That is why you cannot understand.

Well, please clarify... how does my attitude toward an unbeliever differ from Paul's ?

Seriously, you can't just make these blanket statements without giving pertinent examples from scripture.

Go back to my posts about Paul a page or so back and read them again. Then undertake a study of Paul's letters looking for what I talked about.

I have read Paul's letters many times and I always enjoy gleaning truth from what he has written under the inspiration of God. I'll be the last to admit that I have perfect understanding of everything that he writes because it's the living and powerful word of God..

You have come to some conclusions as to what Paul writes and that's wonderful.. sharing that perspective is helpful for all of us regardless of the fact that not all may agree with what your conclusion on the matter happens to be.

What it will take is for you to look a chapter ahead of and behind everything you look at and have developed a former belief about as to what he was saying. Throw your beliefs about a partucular passage temporarily aside (the thing fear keeps people from doing) and force yourself to pull the points he makes in everything he says a chapter ahead and behind the particular passage along with the local chapter context.

Until one has done that it is impossible for them to understand what Paul has said in one isolated passage.

We could read the holy scriptures for a lifetime and still not scratch the surface of all that is within the living and powerful word of God.. some things are simple, some are infinitely complex, and Peter reminds us that some of Paul's writings are 'hard to be understood' and that men can distort them to their own destruction..

Do you think that you know everything there is to know about his writings or are you willing to believe that you might have come to some incorrect conclusions..?

I certainly will be the first to admit that I share an opinion of what all his writings mean in the grand scheme of things.. and that what I happen to believe at the moment is far less than all that they have to share in a living and powerful way.

What I'm saying is that I'm open to what you're opinion is on these things and am genuinely interested in hearing what you have to say.. even if I don't agree.. it's still building and edifying imo...

 

[Who Says]

Well, please clarify... how does my attitude toward an unbeliever differ from Paul's ?

Seriously, you can't just make these blanket statements without giving pertinent examples from scripture.



I have read Paul's letters many times and I always enjoy gleaning truth from what he has written under the inspiration of God. I'll be the last to admit that I have perfect understanding of everything that he writes because it's the living and powerful word of God..

You have come to some conclusions as to what Paul writes and that's wonderful.. sharing that perspective is helpful for all of us regardless of the fact that not all may agree with what your conclusion on the matter happens to be.



We could read the holy scriptures for a lifetime and still not scratch the surface of all that is within the living and powerful word of God.. some things are simple, some are infinitely complex, and Peter reminds us that some of Paul's writings are 'hard to be understood' and that men can distort them to their own destruction..

Do you think that you know everything there is to know about his writings or are you willing to believe that you might have come to some incorrect conclusions..?

I certainly will be the first to admit that I share an opinion of what all his writings mean in the grand scheme of things.. and that what I happen to believe at the moment is far less than all that they have to share in a living and powerful way.

What I'm saying is that I'm open to what you're opinion is on these things and am genuinely interested in hearing what you have to say.. even if I don't agree.. it's still building and edifying imo...

You are being redundant. Saying the same things over and over. Not carring at all to do as I suggest. Therefore our conversing is not really conversing at all.

May God bless you to understand. :waving

 

[Eventide]

You are being redundant. Saying the same things over and over. Not carring at all to do as I suggest. Therefore our conversing is not really conversing at all.

May God bless you to understand. :waving

Who Says,

I 'really' don't understand...

I don't understand.. how a Christian can make statements such as you have toward other Christians and then not substantiate those statements, but just sum it up in.. 'May God bless you to understand'..

You have stated that 'you guys' are dishonoring to God.. that they might be afraid of losing members of their congregation.. and that my attitude toward an unbeliever differs from that of Paul's..

Without supporting any of it.. and then hope that I 'might' understand..

I really don't understand THAT.

I thought that I understood what you were saying in that God never intended for us to 'sin' and I wholeheartedly would agree with that.. that this isn't within His will.. and yet in Adam's case it's 100% failure rate, for there are none righteous..

IMO it only proves that God created man with a capacity to freely choose.. because God commanded him to not eat from the tree and yet he did in disobedience to God, and I firmly believe that this is a picture of every man in Adam and that's why I think that He is that true light who lighteth every MAN that comes into the world.. because He is still calling Adam back to repentance and trust in Him in a living and powerful way right here, right now.

To me that's the most infinitely loving and beautiful story which is beyond my widest imagination... and every single one who does believe the gospel and trust in His precious shed blood.. will WILLINGLY lay down their life for HIS..

 

[Who Says]

Who Says,

I 'really' don't understand...

I don't understand.. how a Christian can make statements such as you have toward other Christians and then not substantiate those statements, but just sum it up in.. 'May God bless you to understand'..

You have stated that 'you guys' are dishonoring to God.. that they might be afraid of losing members of their congregation.. and that my attitude toward an unbeliever differs from that of Paul's..

Without supporting any of it.. and then hope that I 'might' understand..

I really don't understand THAT.

I thought that I understood what you were saying in that God never intended for us to 'sin' and I wholeheartedly would agree with that.. that this isn't within His will.. and yet in Adam's case it's 100% failure rate, for there are none righteous..

IMO it only proves that God created man with a capacity to freely choose.. because God commanded him to not eat from the tree and yet he did in disobedience to God, and I firmly believe that this is a picture of every man in Adam and that's why I think that He is that true light who lighteth every MAN that comes into the world.. because He is still calling Adam back to repentance and trust in Him in a living and powerful way right here, right now.

To me that's the most infinitely loving and beautiful story which is beyond my widest imagination... and every single one who does believe the gospel and trust in His precious shed blood.. will WILLINGLY lay down their life for HIS..

The truth no matter how gently or eloquently spoken has always felt abrasive to some. That is why Jesus and the apostles were all so visciously opposed and persecuted. None of those doing it understood, either. That was why Stephen prayed that the sin by those stoning him not be held a gainst them.

I know you might not be able to see it, but I would never tell you or anyone anything just to be right or just to disagree with them. I speak what I know is necessary for me to speak for loves sake. And because of that I often share in receiving the kind of opposings that Jesus and his disciples encoutered.

I have had men get their face right in mine nose to nose threatening to take my life. At first that was tough to handle but through many years of standing firm it became easier and easier. Never pleasant to experience but easier.

So I do very much appreciate your attitude. Even I am yet working on the love Paul championed which he learned through Jesus. So do not let yourself be offended.

 

[Eventide]

The truth no matter how gently or eloquently spoken has always felt abrasive to some. That is why Jesus and the apostles were all so visciously opposed and persecuted. None of those doing it understood, either. That was why Stephen prayed that the sin by those stoning him not be held a gainst them.

I know you might not be able to see it, but I would never tell you or anyone anything just to be right or just to disagree with them. I speak what I know is necessary for me to spek foe loves sake. And because of that I often share in receiving the kind of opposings that Jesus and his disciples encoutered.

I have had men get their face right in mine nose to nose threatening to take my life. At first that was tough to handle but through many years of standing firm it became easier and easier. Never pleasant to experience but easier.

So I do very much appreciate your attitude. Even I am yet working on the love Paul championed which he learned through Jesus. So do not let yourself be offended.

Who Says,

So what I hear you saying is that;

You have the absolute truth which can't be wrong.. and that I'm unable to understand regardless of how you're saying it..

Is that correct ?

 

[Who Says]

Who Says,

So what I hear you saying is that;

You have the absolute truth which can't be wrong.. and that I'm unable to understand regardless of how you're saying it..

Is that correct ?

I have a definite connection with the Holy Spirit that is so powerful toward me, I cannot doubt it. When I speak in speculation about things or aspects of things it has not taught me you will know because I will always tell you so.

Romans 3:5 "But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)"

2 Corinthians 11:23 "Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft."

When I am speaking by Spirit you will see it how you will,

1 Peter 4:11 "If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."

 

[Eventide]

I have a definite connection with the Holy Spirit that is so powerful toward me, I cannot doubt it. When I speak in speculation about things or aspects of things it has not taught me you will know because I will always tell you so.

Who Says,

I appreciate strong conviction, although I still hear you saying that you have absolute truth in this matter and that it can't be understood by me regardless of how you may communicate it..

Is that correct ?

I want to make sure that's what I'm hearing you say.. because I can understand that if that's what you are in fact saying.. that you have the absolute truth and it can't be understood..

 

[Sam21]

Hi Who: Have you thought of just being simple and straight to the point? If you know something then just state it plainly.

 

[Who Says]

Hi Who: Have you thought of just being simple and straight to the point? If you know something then just state it plainly.

If I state it then it is because I know it.

And having stated it, ... it would behoove the hearer to take it seriously enough to thoroughly make certain whether what I have stated is of God by a serious look at the scriptures.

For, as I am ordained by God, when one does not care to search what I say out in the scriptures, and they reject the word I speak, when it is God's word I am speaking, they reject not my own word but God's, and that word judges them.

The friends of Korah are yet active undermining Moses to the people, even today. Many will not enter the promised land on their account.

 

[Alabaster]

I have a definite connection with the Holy Spirit that is so powerful toward me, I cannot doubt it. When I speak in speculation about things or aspects of things it has not taught me you will know because I will always tell you so.

Holy Spirit is a He.

You are one among many believers who He has a very intimate relationship with.

 

[Alabaster]

If I state it then it is because I know it.

And having stated it, ... it would behoove the hearer to take it seriously enough to thoroughly make certain whether what I have stated is of God by a serious look at the scriptures.

For, as I am ordained by God, when one does not care to search what I say out in the scriptures, and they reject the word I speak, when it is God's word I am speaking, they reject not my own word but God's, and that word judges them.

The friends of Korah are yet active undermining Moses to the people, even today. Many will not enter the promised land on their account.

What do you mean when you claim to be ordained of God? Are you a prophet of God, of Moses' caliber, also?

 

[Who Says]

Holy Spirit is a He.

You are one among many believers who He has a very intimate relationship with.

Then that is true for all of them that when they speak not their own word but Gd's word and we do not care to diligently check the scripture to confirm it it is God's word we reject and God's word that judges us. :yes

 

[Who Says]

What do you mean when you claim to be ordained of God? Are you a prophet of God, of Moses' caliber, also?

I have had God actually create dry paths for me to walk on through rain so heavy that it was as if water falls were but 5 feet away on both sides of me.

Care to call me a liar?

 

[jasoncran]

If that be true, then do not ever tell your children NO or deny them something that you know they do not realize will hurt them.

You would not want your children to be robots, would ya?

I know you guys are more capable of sound reasoning than that.

that isnt what you mean , one can murder , and its illegal but does that law actualy physically stop that act? NO IT doesnt. it merely provides punishement.

now then unless you can show me that God all the times stops these sins from happening. ie lies, rapes and murder. by the sinner and christian your point is moot. if i choose to break the laws of men or God theres consquences. But i choose to take that chance. THAT my friend is what i meant. God allows our actions. he punishes for our acts if violate that law. now then unless you can show me that he does stop acts by intervention in sin. your logic and point is moot.