Saved don’t mean salvation but redemption eph 2:8
??? This is a distinction without a difference. Redemption and salvation are bound up together in the same person: Jesus Christ. He is our Salvation; he is our Redeemer.
Acts 4:12
12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
1 John 5:11-13
11 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 Peter 1:18-19
18 ...you were redeemed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold,
19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.
Revelation 5:9-10
9 And they sang a new song, saying, You are worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for you were slain, and have redeemed us to God by your blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And have made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part. All mankind is redeemed.
Lk 2:11 Jn 1:29 rm 5:8 1 pet 1:21-23
Jesus is the Redeemer for all
who trust in him as their Savior and Lord. Those who don't trust in him stand under God's wrathful judgement at every moment. Christ's redeeming work on the cross is
available to all but it is not
applied to all. Those who refuse to repent of their sinful rebellion toward God and trust in Christ remain under God's terrible, eternal, holy wrath.
John 3:36
36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
Romans 10:9
9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
So, no, all mankind is NOT redeemed in any actual, literal sense, only potentially.
Luke 2:11
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
There's no statement in this verse that you cited in support of the idea that Christ has redeemed all of mankind. I'm not sure, then, why you cited it.
John 1:29
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
The perfection and divine infiniteness of Christ makes it possible for his atoning sacrifice as the Lamb of God to extend over all sin, but the effect of his atonement is not applied until the sinner, in repentance and faith, humbles himself under God's mighty hand, trusting in Christ as Lord and Savior. See above. This verse, though, doesn't say that Christ has
redeemed the
world.
1 Peter 1:18-23
18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold,
19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.
20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you
21 who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.
22 Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart,
23 since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;
This passage, too, that you offered says nothing about Christ having actually redeemed
all mankind. Again, why did you offer it in support of the notion that he had?
Salvation:
Is for those who are faithful and die in the grace of God united to Christ and in his saints at death enter into eternal salvation!
Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13
Nonsense. Nothing could be plainer in God's word than that a lost person is saved in the here-and-now, not (hopefully) at the Final Judgment.
1 John 5:11-13
11 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Not "
hope you have eternal life"; not
work really hard being faithful to God so that you
might be saved (if you managed to be faithful enough); not
I save myself, ultimately, by
my own faithfulness to God; just "whoever has the Son
has (not will have, possibly) life" and "you may know that you
have (not will have, possibly) eternal life."
2 Corinthians 13:5
5 Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you—unless indeed you fail the test?
How could Paul have indicated here that people could know they were "in the faith" which is to say, they were saved, if a person's salvation (by which they come to be "in the faith") will only be determined at the Final Judgment? Paul
must have believed that one is saved in the here-and-now, saved the moment one "confesses with their mouth the Lord Jesus Christ and believes in their heart that God has raised him from the dead." (
Romans 10:9-10)
Ephesians 2:4-5
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Here, Paul leaves no doubt that he believed a repentant sinner was saved, not at the Final Judgment, but at the moment of their trusting in Christ as Savior and confessing him as Lord. He wrote to the Ephesians, "...you have been saved" - a past accomplished fact - not "you will/might be saved."
1 Peter 2:9-10
9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
10 Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
In this passage, Peter weighs-in on the saved-right-now doctrine of salvation, declaring that his readers
were already a "chosen race," a "royal priesthood," a "holy nation," and "God's people" called out of darkness into His marvelous light. These were not things that were to
become true down the road in eternity (maybe) but were an already-established, spiritual reality for his born-again readers.
So, three of the most prominent figures in the Early Church agreed that a person
was saved in the present, not - possibly - at the Final Judgment (or whenever in the future). In particular, they believed that a person was saved in the present from the
power and
penalty of sin and finally, at the Second Coming of Christ, from the
presence of sin. This is why, at times, the writers of the New Testament wrote of a future salvation for the born-again, the final, full completion of their salvation when sin's presence will be eternally eradicated and they will don their resurrected, glorified body, like Christ's after his resurrection, and "put on incorruption" forever (
Romans 8:18-25).
