An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

[daninthelionsden]

It's the same word. You've just capitalized it. What is your implication? The word translated God, is theos. It means deity. Jesus is Deity. The Father is Deity. They are two different beings.

Are you saying the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are Deities as water, steam and ice are H2O? Or are you saying the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are like iron, aluminum and copper in being separate metals?

 

[theMadJW]

You show yourself to be non-Christian through your total lack of having any manifestations of the fruits of the Spirit.

It's the same word. You've just capitalized it. What is your implication? The word translated God, is theos. It means deity. Jesus is Deity. The Father is Deity. They are two different beings.

Yeah- Two Gods! What about the Ghost-God?

 

[Butch5]

Are you saying the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are Deities as water, steam and ice are H2O? Or are you saying the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are like iron, aluminum and copper in being separate metals?

I'm saying, just like in human terms, we have a Father and a Son. Two separate people. The Father is one person and the Son is another person.

 

[daninthelionsden]

I'm saying, just like in human terms, we have a Father and a Son. Two separate people. The Father is one person and the Son is another person.

Are these two separate Gods? or are they like the H2O example(water and ice)? two separate manifestations of the same God?

 

[Butch5]

Are these two separate Gods? or are they like the H2O example(water and ice)? two separate manifestations of the same God?

Water and ice are the same thing. They're just two different states of H2o. That would be Modalism. What I'm saying is that they are two different beings or persons. It's just like when a woman has a baby. There are two different people.

 

[daninthelionsden]

Water and ice are the same thing. They're just two different states of H2o. That would be Modalism. What I'm saying is that they are two different beings or persons. It's just like when a woman has a baby. There are two different people.

So you are saying two Gods?

 

[Butch5]

So you are saying two Gods?

There are two beings that both Deity or God.

 

[daninthelionsden]

There are two beings that both Deity or God.

So you say the two persons are one God? What about the Holy Spirit?

 

[Butch5]

So you say the two persons are one God? What about the Holy Spirit?

What does one God mean? The Holy Spirit is a limited manifestation of the Father.

 

[daninthelionsden]

What does one God mean? The Holy Spirit is a limited manifestation of the Father.

The Father and Son are either two Gods or they are two persons in one God. Or is it something in between?

 

[Butch5]

The Father and Son are either two Gods or they are two persons in one God. Or is it something in between?

Ok, this is where it goes off the rails. The word theos is deity. Jesus is Deity, the Father is Deity. When you ask are they one God, Deity, what are you asking? They are not one being or person. What would one Deity mean?

 

[daninthelionsden]

Ok, this is where it goes off the rails. The word theos is deity. Jesus is Deity, the Father is Deity. When you ask are they one God, Deity, what are you asking? They are not one being or person. What would one Deity mean?

You either believe there are multiple Gods or you believe there are two persons, but both are one God. Which is it?

 

[Butch5]

You either believe there are multiple Gods or you believe there are two persons, but both are one God. Which is it?

I asked you to explain what you mean. I said the Father and the Son are both Deity or God. If they are both God, the Father is one and the Son is one, how can they be one God? 1+1 doesn't equal 1

 

[daninthelionsden]

I asked you to explain what you mean. I said the Father and the Son are both Deity or God. If they are both God, the Father is one and the Son is one, how can they be one God? 1+1 doesn't equal 1

Then you believe in two Gods?

 

[Butch5]

Then you believe in two Gods?

That's what the Bible tells us. It calls the Father God and Jesus God. Two beings called God because they are both Deity.

 

[daninthelionsden]

That's what the Bible tells us. It calls the Father God and Jesus God. Two beings called God because they are both Deity.

And what is the Holy Spirit? Merely a manifestation of one or both of this/these Gods?

 

[Butch5]

And what is the Holy Spirit? Merely a manifestation of one or both of this/these Gods?

A manifestation of the Father.

 

[daninthelionsden]

A manifestation of the Father.

But Jesus said He sends the Holy Spirit. Jesus is always subordinate to the Father. He told the Father to go down to the disciples?

 

[theMadJW]

Are these two separate Gods? or are they like the H2O example(water and ice)? two separate manifestations of the same God?

From inspiring to falling flat on your face....

 

[Butch5]

But Jesus said He sends the Holy Spirit. Jesus is always subordinate to the Father. He told the Father to go down to the disciples?

It's all the Father's plan. It's not about subordination.