Angels are Corporeal, not spirits

[Bruce.Leiter]

Prior to The Fourth Lateran Council of 1215 AD, some in the church believed angels had corporeal nature suited to the heavenly realm, that they were not immaterial spirits. Scripture depicts them eating and drinking with Abraham, pulling Lot into the house and shuting the door, wrestling with Jacob who held the angel fast and would not release Him, sitting under a tree with Gideon, waking Peter up and helping him rise to his feet. Angels can be unwittingly entertained by humans who believe they are helping strangers.






Hebrews 1:14 "ministering spirits" does not contradict this, metaphorically angels function as "ministering spirits", its not a statement about their essence. God wouldn't have to "make them "spirits" if they already were, neither is He making them literal fire (Hebrews 1:7). This is metaphorical language describing them as swift and powerful, not defining their essence.



The theory they "materialize" physical forms to interact with humans isn't taught in scripture and in fact contradicts God alone kills and makes alive (Deut. 32:39) and that He alone has creative power (Neh. 9:6).



Never does scripture depict angels or men changing their essence as they cross dimensions into the other realm. Jacob saw angels climb down a ladder, Elijah crossed over in a chariot through a whirlwind, Moses and Elijah appeared on the Mount of Transfiguration when the Kingdom was present in power, John went through a door:


Christ said resurrected believers would be "equal to the angels" and as they will rise physically from the dead in "supernatural bodies" it follows angels also have corporeal nature that is "equal" to them.



Moreover, when Paul was discussing the various types of heaven bodies that exist, they were all physical "soma", not spirit "pneuma". The resurrection body is a body infused with spirit, not immaterial spirit. It is the same "physical body infused with spirit" that Christ has:






Spirits don't get resurrected, physical bodies do.



For this reason Christians should not be surprised when Satan and his fallen angels appear in physically in a fleet of UFO ships. They use advanced technology to go from place to place. We see that in Ezekeil chapter 1, and scripture expressly declares the stars fought Sisera from heaven:




Regardless how one interprets the symbolism, the angel of the LORD is depicted as seated in a craft that moves.



This is why UFOs do NOT prove ancient alien theory at all. Angels use advanced technology. When Satan and his angels appear on earth after Michael and his angels cast they out of heaven, it’s a strong delusion they are extraterrestrial beings, a Big Lie deception of epic proportions.

Why is this study of angels so important to you, Alfred, when the Scriptures are clear that God is behind the good angels sending them as messengers to us? It's God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit as the one, true God, who is the one to whom we should pray, thank, praise, and serve as our God, certainly not the angels.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I have problems with the "sons of God" in Genesis being angels.
I believe Jesus says that Angels do not marry. If so, why would Angels have all the male equipment to make a human woman pregnant? Not just the penis, but the human male DNA XY chromosomes?

I think every time an Angel appears in the Bible, they always appear as mature males. But they are always clothed. You cannot tell if they have any genitalia at all.

I'm pretty sure a human female will not get pregnant from a different species. The egg will not accept the alien sperm.

Somebody once told me that "once they transform in order to be seen, they can transform with all this male equipment." Kind of like a shape shifter I guess.

Obedient angels don't have sex. Evidently, those who sin can.

You make a good argument about "compatibility", I have no answer against it.

Because Peter and Jude support the angels having sex interpretation, a view believed by the entire Church for hundreds of years, I believe it too. I don't have all the answers, I can only go by what seem to be the teaching of scripture.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Why is this study of angels so important to you, Alfred, when the Scriptures are clear that God is behind the good angels sending them as messengers to us? It's God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit as the one, true God, who is the one to whom we should pray, thank, praise, and serve as our God, certainly not the angels.

The "strong delusion" fools many. Apart from the demonic influence that overwhelms critical thinking, so people believe in falsehood (aka "the mystery of lawlessness"), people base their opinions on common knowledge.

As most Christians don't belive Satan and angels are physical beings, who can act like spirits in our dimension if they want to, the idea UFO's in the sky are a satanic deception seems to them, not likely. So if a fleet of ufo's arrive, physical....they will believe these are not fallen angels. They will believe the satanic lies the "aliens" preach.

By the way, they are already preaching the BIG LIE in ufo contactee cults. Many already believe Satan will liberate mankind from the tyranny of Yahweh. The History channel even had a video on it. "The Satan conspiracy".

 

[Whatever]

Obedient angels don't have sex. Evidently, those who sin can.

But my question is, if they don't marry, why would they have sexual equipment in the first place?
Adam and Eve had the sexual equipment because we were to multiply.
Apparently Angels don't have to do that.
Men and Women who have been neutered live just fine.

 

[Whatever]

the idea UFO's in the sky are a satanic deception seems to them, not likely

Have you heard of Gary Bates from Creation Ministries International.
It's been a while, but he wrote a book "Alien Intrusion" and them made a movie with that name.

Alien Intrusion Movie pack (DVD)

Pack includes the book and the DVD of Alien Intrusion.

usstore.creation.com

He believes it is demonic stuff happening. He says with what we really know with science it would be impossible for aliens from other galaxies to be able to make it here.

 

[Alfred Persson]

But my question is, if they don't marry, why would they have sexual equipment in the first place?
Adam and Eve had the sexual equipment because we were to multiply.
Apparently Angels don't have to do that.
Men and Women who have been neutered live just fine.

It would appear they have the ability to alter their form to accomplish this. But that is an inference, not revelation by scripture.

Jude refers to strange flesh and likens what they did to the sexual sins of Sodom:

6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Jude 1:6-7 NKJ)

 

[Whatever]

It would appear they have the ability to alter their form to accomplish this.

But again, corporeal beings who do not marry and thus do not need sexual equipment have the ability to change their forms and create not only a penis, but the human sperm DNA to make a woman pregnant?

Unless they already have this equipment and there are women angels and heaven is just one big orgy. Or just a homosexual paradise.
It might be sin for us to do that because it causes all kinds of disease, but it might be okay up there - no disease, no pregnancies.