Angels are Corporeal, not spirits

[for_his_glory]

In biblical theology, the concept of "election" refers to God's sovereign choice to select certain individuals or groups for a specific purpose or destiny. This selection inherently implies that others are not chosen for that particular purpose.

Therefore, election implies others were not elected.

Just like in politics. You can only elect one person, not all of them at the same time.

I believe I already said that.

 

[JLB]

The sons of God were not angels nor Nephilim, but actual humans.

How did these humans survive the flood and continue to produce Nephilim?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

The corporeal form of angels is their manifestation to human, same as any account of theophany recorded in the bible. The word "angel" means messenger, in order to send a messenge to corporeal humans, a messenger must manifest in human form too, but that doesn't mean they are ONLY corporeal and not spiritual. Apostle John once bowed down an angel who then admonished him: "you must not do that, I am a servant like you!" And during the whole time he was in SPIRIT (Rev. 1:10), that sets the context, anything or anyone he saw in his vision was in spiritual form.

I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet ... (Rev. 1:10)

 

[Alfred Persson]

Angels are spirits.

Bless the LORD, O my soul!
O LORD my God, You are very great:
You are clothed with honor and majesty,
Who cover Yourself with light as with a garment,
Who stretch out the heavens like a curtain.
He lays the beams of His upper chambers in the waters,
Who makes the clouds His chariot,
Who walks on the wings of the wind,
Who makes His angels spirits,
His ministers a flame of fire.
You who laid the foundations of the earth,
So that it should not be moved forever,
Psalms 104:1-5


This is referring to when He created angels, and the earth and the heavens.

How was God walking on the clouds at creation and after making them spirits, why make them a flame of fire? What do ministering fires do anyway? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I believe I already said that.

Good, so we agree.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

How did these humans survive the flood and continue to produce Nephilim?

Fallen angels did it again, mainly through Canaan's lineage. The word "Nephilim" means "fallen ones". All the perceived "genocides" of Canaanites were essentially God's pest control.

 

[JLB]

Fallen angels did it again, mainly through Canaan's lineage. The word "Nephilim" means "fallen ones". All the perceived "genocides" of Canaanites were essentially God's pest control.

The giants (Nephilim) were produced when the sons of God came into the daughters of men.


There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

• There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men

If the sons of God were human, there would be no “and also afterward”.


All flesh was destroyed.


All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died. So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive.
Genesis 7:22-23



The sons of God were angels.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

The sons of God were angels.

Yes, the sons of God were angels who were able to present themselves before God (Job 1:6), but the Nephilim were not, they were demonic hybrids.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Yes, the sons of God were angels who were able to present themselves before God (Job 1:6), but the Nephilim were not, they were demonic hybrids.

Incorrect, they were Satan's fallen angels on earth BEFORE the sons of God sinned with women, and they also took wives and produced Men of renown:

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days,
and also afterward,
when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men,
and they bore children to them.

Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. (Gen. 6:4 NAU)

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Incorrect, they were Satan's fallen angels on earth BEFORE the sons of God sinned with women, and they also took wives and produced Men of renown:

No, those are the same angels who overstepped their proper domain. Don't argue for the sake of arguing.

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; (Jude 1:6)

 

[Alfred Persson]

No, those are the same angels who overstepped their proper domain. Don't argue for the sake of arguing.

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; (Jude 1:6)

You have proven scripture doesn't alter your opinions, one more time. The plain reading shows the Nephilim were on the earth before the sons of God, and they were already sinning with human women.

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days,
and also afterward,
when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men,
and they bore children to them.

Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. (Gen. 6:4 NAU)

I recall checking the Hebrew very carefully on this, its clear the Nephilim and sons of God were contemporaries. Both were sinning with women. Nephilim are mentioned first because they were doing it longer.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

You have proven scripture doesn't alter your opinions, one more time. The plain reading shows the Nephilim were on the earth before the sons of God, and they were already sinning with human women.

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days,
and also afterward,
when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men,
and they bore children to them.

Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. (Gen. 6:4 NAU)

I recall checking the Hebrew very carefully on this, its clear the Nephilim and sons of God were contemporaries. Both were sinning with women. Nephilim are mentioned first because they were doing it longer.

No, Nephilim are the children born to the fallen angels. Grammatically, "when" sets the condition and/or context of the whole sentence, in this case, the Nephilim's existence in "those days" and afterward.

 

[Alfred Persson]

No, Nephilim are the children born to the fallen angels. Grammatically, "when" sets the condition and/or context of the whole sentence, in this case, the Nephilim's existence in "those days" and afterward.

When gives literal timing, the Nephilim were already existing WHEN the sons of God came....

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

When gives literal timing, the Nephilim were already existing WHEN the sons of God came....

No, the Nephilim were the children sired by the fallen angels. "WHEN" is referring to "those days" before the Flood, that's the timing.

 

[Alfred Persson]

No, the Nephilim were the children sired by the fallen angels. "WHEN" is referring to "those days" before the Flood, that's the timing.

Yes, your unique grammar. I get it.

 

[JLB]

Yes, the sons of God were angels who were able to present themselves before God (Job 1:6), but the Nephilim were not, they were demonic hybrids.

Yes hybrid beings.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Nephilim = Fallen Ones.
Genesis 6:4 The fallen ones were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when sons of God come in unto daughters of men, and they have borne to them -- they are the heroes, who, from of old, are the men of name. (Gen. 6:4 YLT) Young's Literal

Nouns. The nouns mappāl, “what falls from the grain, refuse” (Am. 8:6), “flabby cheeks” (of Behemoth) (Job 41:15[23]); mappālâ, “heap of ruins” (Isa. 17:1), “ruin” (Isa. 23:13; 25:2); and mappeleṯ, “carcass” (that which has fallen: Jgs. 14:8), “fallen trunk” (Ezk. 31:13), or “fall, downfall” (Ezk. 26:15–18; 27:27; 31:16; 32:10; Prov. 29:16), fill out the picture without qualification. In the case of nēp̱el, however, we must examine its usage carefully. The noun probably does not refer to the process of birth (the falling of the newborn infant) or the falling of a miscarriage. Its meaning derives from the primary meaning of the qal: an entity whose necessary property is to fall, a casualty. The Nephilim (Gen. 6:4; Nu. 13:33) should be interpreted analogously. The noun seems to embody the notion, so characteristic of ancient Israel, that something gigantic, something exalted, must necessarily fall.1<a href="#_ftn1" name="_ftnref1" title="">9</a><a href="#_ftn2" name="_ftnref2" title="">^[1]</a>

Seebass, H. (1998). נָפַל. In G. J. Botterweck, H. Ringgren, & H.-J. Fabry (Eds.), & D. E. Green (Trans.), Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament (Revised Edition, Vol. 9, p. 497). William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company.

Satan has spread the strong delusion The Nephilim (Fallen Ones) were not his fallen angels who corrupted the earth after the Fall. The Watchers were sent to counteract their evil ministry on earth. Satan doesn't want anyone to connect the dots to the End Time, when Michael casts them out of heaven and they appear disguised as Extraterrestrial "Elohim" and deceive the earth once again.

 

[for_his_glory]

How did these humans survive the flood and continue to produce Nephilim?

I usually do not answer a question with a question but, do we not have giants among us today so where did they come from?

Have you ever heard of the hereditary autosomal dominant pituitary gene such as AIP that produces Nephilim/giants. I found this info when I was researching giants.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Satan cast down a third of his angels after Adam sinned, they corrupted the earth. The plan was to stop the woman's seed by corrupting the "image of God" in man with the image of angels:

His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. (Rev. 12:4 NKJ)

Satan didn't know when the Incarnation of the Son would happen, he thought it would before the flood so he "cast down" his angels to corrupt the earth. "Devour her Child" as soon as it was born.

The "sons of God" (the Watchers) was sent to counteract them, but instead they "left their own habitation" and joined in, taking wives themselves.

Satan does not want anyone to connect the dots because after God lifts His restraint on Satan's evil powers, they will appear in our skys as physical UFO aliens and completely destroy faith in God world wide, the great "rebellion" mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:2.

All the Nephilim trapped on earth during the flood, died. Evidently, some of the angelic dna survived the flood among those with Noah, and from them giants sprang forth after the flood. God made sure all these giants were destroyed after the flood:

20 The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man.
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died.
23 So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive. (Gen. 7:20-23 NKJ)

 

[Alfred Persson]

7 The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle. On their heads were crowns of something like gold, and their faces were like the faces of men.
8 They had hair like women's hair, and their teeth were like lions' teeth. (Rev. 9:7-8 NKJ)


The Nephilim Fallen ones (Satan's angels) died physically in the flood, and their spirits were sent to the abyss (bottomless pit). The symbolism of them having "hair like women's hair" is symbolic of their sin with human women.