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Angels are Corporeal, not spirits

Elijah was carried by a chariot into the dimension of heaven, therefore angels use technology.
Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (2 Ki. 2:11 NKJ)
I don't see anything about Angels being the ones doing that.

You also need to explain your definition of corporeal.
corporeal - having material or physical form or substance

I believe Spirit is a substance. Carbon atoms are a substance. The physical universe and everything in it is made out of atoms.
But I also believe there is a heavenly realm or dimension made of spirit. Angels are made of spirit, they have bodies and are tangible - it refers to things that are real and have substance. They are supernatural in that they are above the carbon atom based universe we live in.
They can move from one dimension to the other.

When Elijah went up, he had to at some time be changed (in the twinkling of an eye) into his imperishable nature or whatever Paul is talking about here:

1 Corinthians 15:50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.

Also Paul says the resurrection body is spiritual a few verses before those above.

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Both bodies are corporeal, they are real. One if corruptible the other incorruptible.

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they . . . . are like angels of God in heaven.
 
Scripture is also 100% true, and in Genesis sinning angels go after "strange flesh" (human) and take wives, which is idiom for having sex.
But it doesn't use the word "angels."

Gen 6:2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

It is your interpretation that "sons of god" means angels.

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(2) The sons of God
. . . . —The literal translation of this verse is, And the sons of the Elohim saw the daughters of the adam that they were good (beautiful); and they took to them wives whomsoever they chose. Of the sons of the Elohim there are three principal interpretations: the first, that of the Targums and the chief Jewish expositors, that they were the nobles, and men of high rank; the second, that they were angels. St. Jude, Jude 1:6, and St. Peter, 2 Ep., 2Peter 2:4, seem to favour this interpretation, possibly as being the translation of the LXX. according to several MSS. But even if this be their meaning, which is very uncertain, they use it only as an illustration; and a higher authority says that the angels neither marry nor are given in marriage. The third, and most generally accepted interpretation in modern times, is that the sons of the Elohim were the Sethites, and that when they married for mere lust of beauty, universal corruption soon ensued. But no modern commentator has shown how such marriages could produce “mighty men . . . men of renown;” or how strong warriors could be the result of the intermarriage of pious men with women of an inferior race, such as the Cainites are assumed to have been.

The Jewish interpreters, who well understood the uses of their own language, are right in the main point that the phrase “sons of the Elohim” conveys no idea of moral goodness or piety. Elohim constantly means mighty ones (Exodus 15:11, marg.). (Comp. Exodus 12:12, marg., Exodus 21:6; Exodus 22:8-9, where it is translated judges; Exodus 22:28, 1Samuel 2:25, where also it is translated judge.) In Job 1:6 the “sons of Elohim” are the nobles, the idea being that of a king who at his durbar gathers his princes round him; and, not unnecessarily to multiply examples, the “sons of the Elim,” the other form of the plural, is rightly translated mighty ones in Psalm 29:1.

Who, then, are these “mighty ones?” Before answering this question, let me call attention to the plain teaching of the narrative as to what is meant by the “daughters of men.” It says: “When the adam began to multiply, and daughters were born unto them, the sons of the Elohim saw the daughters of the adam . . . and took them wives,” &c. But according to every right rule of interpretation, the “daughters of the adam” in Genesis 6:1 must be the same as the “daughters of the adam” in Genesis 6:2, whom the sons of the Elohim married. Now, it seems undeniable that the adam here spoken of were the Sethites. The phrase occurs in the history of Noah, just after giving his descent from Adam; Cain is absolutely passed over, even in the account of the birth of Seth, who is described as Adam’s firstborn, such as legally he was. The corruption described is that of the Sethites; for the Cainites have already been depicted as violent and lustful, and their history has been brought to an end. Moreover, in Genesis 6:3, “the adam with whom God will not always strive” is certainly the family of Seth, who, though the chosen people and possessors of the birthright, are nevertheless described as falling into evil ways; and their utter corruption finally is the result of the depravation of their women by a race superior to themselves in muscular vigour and warlike prowess.

Where, then, shall we find these men? Certainly among the descendants of Cain. In Genesis 4:17-24, we find Cain described as the founder of civil institutions and social life: the name he gives to his son testifies to his determination that his race shall be trained men. They advance rapidly in the arts, become rich, refined, luxurious, but also martial and arrogant. The picture terminates in a boastful hero parading himself before his admiring wives, displaying to them his weapons, and vaunting himself in a poem of no mean merit as ten times superior to their forefather Cain. His namesake in the race of Seth also indites a poem; but it is a groan over their hard toil, and the difficulty with which, by incessant labour, they earned their daily bread. To the simple “daughters of the adam,” these men, enriched by the possession of implements of metal, playing sweet music on harp and pipe, and rendered invincible by the deadly weapons they had forged, must have seemed indeed as very “sons of the Elohim.” The Sethites could not have taken the Cainite women according to their fancy in the way described, protected as they were by armed men; but the whole phrase, “whomsoever they would,” reeks of that arrogancy and wantonness of which the polygamist Lamech had set so notable an example. And so, not by the women corrupting nobler natures, but by these strong men acting according to their lust, the race with the birthright sank to the Cainite level, and God had no longer a people on earth worthy of His choice.
 
I don't see anything about Angels being the ones doing that.

You also need to explain your definition of corporeal.
corporeal - having material or physical form or substance

I believe Spirit is a substance. Carbon atoms are a substance. The physical universe and everything in it is made out of atoms.
But I also believe there is a heavenly realm or dimension made of spirit. Angels are made of spirit, they have bodies and are tangible - it refers to things that are real and have substance. They are supernatural in that they are above the carbon atom based universe we live in.
They can move from one dimension to the other.

When Elijah went up, he had to at some time be changed (in the twinkling of an eye) into his imperishable nature or whatever Paul is talking about here:

1 Corinthians 15:50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.


Also Paul says the resurrection body is spiritual a few verses before those above.

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Both bodies are corporeal, they are real. One if corruptible the other incorruptible.

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they . . . . are like angels of God in heaven.
Angels would use a chariot to get Elijah into heaven, not God. The Corinthians passage you cite proves that. So angels do use technology.

The idiom "flesh and blood" means "corruption" in this context. Christ's resurrecton body was flesh and bone, not blood. Still physical.

I don't agree he changed when he entered the dimension of heaven. He was physical at the mount of Transfiguration, Peter wanted to build him a tent to rest in. Spirits don't need tents.

Moreover, "natural body" and "spiritual body" both are SOMA, physical bodies. One is animated by spirit so its immortal, powerful, the other still subject to corruption and death.

As for a definition of corporeal, material physical bodies.

And as Peter and Jude teach Genesis 6:2 says angels had sex with women, Christ must have been talking about righteous angels, they don't marry etc. Not sinning angels.
 
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Regardless how one interprets the symbolism, the angel of the LORD is depicted as seated in a craft that moves.

This is going beyond what the passage you offered says. There is no mention in the passage of a "craft," only a whirlwind and "cloud of raging fire."

For this reason Christians should not be surprised when Satan and his fallen angels appear in physically in a fleet of UFO ships. They use advanced technology to go from place to place. We see that in Ezekeil chapter 1, and scripture expressly declares the stars fought Sisera from heaven:



Regardless how one interprets the symbolism, the angel of the LORD is depicted as seated in a craft that moves.

??? Kinda' streeeeettttccchhhiiinnnggg things here, it seems to me. There is no clear, explicit statement anywhere in the Bible to the effect that angels use "technology" to get around.

And what does it mean that the "stars fought Sisera from heaven"? Deborah and Barak are giving song in Judges 5, recounting in obviously figurative fashion some of the history of the Israelite nation defeating their enemies:

Judges 5:4-5
4 LORD, when you wenty out of Seir, when you marched out of the field of Edom, the earth trembled, and the heavens dropped, the clouds also dropped water.
5 The mountains melted from before the LORD, even that Sinai from before the LORD God of Israel.


Judges 5:11
11 They that are delivered from the noise of archers in the places of drawing water...

Judges 5:21
21 The river of Kishon swept them away, that ancient river, the river Kishon...

Judges 5:27
27 At her feet he bowed, he fell, he lay down: at her feet he bowed, he fell: where he bowed, there he fell down dead.

Judges 5:30
30 ...to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, meet for the necks of them that take the spoil?


The Roman historian Josephus recounts that Sisera and his army were overcome by a storm just as they engaged with Israel in battle. It seems most likely that this was in Deborah's mind as she sang, "the stars in their courses fought against Sisera," the stars being representative of heavenly power - God - fighting against Sisera.

This is why UFOs do NOT prove ancient alien theory at all. Angels use advanced technology.

I don't think there are aliens visiting us in galactic starships, but I don't think you've given me any good reason to think that angelic/demonic entities are going about in UFOs, either.
 
Never pondered if some angels are "elect", that means others are not. Elect means a selection occurred.

That elementary logic contradicts your theory about angels.

Those that joined Satan's rebellion weren't "elect angels". Actions prove who is "elect" or not.

God knew those who are His, even before He created angels.
Did you even read the scriptures I gave about Angels! Seems to me you did not, but only going by what man teaches you apart from the Holy Spirit.
 
This is where we differ in our understanding of what the word Nephilim means as it has been traditionally taught to be angels who came down and procreated with women by marrying and having children with them, but this is a false teaching. Only God can incarnate His angels into human form for the purpose of His ministry, not for procreation.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The way I read this verse is that there were giants in the earth in those days before the flood and also after the flood when the sons of God (Godly line of Seth named in Genesis 5) as they all had sons and daughters, but not all of these sons and daughters obeyed God and fell away from Him and let's not forget the ungodly line of Cain that some of these sons and daughters might have married into Cain's line came in unto the daughters of men and they bare children to them, as some had the hereditary autosomal dominant pituitary gene such as AIP that produces Nephilim/giants the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (this gene had to start with Adam).

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance - Nephilim
Part of Speech: noun masculine
Transliteration: Nephilim
Phonetic Spelling : nef-eel
Definition: "giants", name of two people, one before the flood and one after the flood

By this definition these angels would have to have come down two different times to marry the daughters of men. Once before the flood and again after the flood, but we only find this one time in Genesis 6:1, 2.

There is no such thing as a half angel, half human hybrid called Giants. Nephilim is just a name given to giants that we read about in scripture and even those that are living today being over 6 feet and taller.

Rephaim - race of giants Genesis 14:5-7; Deuteronomy 3:11-13; 2 Samuel 21:16-20, Og the king of Bashan was the last of the Rephaim
Anakim - race of giants Numbers 13:33; Deuteronomy 2:10; 9:2 Anak son of Arba Joshua 15:13 descendant of Canaan, son of Ham
Emim - the proud deserters, terrors, race of giants Genesis 14:5-7; Genesis, 19:37; Deuteronomy 2:10, 11 descendants of Canaan, son of Ham
Zuzim/Zamzummim's the evil ones, roaming things Genesis 14:5-7, 19:38 Deuteronomy 2:20 descendants of Canaan, son of Ham

It's just like the name Lucifer/Satan/prince of darkness/Beelzebub/father of lies and many more names given to this fallen angel. Satan is nothing more than a fallen angel that goes to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it as he still has access to the throne room of God as he stands accusing the brethren as Jesus sits and makes intercession for us. Satan is the opposite of God's goodness as his evil hierarchy includes the third of the angels that have followed after him as he sends them throughout the earth for his destructive purpose in man, 1 Peter 5:8.
 
Did you even read the scriptures I gave about Angels! Seems to me you did not, but only going by what man teaches you apart from the Holy Spirit.
You said all angels are elect servants of God, but election suggests a selection, meaning some were not elected.

I don't have time to read the long posts you reply with. I select a point or two and ask you about that. My time is limited, sorry.
 
Only God can incarnate His angels into human form
I think angels are already in human form. All they have do is show up and make themselves visible. And by human form all I mean is they stand erect with two legs, arms, a torso and a head. They do not have to have hearts and other internal organs. Back then I assume they always wore cloaks like everybody else. And yes, there are other heavenly creatures that are different.

Numbers 22:22 Then God's anger was aroused because he went, and the Angel of the LORD took His stand in the way as an adversary against him. And he was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him.

You can read the rest of the verses. The donkey saw the angel, but Balaam couldn't until verse 31, where the angel opened Balaam's eyes. The angel even made the donkey speak. In other words, the angel was there and only let Balaam see him when he wanted him to.
 
This is going beyond what the passage you offered says. There is no mention in the passage of a "craft," only a whirlwind and "cloud of raging fire."



??? Kinda' streeeeettttccchhhiiinnnggg things here, it seems to me. There is no clear, explicit statement anywhere in the Bible to the effect that angels use "technology" to get around.

And what does it mean that the "stars fought Sisera from heaven"? Deborah and Barak are giving song in Judges 5, recounting in obviously figurative fashion some of the history of the Israelite nation defeating their enemies:

Judges 5:4-5
4 LORD, when you wenty out of Seir, when you marched out of the field of Edom, the earth trembled, and the heavens dropped, the clouds also dropped water.
5 The mountains melted from before the LORD, even that Sinai from before the LORD God of Israel.


Judges 5:11
11 They that are delivered from the noise of archers in the places of drawing water...

Judges 5:21
21 The river of Kishon swept them away, that ancient river, the river Kishon...

Judges 5:27
27 At her feet he bowed, he fell, he lay down: at her feet he bowed, he fell: where he bowed, there he fell down dead.

Judges 5:30
30 ...to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, meet for the necks of them that take the spoil?


The Roman historian Josephus recounts that Sisera and his army were overcome by a storm just as they engaged with Israel in battle. It seems most likely that this was in Deborah's mind as she sang, "the stars in their courses fought against Sisera," the stars being representative of heavenly power - God - fighting against Sisera.



I don't think there are aliens visiting us in galactic starships, but I don't think you've given me any good reason to think that angelic/demonic entities are going about in UFOs, either.
Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (2 Ki. 2:11 NKJ)

A chariot is technology, it was angels using technology fetching him because God don't use technology.

I don't believe Extraterrestrials exist; I believe the Bible. It am certain the strong delusion is "ancient alien theory" now sweeping the planet.

Only those with their head in the sand don't realize belief in UFOs has risen exponentially these last few years.

Fallen angels can pretend to be extraterrestrials. But its a BIG LIE.

Presbyterian minister Barry Downing believes Jesus was an Extraterrestrial because he saw technology in Bible events.

He isn't alone, many are losing their faith every day. That you aren't is GREAT. Glad to hear it.

But once a Christian apologist accepts the idea angels use technology, then the knee jerk response of Barry Downing and others who lose their faith when they see technology in the Bible, becomes FOOLISH.

That's my point. Great it doesn't apply to you.
 
This is where we differ in our understanding of what the word Nephilim means as it has been traditionally taught to be angels who came down and procreated with women by marrying and having children with them, but this is a false teaching. Only God can incarnate His angels into human form for the purpose of His ministry, not for procreation.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The way I read this verse is that there were giants in the earth in those days before the flood and also after the flood when the sons of God (Godly line of Seth named in Genesis 5) as they all had sons and daughters, but not all of these sons and daughters obeyed God and fell away from Him and let's not forget the ungodly line of Cain that some of these sons and daughters might have married into Cain's line came in unto the daughters of men and they bare children to them, as some had the hereditary autosomal dominant pituitary gene such as AIP that produces Nephilim/giants the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (this gene had to start with Adam).

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance - Nephilim
Part of Speech: noun masculine
Transliteration: Nephilim
Phonetic Spelling : nef-eel
Definition: "giants", name of two people, one before the flood and one after the flood

By this definition these angels would have to have come down two different times to marry the daughters of men. Once before the flood and again after the flood, but we only find this one time in Genesis 6:1, 2.

There is no such thing as a half angel, half human hybrid called Giants. Nephilim is just a name given to giants that we read about in scripture and even those that are living today being over 6 feet and taller.

Rephaim - race of giants Genesis 14:5-7; Deuteronomy 3:11-13; 2 Samuel 21:16-20, Og the king of Bashan was the last of the Rephaim
Anakim - race of giants Numbers 13:33; Deuteronomy 2:10; 9:2 Anak son of Arba Joshua 15:13 descendant of Canaan, son of Ham
Emim - the proud deserters, terrors, race of giants Genesis 14:5-7; Genesis, 19:37; Deuteronomy 2:10, 11 descendants of Canaan, son of Ham
Zuzim/Zamzummim's the evil ones, roaming things Genesis 14:5-7, 19:38 Deuteronomy 2:20 descendants of Canaan, son of Ham

It's just like the name Lucifer/Satan/prince of darkness/Beelzebub/father of lies and many more names given to this fallen angel. Satan is nothing more than a fallen angel that goes to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it as he still has access to the throne room of God as he stands accusing the brethren as Jesus sits and makes intercession for us. Satan is the opposite of God's goodness as his evil hierarchy includes the third of the angels that have followed after him as he sends them throughout the earth for his destructive purpose in man, 1 Peter 5:8.
The Seth theory isn't taught by Peter or Jude.
 
Prior to The Fourth Lateran Council of 1215 AD, some in the church believed angels had corporeal nature suited to the heavenly realm, that they were not immaterial spirits. Scripture depicts them eating and drinking with Abraham, pulling Lot into the house and shuting the door, wrestling with Jacob who held the angel fast and would not release Him, sitting under a tree with Gideon, waking Peter up and helping him rise to his feet. Angels can be unwittingly entertained by humans who believe they are helping strangers.






Hebrews 1:14 "ministering spirits" does not contradict this, metaphorically angels function as "ministering spirits", its not a statement about their essence. God wouldn't have to "make them "spirits" if they already were, neither is He making them literal fire (Hebrews 1:7). This is metaphorical language describing them as swift and powerful, not defining their essence.



The theory they "materialize" physical forms to interact with humans isn't taught in scripture and in fact contradicts God alone kills and makes alive (Deut. 32:39) and that He alone has creative power (Neh. 9:6).



Never does scripture depict angels or men changing their essence as they cross dimensions into the other realm. Jacob saw angels climb down a ladder, Elijah crossed over in a chariot through a whirlwind, Moses and Elijah appeared on the Mount of Transfiguration when the Kingdom was present in power, John went through a door:


Christ said resurrected believers would be "equal to the angels" and as they will rise physically from the dead in "supernatural bodies" it follows angels also have corporeal nature that is "equal" to them.




Moreover, when Paul was discussing the various types of heaven bodies that exist, they were all physical "soma", not spirit "pneuma". The resurrection body is a body infused with spirit, not immaterial spirit. It is the same "physical body infused with spirit" that Christ has:






Spirits don't get resurrected, physical bodies do.




For this reason Christians should not be surprised when Satan and his fallen angels appear in physically in a fleet of UFO ships. They use advanced technology to go from place to place. We see that in Ezekeil chapter 1, and scripture expressly declares the stars fought Sisera from heaven:




Regardless how one interprets the symbolism, the angel of the LORD is depicted as seated in a craft that moves.



This is why UFOs do NOT prove ancient alien theory at all. Angels use advanced technology. When Satan and his angels appear on earth after Michael and his angels cast they out of heaven, it’s a strong delusion they are extraterrestrial beings, a Big Lie deception of epic proportions.








It’s not good to get your theology from a you tube clip.
 
I think angels are already in human form. All they have do is show up and make themselves visible. And by human form all I mean is they stand erect with two legs, arms, a torso and a head. They do not have to have hearts and other internal organs. Back then I assume they always wore cloaks like everybody else. And yes, there are other heavenly creatures that are different.

Numbers 22:22 Then God's anger was aroused because he went, and the Angel of the LORD took His stand in the way as an adversary against him. And he was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him.

You can read the rest of the verses. The donkey saw the angel, but Balaam couldn't until verse 31, where the angel opened Balaam's eyes. The angel even made the donkey speak. In other words, the angel was there and only let Balaam see him when he wanted him to.
But, this angel was sent by God as an adversary against Balaam to stop him. Angels are created pure spirits that have no form like a human does, but incarnated by God at times for God's purpose. Angels do not have material bodies.
 
You said all angels are elect servants of God, but election suggests a selection, meaning some were not elected.

I don't have time to read the long posts you reply with. I select a point or two and ask you about that. My time is limited, sorry.
Election is the fact of electing, or being elected for a certain purpose as we see in scripture how God uses His elected angels to interact with certain people for God's purpose under heaven.
 
Never heard of the Seth theory nor did I even mention it.
" The sons of God, Godly line of Seth, took them wives of the daughters of the ungodly "-You

The "seth theory" rose up in the 3rd century, Peter and Jude says the sons of God were angels taking wives.

By the 3rd century, Christian theologians such as Julius Africanus adopted the Sethite view, seeking to provide a more acceptable explanation in the face of criticism. This interpretation was further solidified by influential figures like Augustine of Hippo in the 4th and 5th centuries, who endorsed the Sethite perspective in his writings.

Khouse


The shift towards the Sethite interpretation was influenced by various factors, including discomfort with the notion of angelic beings engaging in unions with human women, as well as the rise of angel worship and the establishment of clerical celibacy within the church. Critics of Christianity, such as Celsus and Julian the Apostate, used the angelic interpretation to attack the faith, prompting theologians to seek alternative explanations.

Khouse


By the Middle Ages, the Sethite interpretation had become the dominant understanding of Genesis 6:2 within both Jewish and Christian traditions, largely due to the influence of early theologians and the church's efforts to distance itself from interpretations that could be seen as supporting angel worship or contradicting emerging doctrines.

Khouse


In summary, the Sethite interpretation of Genesis 6:2 first appeared in the early centuries AD, gaining prominence through the works of theologians like Julius Africanus and Augustine, and eventually becoming the prevailing understanding in both Jewish and Christian traditions.
 
Election is the fact of electing, or being elected for a certain purpose as we see in scripture how God uses His elected angels to interact with certain people for God's purpose under heaven.
In biblical theology, the concept of "election" refers to God's sovereign choice to select certain individuals or groups for a specific purpose or destiny. This selection inherently implies that others are not chosen for that particular purpose.

Therefore, election implies others were not elected.

Just like in politics. You can only elect one person, not all of them at the same time.
 
I made the clip.

Angels are spirits.

Bless the LORD, O my soul!
O LORD my God, You are very great:
You are clothed with honor and majesty,
Who cover Yourself with light as with a garment,
Who stretch out the heavens like a curtain.
He lays the beams of His upper chambers in the waters,
Who makes the clouds His chariot,
Who walks on the wings of the wind,
Who makes His angels spirits,
His ministers a flame of fire.
You who laid the foundations of the earth,
So that it should not be moved forever,
Psalms 104:1-5


This is referring to when He created angels, and the earth and the heavens.
 
" The sons of God, Godly line of Seth, took them wives of the daughters of the ungodly "-You
Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

These verses are speaking about the increasing corruption from the time of Adam beginning with Seth and Cain up to the days of Noah as God's spirit did not remain in all men. It repented God that He even created man, but only found favor in just one man named Noah. The sons of God were not angels nor Nephilim, but actual humans.
 
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