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Angels Do Not Have Sex

Deborah13 said:
"and even after the flood" is what these scriptures speak of.
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Even after the flood what?

Sons of God had relations with women after the flood.

No human ever produced Nephilim before or after the flood.

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

JLB
 
brother Paul said:
I know Deb and this will always be an area of discussion in-house but gigantes is mistranslated to only refer to "giants" as in huge people so this brings in an interesting point.
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But as you pointed out, it does Not always refer to the size of a person, in fact it usually doesn't.
Even in English we say things like, 'He is a giant in the field of computer technology."
 
(Post deleted, Response to heavily editted post with no point made about it, Obadiah.)
 
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JLB said:
Even after the flood what?

Sons of God had relations with women after the flood.

No human ever produced Nephilim before or after the flood.

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

JLB
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JLB, I really don't want to go back and restate my previous posts. They are my position and what I see in scripture in Genesis 10 and in Deut.. :shrug

There were people who were large and there were men who had great power and might, as leaders, as hunters, as warriors. They are not necessary all synonymous but both existed in the land of Canaan after the flood. They came from the line of Ham.
 
brother Paul said:
There is a logic here that only comes out when one exegetes the Hebrew words themselves…let me explain…

Nowhere in Genesis, or anywhere else in the Bible for that matter, are the sons of Seth referred to as the sons of God. Likewise, nowhere in the Bible are the “daughters of men” specifically a reference to the daughters of Cain. These could well have been any women including the daughters of the Sethites. In almost every other place where this specific phrase bene ha'Elohim (sons of God) is used in the Old Testament, it is clearly speaking of angels (Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7; Psalm 89:6, 103:20; Daniel 3:25).

Yet another problem appears to be in the words themselves that are used. The first phrase is bene ha’Elohim and the second is literally daughters of Adam. From this it would appear, if this interpretation is correct, then Seth himself would be Elohim, and Cain would be Adam. But weren’t the daughters of Seth also the daughters of Adam? Of course they were. And was not Seth made in the image of Adam (Genesis 5:3) and not God? If Seth’s daughters (the daughters of God) were not included why were they destroyed as well? Why were they not more properly included as the daughters of Elohim (if the Sethite theory is correct)? If being daughters of Elohim they were not affected by this marriage corruption plot, then why would they also have to die in the flood? If the daughters of Seth were also among “daughters of men” then this makes sense, but if this refers to the daughters of Cain only it does not, otherwise the phrase excludes them and they should have been spared.
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Good morning Paul,
You have gone askew, I fear. You are at odds with my teaching and I never made the claim these terms were defined in the Word of God. I, almost, never teach going extrabiblical but I did here for nowhere in the Word of God are we given the definition needed, not to understand but, to explain the passage. A couple of years before the Holy Spirit led me to the Library, He convicted me of what I now, as a result, teach on this single verse.

God bless.
 
Here, have another scripture brothers and sisters.

Daniel 2:43
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay./(KJV)

Now we can safely assume that God does not make grammatical errors in His Word. So the "They" shall mingle themselves with the seed of men, would only make sense if they were something other than men. Pretty basic stuff.

For more detail on this subject, go here.

http://www.douglashamp.com/part-eleven-mingling-with-the-seed-of-men/
 
Edward said:
Here, have another scripture brothers and sisters.

Daniel 2:43
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay./(KJV)

Now we can safely assume that God does not make grammatical errors in His Word. So the "They" shall mingle themselves with the seed of men, would only make sense if they were something other than men. Pretty basic stuff.

For more detail on this subject, go here.

http://www.douglashamp.com/part-eleven-mingling-with-the-seed-of-men/
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(Edited, ToS 2.4, personal insult, Obadiah.) This is recorded well after, centuries, the Genesis 6 passage. It is a prophetic reading of the king's dream and all Neb's dream is recorded as fulfilled in a number of commentaries and World History Books.
 
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JLB said:
Even after the flood what?

Sons of God had relations with women after the flood.

No human ever produced Nephilim before or after the flood.

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

JLB
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We all know that I am dense but I don't understand your point.
 
Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
Gen 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
 
Deborah13 said:
JLB, I really don't want to go back and restate my previous posts. They are my position and what I see in scripture in Genesis 10 and in Deut.. :shrug

There were people who were large and there were men who had great power and might, as leaders, as hunters, as warriors. They are not necessary all synonymous but both existed in the land of Canaan after the flood. They came from the line of Ham.
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If they were not called Nephilim then they were not produced by the sons of God.

The sons of God were not affected by the flood because they were not human.

The sons of God had relations with the daughters of the survivors of the flood in order to produce Nephilim.

JLB
 
reba said:
Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
Gen 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
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Which means the sons of God were not human since they continued after the flood.
 
reba said:
Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
Gen 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
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Reba,
You and Chopper are the jewels on this site. It is so, darn, hard to get these youngster to revire the Word of God and not to abuse it today. We have this and the last generation having been taught by Rote Memory instead of how to analyze and discover and it has contributed so greatly to Satan's influence in the Church Family Structure.
 
JLB said:
If they were not called Nephilim then they were not produced by the sons of God.

The sons of God were not affected by the flood because they were not human.

The sons of God had relations with the daughters of the survivors of the flood in order to produce Nephilim.

JLB
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As I've pointed out we are going to agree to disagree on this point but the scriptures do not teach us this if we read them in their intended context.
 
JLB said:
Which means the sons of God were not human since they continued after the flood.
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But this is stated as an opinion and actually, you are flying it in the face of the scripture that declared all but the eight on the Ark to be dead.
 
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