Angels Do Not Have Sex

[Gary]

 

[Obadiah]

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[Obadiah]

Thread is now re-opened.

Despite admin's warning there continued to be numerous ToS violations in this thread. However there is also good discussion, so I would like to see the good part of the discussion continued. HOWEVER, be advised that continuous violations of the ToS will result in warnings WITH infraction points. I would highly recommend anyone who is not familiar with the ToS to go HERE and read it carefully before posting anything that you think might be seen as a violation. Thank you.

 

[jasonc]

Sorry Jasonc, the Hittites were the sons of Heth (of Canaan) and so were NOT of Israel, since Israel is only the offspring of Jacob (Israel).

david had serveants that were in isreal fighting for isreal. unless you can show me that these were joined to isreal in nehmaiah and aslo blood to moses by his wife(kenites) and also the hittites by the warriors mentioned you don't have a case. why would you a hater of isreal fight for her unless you loved its god?

Jericho the city of it and people were from canaan. david has that blood line in him. if you want to say that they are six toed and six fingered , and having that curse then both joseph and mary are too cursed to be the parents of the moshiac as he had to be kin to us all or that those giants could be redeemed.

 

[jasonc]

jews up to rashi believed in that, but today that is rare and looked down upon.

 

[brother Paul]

Good morning Paul,
You have gone askew, I fear. You are at odds with my teaching and I never made the claim these terms were defined in the Word of God. I, almost, never teach going extrabiblical but I did here for nowhere in the Word of God are we given the definition needed, not to understand but, to explain the passage. A couple of years before the Holy Spirit led me to the Library, He convicted me of what I now, as a result, teach on this single verse.

God bless.

Actually th1b I was not really addressing what you said at all, I never said you claimed anyting...I was confused about why you took what I said on a personal note so now I understand thanks...

I was merely pointing out the word of God writes "the daughters of Adam" (not Cain) and the bene ha'Elohim (not Seth), it was a general post clarifying what 1000s of years of Rabbis and then 100s of years of Christian Leaders and Scholars understood when they read the Hebrew...one cannot get the daughters of Cain or sons of Seth from the text, so I asked where did this idea of "reading into the text" come from, and is it right for us to do so???

Whether I agree or disagree with one or the other three positions is irrelevant to the point. The point was what does the word of God say in this passage?

 

[Gary]

What stuuf Gary?

http://christianforums.net/Fellowsh...els-do-not-have-sex.53738/page-10#post-930485

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[jasonc]

Actually th1b I was not really addressing what you said at all, I never said you claimed anyting...I was confused about why you took what I said on a personal note so now I understand thanks...

I was merely pointing out the word of God writes "the daughters of Adam" (not Cain) and the bene ha'Elohim (not Seth), it was a general post clarifying what 1000s of years of Rabbis and then 100s of years of Christian Leaders and Scholars understood when they read the Hebrew...one cannot get the daughters of Cain or sons of Seth from the text, so I asked where did this idea of "reading into the text" come from, and is it right for us to do so???

Whether I agree or disagree with one or the other three positions is irrelevant to the point. The point was what does the word of God say in this passage?

if paul were to say this in Hebrew .

we have received the power to become sons and daughters of god by the spirit of adoption whereby we cry , abba, father. he would use ben elohe. just saying

 

[kickedoutofchurch]

2 Timothy 3
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


There is no other source for the Truth and anyone who says different is being deceptive. It is not a sin to use the scriptures to show biblical truths. In fact it is encouraged.


Acts 17
11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.
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Gary, thanks for pointing that out. A couple questions come to mind.

So, is "truth" the Bible (a book) or is it the living person of Christ? Do those verses say that Christ who IS all truth is contained or limited to the written Bible? Or, is it possible that Christ who is ALL truth is a living person and he is ALL truth, even the truth that the Bible may not specifically mention?

Kind of makes you wonder when you read verses like this.

And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they *were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself *would not contain the books that *would be written John 21:25

Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book John 20:30

a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all Col 3:11

and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority Col 2:10

He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together Col 2:10

The Lord God says, “I am the First and the Last, the beginning and the end of all things. I am the All-powerful One Who was and Who is and Who is to come.” Revelation 1:8

How big is your Jesus?

Kicked

 

[Gary]

Gary, thanks for pointing that out. A couple questions come to mind.

So, is "truth" the Bible (a book) or is it the living person of Christ? Do those verses say that Christ who IS all truth is contained or limited to the written Bible? Or, is it possible that Christ who is ALL truth is a living person and he is ALL truth, even the truth that the Bible may not specifically mention?

John 14
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.



And no, I don't believe the truth is limited to the written word.
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[brother Paul]

if paul were to say this in Hebrew .

we have received the power to become sons and daughters of god by the spirit of adoption whereby we cry , abba, father. he would use ben elohe. just saying

Absolutely...we are created directly by God (new creations in Christ) we are the sons of God (partakers of the divine nature, eternal beings)

 

[Edward]

(Edited, ToS 2.4, personal insult, Obadiah.) This is recorded well after, centuries, the Genesis 6 passage. It is a prophetic reading of the king's dream and all Neb's dream is recorded as fulfilled in a number of commentaries and World History Books.

 

[JLB]

But this is stated as an opinion and actually, you are flying it in the face of the scripture that declared all but the eight on the Ark to be dead.

Sir, there is no opinion in this scripture.

4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

Nephilim were produced by the sons of God and the daughters of men, before and after the flood!

No opinion, just scripture!

and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

What's your point?

 

[JLB]

Absolutely...we are created directly by God (new creations in Christ) we are the sons of God (partakers of the divine nature, eternal beings)

:amen

 

[th1b.taylor]

Gen 6:1 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them,

Gen 6:2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.

Gen 6:3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."

Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Gen 6:5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Gen 6:6 The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.


The fourth verse of this passage is, perhaps, the most contested passage in scripture and this condition exists because of a combination of the refusal to commit to a serious study of the Word of God and the general dumbing down of the world. When I was an atheist child I was taught by my Public Education Teachers and my Mom and Dad to pay, strict, attention to the context of any writing. This requires the knowledge of how to learn a thing but the Public School System today specializes in teaching the exams and that, by Rote Memory resulting in two generations of lesser well educated graduates.


In verse 1 we see the subject of this passage is mankind and using a bit of logic it is reasonable that we are about learn about our forefathers. So Man has been, forcefully, ejected from the Garden of Eden and has begun to be a force of himself by numbers. So, context being as important to any story, tale or recounting we must remember we are talking about men when we come to verse 2. Now I've never used the scripture to prove who the sons of God are but have rather gone extra-biblical for ancient Hebrew customs. Since there is no contest on who the daughters of man are I will deal, here, only with the proof the sons of God are not Fallen Angels;

1. Duet. 14:1
   
   
2. Rom. 8:16
   
   
3. Rom. 9:14
   
   
4. Rom. 9:8
   
   
5. Rom. 9:26
   
   
6. Gal. 3:26
   
   
7. 1John 3:1
   

In Verse 3 the subject is for the second time defined or as I point out often, God is highlighting that this is about mankind and not the “man imposed”fallen angels. I have been banned from more web sites than I can count on one hand because of this subject and, who knows, it might not have run it's course yet and I still expect no special consideration from any man because the Bible is divisive and there is nothing I can do about that although modern man seems determined to do so.


And we are at the heart of the matter, “The Nephilim.” These are giant humans. As this matter has not progressed beyond the first paragraph, the subject is still the deeds and sins of mankind. We learn in verse 4 that they, the Nephilim, were in the land in this day and also afterward and it is right here that most people do not pay attention. The Nephilim are not said to come into the daughters of men. The scriptures say the sons of God, men, went into the daughters of man and the scriptures as well as ancient cusom make the sons of God to be created mankind.


A minor matter of consideration but important to avoid venturing into heresy is, “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward.” Noah did not break out his Dodge Ram and run down to the lumber yard for his supplies. And when they began to be gathered, neither did he break out his DeWalt, plug it in and butcher the lumber to his need. No, it took about a hundred years for Noah to build the Ark God required of him. And then there is the proclamation that man's days were 120 years showing that the Ark would float 120 years from this point. So the Nephelim were there after this revelation for 120 years more.


I believe, it's been a long time, that the first I heard of this that made scriptural sense was from the Bible Answer Man, Hank Hanagraph at equip.org, when he explained how angels, fallen or not, had no extension in space and time without God granting them a temporary human body.


Verses 5 and 6 sum up why God is shortening the life span of man and why He is about to charge Noah with building the Ark. In summation, men and women cohabited, just as God had command us to do and they sinned worse, if there is such a standard, than Adam and God was upset. And as Paul Harvey used to say, Now you know the rest of the story.

 

[reba]

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and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

What's your point?

Who on the Ark was a giant... ?

 

[agua.]

That's not my position.

Yeah I know Deb I was just commenting that there was no need for hybrids to be on the Ark if the same atrocity occurred after the flood. After all didn't sin hatch quickly after the flood and we're basically in the same position as in Noah's day ? Angels have probably sinned ( in one way or the other ) pre and post flood the same as us.

 

[agua.]

Reba,
You and Chopper are the jewels on this site. It is so, darn, hard to get these youngster to revire the Word of God and not to abuse it today. We have this and the last generation having been taught by Rote Memory instead of how to analyze and discover and it has contributed so greatly to Satan's influence in the Church Family Structure.

Hey Bill I just want to thank you for calling me a youngster. Makes wanna go ride my bike. :D

 

[reba]

 

[Deborah13]

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Where you out there "Diggin' Up Bones, Exhuming things that's better left alone." and now singing about it?