th1b.taylor
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Okay, wrong post first so excuse the old man and transpose the previous post into this one. You did not read my post in context.
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Angels Do Not Have Sex
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Gary
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Why don't you put this all to rest and post the scripture that specifically states angels are void of any reproductive organs. You keep saying angels don't have sex organs. Prove it using scripture.
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kickedoutofchurch
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Yes! I agree that the spiritual side was NOT affected during the flood of Noah. That was but a TYPE or shadow of Christ where the TRUE flood would happen upon his return/reappearing/unveiling from Revelation. At that time all the TRUE FLESH which is SPIRITUAL would be DESTROYED (really refined and purified of all "darkness" just like natural man) The flood at the end of time is NOT a physical flood, it's a SPIRITUAL flood where Satan's kingdom is finally destroyed.
The one of Noah's time was all physical and natural and it simply pointed or showed us what would happen in the true realm of the spirit. God set a precedent to make us think the one at the end would be physical. God does this to make natural man (who only see's and understands physical things) believe a lie or delusion. That is why most people believe falsely that God will KILL all or most people upon his return. It will not happen. He will destroy the FLESH or all the work of fallen Genesis 1 MALE part of mankind who is Satan.
Brother, I don't have all the answers. i am just like you, searching.
Perhaps to go to the bathroom with? We do know that angels can eat and drink for scripture does tell us so. Scripture also speaks of eating in heaven. Is there plumbing in heaven? Are spiritual bodies 100% efficient and need no plumbing? We don't know yet, lol.
We do know that scripture speaks of honor and obeying. We do know that God wants us to worship and glorify Him of our own free will. It's all throughout. I don't think God wants robots. I think he wants loved. If Angels had sexual organs and yet did honor God and the relationship in that state, wouldn't it mean more than if they had not the capability to do otherwise? If they didn't, then it would be sort of a robotic thing which would probably detract from the honor of the love? Yes?
I do think that the answers which we seek should be gleaned from scripture alone and not some well edumacated mans opinion.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:/(KJV)
Please brother?
Brother, I don't have all the answers. i am just like you, searching.
Perhaps to go to the bathroom with? We do know that angels can eat and drink for scripture does tell us so. Scripture also speaks of eating in heaven. Is there plumbing in heaven? Are spiritual bodies 100% efficient and need no plumbing? We don't know yet, lol.
We do know that scripture speaks of honor and obeying. We do know that God wants us to worship and glorify Him of our own free will. It's all throughout. I don't think God wants robots. I think he wants loved. If Angels had sexual organs and yet did honor God and the relationship in that state, wouldn't it mean more than if they had not the capability to do otherwise? If they didn't, then it would be sort of a robotic thing which would probably detract from the honor of the love? Yes?
I do think that the answers which we seek should be gleaned from scripture alone and not some well edumacated mans opinion.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:/(KJV)
Please brother?
Sorry for the FULL quote here. Just figuring out how to use this software.
Great discussion. I hope we can keep it going and all have an open mind to see what the Word teaches us. I believe we all do here.
I am trying to find specific scripture for this (and can look more later), but I believe our spiritual bodies will have NO NEEDS!
Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. (Rev 21:6)
in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him (Rev 22:2-3)
All bodily needs will be 100% supplied by God himself via the tree of life.
Our new bodies be the very spiritual body of Christ himself fully supplied all it's needs directly from God. Think about it. Now, in our fallen, natural bodies we have to eat, breathe, drink water and the body processes these IMPURE things and takes out just the PURE elements in them for us to use. Then, it expels the impurities. These impurities only exist in this still fallen, natural world. However, when the creations are fully merged and reconciled and we are "in" Heaven there will be NO impurities as there is NOTHING impure in GOD. All our needs such as food, water, etc. will NOT be needed as God himself will provide all these things in a 100% pure way with NO waste.
Now, will he still allow us to enjoy food? I believe so as a pleasurable thing. However, I believe there will be NO waste as the food will also be 100% pure because all sin, death and decay will have been removed from all particles and all atoms. I have a very scientific mind and have thought about these things a bit.
Now, what about reproduction?I would LOVE to share what I have found but this would go on for a long time.
I will say that Jesus said that we will not "marry" or be "given in marriage". Was he talking "physical" marriage between a husband and a wife? Or was he speaking spiritual words meaning his bride (us- our spirit and soul) and him (the bridegroom or "master" spirit)? Remember, true believers are "married" to him meaning their spirit and soul is ONE with his Spirit. Earthly marriage is but a shadow or a "type" or pointer to the TRUE marriage which is Christ and his bride or our human spirit (and soul) with the Spirit of Christ. Personally, I believe Earthly marriage is an attempt to repair the "fall" or the division of Adam with the other half of his Earthly "soul" who is Eve. Remember, they were "ONE" just like a perfect marriage. However, Satan deceived Eve and separated them. (I could share so much more on this that is very exciting and back it all up with scripture if anyone was interested) Once Adam and Eve were ejected from the "Garden" or Heavenly realm they were forever trying to "rejoin" themselves in the union they had before they were deceived and separated. This is natural man searching for his "soul" mate in a woman and vice-versa. Natural man will always feel incomplete until he finds his earthly wife. However, this is ONLY A TYPE of the TRUE search that is going on in his HEART for his TRUE husband (I know this sounds weird to a guy!) who is CHRIST! Man's search for an earthly wife is really a longing of the TRUE search in his spirit man or "heart" for the completion of him who is CHRIST!Sorry to go on so much. I am just so excited to share this. It's so powerful to see how the things of Earth are really just "examples" or pointers or "signs" to the true Heavenly or SPIRITUAL things who ARE Christ himself!
God bless guys.
kicked (outofchurch)
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The scripture does not say Fallen Angels or Satan.
The New Testament refers to them as sons is God, angels, spirits.
Lewis
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Why would Spirits be made with sex organs, there is no specific Scripture that comes right out and says hey angels don't have sex organs. But Jesus did say it when He said that they don't marry. I am going to post this link; you can read it and if you don't agree' I don't have anymore rap for you on this subject.
The idea that the Sons of Elohim were angels comes largely from the book of Enoch, which is rejected by Jewish and Christian scholars alike. This book was written shortly after 200 B.C.E. The pseudonymous author doubtlessly received this notion from Greek mythology. -
To be clear ... Angels can not procreate with humans
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread977299/pg1#sthash.LxdFRHTd.dpuf
Are Giants Half-Angel, Half-Human? Did Angels Breed With Women?
http://kenraggio.com/KR-Giants-And-Angels-Breeding.html
This one I don't like but I am posting it anyway for another point of view' I think this teacher is a sicko too.
Understanding Angels in the Bible. Part 9 Are Angels Sexless Invisible Spiritual Beings?
http://agapegeek.com/2012/01/09/und...re-angels-sexless-invisible-spiritual-beings/
TOG
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Wait are we seriously debating whether angels have genitals????
Well, if you put it that way, I admit it sounds weird... well... okay, it is weird. But at least we're not debating it in Klingon.
The TOG
Claudya
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Edward
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It is very strange brothers and sisters! I had a very hard time digesting this at first. It goes against all sensibilities, nevertheless, i continued to read about it and seen a lot of scriptures about it which point to the same conclusion. Many have not been posted here. As a matter of fact, I ran across a video where a credible pastor discusses this very subject and has backed everything up with scripture. So rather than write a long diatribe about this here, I will simply post this video for you consideration. Have paper & pen handy to copy the scriptures down so that you can research this afterward. The video is only 28 minutes long and gets into a lot of meat of the subject. Matthew 24, Daniel, the book of Numbers...many scriptures. Enjoy.
Wait are we seriously debating whether angels have genitals????
Does anyone thinks it's weird that the prairie cats can talk! Freeeaaaakkkyyy!
JLB
You have a lot of links to other peoples commentary, what you don't have is:
A.] Answers to my questions.
B.] Any scripture that say's it is impossible for angels to appear or manifest as men.
C.] Any genealogy from the Bible that shows where a son of man begat a son of God.
D.] All of the above.
JLB
Gary
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Then this thread has been a tremendous waste of space. If you're personal opinions can't be substantiated through scripture then what you're bringing to the table is extra-biblical in nature and should not be trusted.
As for what Jesus said, let's have a look.
Luke 20
34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.
35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;
36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Jesus was explaining that there is no sin in heaven. Adultery is a sin.
He also goes on to explain that we become "equal" to the angels. He doesn't say we become angels, only that we are "equal" to them.
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brother Paul
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Matthew 22:30 – is always the point of contention which says “For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.”
Now exegete and do not eisegete…this passage says absolutely NOTHING about sexual intercourse or one’s ability to have or not have intercourse nor does it IMPLY anything about one being neuter gender.
All through the Bible we are reminded that there are instances where people have sexual intercourse outside of marriage so a reference to marriage does not preclude or equal having or not having sexual intercourse.
The subject of the passage speaks of people not angels. The passage says that “in the resurrection” they neither marry nor (as in the case of a woman) are “GIVEN” in marriage….but are as the angels “IN HEAVEN”
So again this says nothing about what angels not in heaven or that have been cast out of heaven may or may not do or are capable or not capable of doing when manifest in human form. When angels appear as a man, there is nothing anywhere in scripture to suggest they are not manifest in the form of actual men.
In our glorified state in the resurrection we will experience such fulfillment and such joy and pleasure (forever more) that anything sexuality could offer will pale in comparison.
Now one final point and I will be glad to handle rebuttals, I assume everyone here believes the New Jerusalem in the New Heavens and New Earth happens AFTER the resurrection (I could be incorrect) but if so then one must consider what Isaiah 65 speaks to this point…please read…
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice forever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labor in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of theLord, and their offspring with them.
Their offspring? So what we see here is that people will be able to procreate in the time of the New Heavens and the New Earth…whether they would want ot or not is a separate issue but they surely will be CAPABLE…
In His love
brother Paul
Now exegete and do not eisegete…this passage says absolutely NOTHING about sexual intercourse or one’s ability to have or not have intercourse nor does it IMPLY anything about one being neuter gender.
All through the Bible we are reminded that there are instances where people have sexual intercourse outside of marriage so a reference to marriage does not preclude or equal having or not having sexual intercourse.
The subject of the passage speaks of people not angels. The passage says that “in the resurrection” they neither marry nor (as in the case of a woman) are “GIVEN” in marriage….but are as the angels “IN HEAVEN”
So again this says nothing about what angels not in heaven or that have been cast out of heaven may or may not do or are capable or not capable of doing when manifest in human form. When angels appear as a man, there is nothing anywhere in scripture to suggest they are not manifest in the form of actual men.
In our glorified state in the resurrection we will experience such fulfillment and such joy and pleasure (forever more) that anything sexuality could offer will pale in comparison.
Now one final point and I will be glad to handle rebuttals, I assume everyone here believes the New Jerusalem in the New Heavens and New Earth happens AFTER the resurrection (I could be incorrect) but if so then one must consider what Isaiah 65 speaks to this point…please read…
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice forever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labor in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of theLord, and their offspring with them.
Their offspring? So what we see here is that people will be able to procreate in the time of the New Heavens and the New Earth…whether they would want ot or not is a separate issue but they surely will be CAPABLE…
In His love
brother Paul
Lewis
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I have shown you a lot of stuff with the links that provided at first, have you read them, I don't think so, this is my view and how I feel I will not let you keep asking me for some type of Scripture proof, because I have posted it already, posting information that says exactly how I view the Scriptures on this subject. So some of the links that I have posted can explain certain things better than I so I posted them. You have to look at the whole big picture of the Bible. I don't like arguing online anymore, I did that a enough when I was a mod here for 7 years. If you don't agree with how I feel about this subject there is certainly nothing that I can do about that. I just keep it moving. Below is just how I feel about this topic it explains it for me well. So I will post it one more time.
There were NO extraterrestrial relations, and 1st Corinthians 15:39,40 proves it...
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
This Scripture passage plainly states that men are men, animals are animals, fish are fish, birds are birds, and angels are angels. There is not one Scriptural reference which would even remotely lead us to believe that angels and humans ever had sex. Jesus plainly stated in Mark 12:25 concerning the departed saints... "For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven." I think this Scripture verse is self-explanatory. Carefully notice that Genesis 6:2 states... "and they took them wives of all which they chose." Mark 12:25 says that angels cannot marry; but Genesis 6:2 says that the sons of God married the daughters of men. Clearly there would be a serious contradiction in the Scriptures here IF the sons of God were angels.
The idea that angels had sexual relations with earthly women is preposterous. As one can imagine, such speculation in the Scriptures provides ample opportunity for the heathen world to exploit the Scriptures. Countless books, movies, documentaries, and false religions have exploited such misinterpretations of Genesis 6:1-6. One such exploit is the alleged lost Biblical BOOK OF ENOCH, which teaches that fallen angels had physical intimacy with earthly women that produced offspring 450-feet tall? I don't think so! Without a doubt, the primary claim of the Book of Enoch is that fallen angels had sex with human women and produced 450-feet tall giants upon the earth. This teaching is ridiculous, unscriptural, and has no solid evidence to support it (Biblically or scientifically). This is another good reason why the Book of Enoch should continue to be rejected. It is nonsense.
Further Evidences that Angels and Women DIDN'T Marry
If, as some theologians believe (including the mighty Bible teacher Dr. M.R. DeHaan), angels did have sex with earthly women, then why has it not occurred since Genesis 6:1-6? The Scriptures are not silent on this matter, as we have read in Mark 12:25, for "they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven." The demonic succubus (a female demon) and the incubus (a male demon) are believed by Satanists to have sex with sleeping humans. Of course, this is not a Scriptural teaching. Angels cannot marry, nor be given in marriage.
Also, why didn't God mention any punishment for the angels in Genesis? Genesis 6:7 states... "And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them." "Angels" are NOT mentioned. Surely God would have been very angry with a group of angels that defiled his creation, bringing it to ruin.
In addition, the entire suggestion that God allowed angels, which would have possessed FULL knowledge of divine realities, to tempt mankind is against the plainest teachings of the Scriptures. 1st Corinthians 10:13 states... "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." It would have been extremely UNCOMMON for women to be tempted by angels into marriage, not to mention the fact that the temptation would have been ABOVE THAT YE ARE ABLE.
We do know that there were giants in the Old Testament, as Goliath himself was 9' 6" tall (1st Samuel 17:4); however, as mentioned earlier, Genesis 6:1-6 fails to state directly that the "giants" of those days were the offspring monsters of bizarre extraterrestrial marriages. Carefully notice Genesis 6:4 again... "There were giants in the earth in those days; and ALSO AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." "Also" means in addition to. "After that" means later. Clearly, even from reading the Bible at a childlike level, it is obvious that the "giants" were not the same people as the "mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
There were NO extraterrestrial relations, and 1st Corinthians 15:39,40 proves it...
All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds. 40 There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
1 Corinthians 15:39-40
Where in these two verses that you say "proves" it, does it say no extraterrestrial relations?
It says there are celestial bodies And terrestrial bodies.
Not one word or phrase about " no relations".
Please explain how these human sons of God survived thd flood and continued to produce Nephilim.
JLB
Deborah13
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th1b.taylor
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I pray this will break the present light hearted Tom-Foolery and will get the minds that are presently being led by Satan back onto the subject at hand. Matt. 22:30 is the address for those foolish enough to ignore God's warnings against doing just that.
Lewis, if the avatar is you, just as mine is of me singing the old pentecostal hymn, We Shall See The King. Assuming it is you. you're a wise young man, I like that. It does not mean we will or must always agree so feel free to sharpen my sword on yours, brother of mine.
Now, in this passage we find that a man will not know his wife, Jesus language for no Hanky Panky after hours. (I really need to get that dying old carcass off my back and stop sinning.) We will not only rule the angels, we will be as they are. Ängels do not need to number one and they do not have sex with one another, what a filthy idea you guys have refused, thus far to publish, but how can any person that has an Eighth Grade or better Education, possibly not see the logical extension down to this perversion.
This is one of the nastier types of discussion a Christian can engage in but I will teach the truth that you will gain no favor in heaven for not believing the scriptures as unquestionable truth. Having, in the past, actively sought after the nastiest of the Lost, I am familiar with discussions falling to this level but you gents claim to follow and to be the Bond Slaves of Jesus, the Christ.
I have the authority given me by my LORD and so it is I plead with you, sin no more.
Lewis, if the avatar is you, just as mine is of me singing the old pentecostal hymn, We Shall See The King. Assuming it is you. you're a wise young man, I like that. It does not mean we will or must always agree so feel free to sharpen my sword on yours, brother of mine.
Now, in this passage we find that a man will not know his wife, Jesus language for no Hanky Panky after hours. (I really need to get that dying old carcass off my back and stop sinning.) We will not only rule the angels, we will be as they are. Ängels do not need to number one and they do not have sex with one another, what a filthy idea you guys have refused, thus far to publish, but how can any person that has an Eighth Grade or better Education, possibly not see the logical extension down to this perversion.
This is one of the nastier types of discussion a Christian can engage in but I will teach the truth that you will gain no favor in heaven for not believing the scriptures as unquestionable truth. Having, in the past, actively sought after the nastiest of the Lost, I am familiar with discussions falling to this level but you gents claim to follow and to be the Bond Slaves of Jesus, the Christ.
I have the authority given me by my LORD and so it is I plead with you, sin no more.