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Animals as food.....

RockyVanRen said:
Not nice. :grumpy. Explain so that we can understand your side.
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I agreed with him. What is there to explain? My "side" is that it is perfectly acceptable to strive for peace with all men.
The OP asked about God's permission to eat meat, "Yes, in Genesis 9, God did give the animals to be eaten...but, was that just a "temporary" thing...something to keep Noah and the others alive until they could plant crops and harvest them?"

If one of us takes the position that in order to better show God's programme of redemption and how it works to defeat all of death we would do well to consider abstainence --- then I have no problem with that. Let that ones' voice be heard. If, on the other hand we don't feel that that is the way to best (or even a necessary way) to show God's plan, then also fine -- let that one eat meat. There is no sin. My only point is that sometimes when we focus on the trees we lose sight of the forest and the best way to show God's plan would be to love each other as we love ourselves and follow the Royal Law (also known as the Golden Rule) when speaking amongst each other.
 
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I have some of these right now, I kid you not, and they are hot and spicy,
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RockyVanRen said:
So no recipe… Seafood is the only thing I’m not proficient in.
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I do cook them myself also, I use crab seasoning very hot, hot sauce, not that kid sauce. And I also use seeded hot peppers. The secret is in the stirring. Stirring them until they are done will move the seasoned juice through out the crabs body. If you do not stir often the crabs will taste plain. Oh I almost forgot when done sprinkle crabs with some Old Bay.
 
crab hater.lol.

i'm not big on crab. i wish that shrimp farm was still around. man 1 ft long shrimp would be something to munch on. of course those cant be realised into the wild here in florida. non-native species but they do reside from where l'chante is from. south africa!!!!
 
RockyVanRen said:
My stance on that particular passage in Acts is that if it were only geared toward teaching that the Gentiles were now acceptable a different vision would have been given; maybe a mixed market place or something else only involving people.
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This seems like an unreasonable expectation. The kosher food law were one of the primary modes by which Jews distinguished themselves from their pagan neighbours - those who ate "unclean" animals were seen as outsiders. Accordingly, it makes perfect sense for God to teach Peter that Gentiles (those who did not follow the kosher food laws) by making the point that all animals are now considered clean.

RockyVanRen said:
If the vision only involved bringing all people into the family why would God confuse the message with reference to food?
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Well, that is the nature of an "allegory". The book "Animal Farm" represents a society of farmyard animals and their relationships and actions. However, it is clear that this book is an allegory - it tells us something about early 20th century Russia through the vehicle of a story which only appears to be about animals.

You seem to be suggesting that Scriptural truth cannot be communicated to us by the means of such literary devices. I suggest the Scriptural record suggests otherwise.

RockyVanRen said:
After loosing twenty five pounds and being tired all the time it was my beautiful and wonderful wife that brought me a hamburger.
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Well, you were not doing it right. It is clearly possible to live healthfully as a vegetarian.

Again, I am not suggesting that we are not "permitted" to eat meat. What I am suggesting is that abstaining from meat can be used to "tell a story to the wider world" - a story of a God who is engaged in a program of redemption whereby death of all forms is in the process of being defeated.

The Christian is called to engage in a wide range of behaviours that will testify to what God is doing in the world.
 
warfrog said:
Actually it does make sence, Paul clearly said all things regarding meat and drink are pure before the Lord, sexual immorality isnt because we know this through scripture, in fact the hypothetical representation you just brought up crumbles right off that point.
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You are not understanding Paul's teaching in it context. He is making an argument about the Jew-Gentile divide, and how it has been dissolved. His argument is that the kosher food laws are no longer in force - he is not advocating the eating of meat. To say that all foods are "pure" is not to say "eat whatever you want" - it is a tightly focused critique of those who fail to understand that the Law of Moses no longer functions to divide humanity into two camps - Jews who do not eat certain foods, and Gentiles who have no such restrictions.

This is about the family of God and how the kosher food laws, if still followed, will only serve to erect divisions within it. It is not an endorsement of meat-eating.

This the problem with "atomistic" exegesis of the Scriptures -seeing the Bible as a laundry list of "do's and don't" while not paying attention to the controlling narrative. The relevant theme here is this:

1. Before Jesus, Jews were instructed to abstain from certain foods, specifically in order to mark themselves out as distinct from Gentiles - this is clearly spelled out in Leviticus 20.

2. With the work of Jesus, who takes on the role of Israel and fulfills her commission to be the light of the world, the special status of Israel as a distinct people has come to an end.

3. As a result, all the elements of the Law of Moses which signified Israel's unique status have been rendered obsolete -the Gentile is now to be seen as just as much a member of the new covenant people as the Jew.

4. One of these is food. All these New Testament teachings about "all animals" being pure constitute the perfect rhetorical means to drive home the real point: -the Gentiles are to be considered as now incorporated into the family of God. This point is there in spades in Romans as well as Galatians.

So, you see, the teaching about meat is not really Paul (or Jesus) saying "I approve of your eating meat". It is instead an appropriately Biblical way of saying that the old categories of "Jew" and "Gentile" no longer apply.
 
On the contrary Jason, I LOVE me some crab. But shrimp that large… I have never heard of them. Oh such wonder and (giggle) tastiness. I’ll have to investigate these creatures for my possible menu. :study

Ok Drew, it’s all good. We have reached the pretty much the same conclusion about meat. If I’m wrong please let me know. As for the vegetarian diet… My wife and I ate the same food but I ate about double the amount (I’m just about double her size). I even slipped in some non-vegetarian foods. My body, apparently, needs meat. It's a good thing I love meat :adore
 
Drew said:
You are not understanding Paul's teaching in it context. He is making an argument about the Jew-Gentile divide, and how it has been dissolved. His argument is that the kosher food laws are no longer in force - he is not advocating the eating of meat. To say that all foods are "pure" is not to say "eat whatever you want" - it is a tightly focused critique of those who fail to understand that the Law of Moses no longer functions to divide humanity into two camps - Jews who do not eat certain foods, and Gentiles who have no such restrictions.

This is about the family of God and how the kosher food laws, if still followed, will only serve to erect divisions within it. It is not an endorsement of meat-eating.

This the problem with "atomistic" exegesis of the Scriptures -seeing the Bible as a laundry list of "do's and don't" while not paying attention to the controlling narrative. The relevant theme here is this:

1. Before Jesus, Jews were instructed to abstain from certain foods, specifically in order to mark themselves out as distinct from Gentiles - this is clearly spelled out in Leviticus 20.

2. With the work of Jesus, who takes on the role of Israel and fulfills her commission to be the light of the world, the special status of Israel as a distinct people has come to an end.

3. As a result, all the elements of the Law of Moses which signified Israel's unique status have been rendered obsolete -the Gentile is now to be seen as just as much a member of the new covenant people as the Jew.

4. One of these is food. All these New Testament teachings about "all animals" being pure constitute the perfect rhetorical means to drive home the real point: -the Gentiles are to be considered as now incorporated into the family of God. This point is there in spades in Romans as well as Galatians.

So, you see, the teaching about meat is not really Paul (or Jesus) saying "I approve of your eating meat". It is instead an appropriately Biblical way of saying that the old categories of "Jew" and "Gentile" no longer apply.
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He is advocating the eating of meat, in fact He is advocating through Paul all things are pure before the Lord.

It is the heart that is being given account, if i love my brother and my brother can stumble because i eat whatever i eat infront of him and he struggles with it, then why would I being a servant of the Lord and a brother who loves continue in the possibility of destroying Gods work.
I love my brother so for that sake alone i would not cause a stumbling block, because I know this creates peace and righteousness and joy in the Holy Spirit.

You do not understand because you do not understand love.
Love does not have a boundary set between it, love produces peace on all accords.
Love is not chastising your brethren who does not at that time agree with you, love is long suffering and patient and love looks forward not backwards on a brethren.
Perhaps that brother himself will one day do the exact same act you have just shown him when He reveals to him that all things are pure before the Lord, but until that time be loving do not destroy your brethren and bring peace, righteousness and joy in the Holy Spirit.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
you cant get them in the u.s but let me look for you and post that name of shrimp species as if i didnt see them in person i would doubt any story of them.

tiger shrimp!
 
Jason, I believed you but I thought you might have exaggerated the size. I apologize and thank you for teaching me something new. Does it taste the same as the small shrimp?
 
RockyVanRen said:
Jason, I believed you but I thought you might have exaggerated the size. I apologize and thank you for teaching me something new. Does it taste the same as the small shrimp?
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my coworker who reasearched how to farm that bad boy said far better with butter! and they had them fried, grilled and what ever you could imagine. i was working on a friends car who worked at that farm when i saw then in the pools and them moving them around.
 
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