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Animals as food.....

Drew said:
Not sure what your point is. I trust it is not "since Isaac asks for meat, this shows that God wants Christians to eat meat"?

David pursued an adulterous affair with another man's wife.

Does that mean God wants me to do that?
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The 'world' surely has a great sense of God's Matt. 4:4's 'COMPLETE DIET', huh?:screwloose
Unclean is now ok, fermented is good, a little sin is nothing to 'shun', just EAT DRINK and be merry' for we are all under grace! .. [WAY UNDER!]
Obad. 1:16 finds a Christ God that NEVER CHANGES! Heb. 13:7-9! But note that these ones were once upon the 'Hill of God'! (Matt. 7:22)

--Elijah
 
Elijah674 said:
The 'world' surely has a great sense of God's Matt. 4:4's 'COMPLETE DIET', huh?:screwloose
Unclean is now ok, fermented is good, a little sin is nothing to 'shun', just EAT DRINK and be merry' for we are all under grace! .. [WAY UNDER!]
Obad. 1:16 finds a Christ God that NEVER CHANGES! Heb. 13:7-9! But note that these ones were once upon the 'Hill of God'! (Matt. 7:22)

--Elijah
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Man does not live by bread alone. We do survive by the Word of God, it is the Word that has brought us into being.

Acts:15:23: And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Acts:15:24: Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Acts:15:25: It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Acts:15:26: Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts:15:27: We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
Acts:15:28: For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Acts:15:29: That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
 
ronniechoate34 said:
Man does not live by bread alone. We do survive by the Word of God, it is the Word that has brought us into being.

Acts:15:23: And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Acts:15:24: Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Acts:15:25: It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Acts:15:26: Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts:15:27: We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
Acts:15:28: For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Acts:15:29: That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
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Are you teachable forum????
Were [ALL] of these men only Clean food eaters + 7th Day Sabbath keepers? And Acts 15's [DOCUMENTATION] has a verse 1 + 5 that consider's the [ONLY] thing that was considered.

'Except ye be circumcised [after the manner of Moses], [ye cannot BE SAVED].' Got that?? Well verse 5 again says the exact same thing! And you tell God that He is talking about what??

Verse 5 ibid.
'But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which [believed], saying, [THAT IT WAS NEEDFUL TO CIRCUMCISE THEM AND TO KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES.]'
(And the clean & the unclean were even before the flood, + the Godhead's 7th Day Sabbath!!)

And the DECREE?? Verse 22-24 and verse 24..
'Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us, [have troubled you with words, SUBVERTING YOUR SOULS, SAYING, YE MUST BE CIRCUMCISED, AND KEEP THE LAW: (of MOSES in verse 5) to which we gave no such commandment.'

One might learn a little about what God spake to His very own from creation on, long before any 'Jews' stomach came on the scene! Gen. 26:5 And what the Jer. 17:5 & the Rev. 17:1-5 ones teach will soon enough find them.. 'AS THOUGH THEY HAD NEVER BEEN.' Obad. 1:16

I suggest that one read the last of Rev. 22's few verses of God's Word of WARNING before they try to put different Words into His Book.

--Elijah

PS: None of these laws in verse 5 are Moses Laws.

Gen.26
[1] And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar.
[2] And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
[3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
[4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
[5] Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
 
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I believe that the commandmendts of God are awesome and I do rever them greatly. There's life in them and they can not be destroyed. They are the ways of God and in them is strength and knowledge.


Romans:4:1: What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Romans:4:2: For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Romans:4:3: For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
 
Elijah674 said:
Are you teachable forum????
Were [ALL] of these men only Clean food eaters + 7th Day Sabbath keepers? And Acts 15's [DOCUMENTATION] has a verse 1 + 5 that consider's the [ONLY] thing that was considered.

'Except ye be circumcised [after the manner of Moses], [ye cannot BE SAVED].' Got that?? Well verse 5 again says the exact same thing! And you tell God that He is talking about what??

Verse 5 ibid.
'But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which [believed], saying, [THAT IT WAS NEEDFUL TO CIRCUMCISE THEM AND TO KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES.]'
(And the clean & the unclean were even before the flood, + the Godhead's 7th Day Sabbath!!)

And the DECREE?? Verse 22-24 and verse 24..
'Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us, [have troubled you with words, SUBVERTING YOUR SOULS, SAYING, YE MUST BE CIRCUMCISED, AND KEEP THE LAW: (of MOSES in verse 5) to which we gave no such commandment.'

One might learn a little about what God spake to His very own from creation on, long before any 'Jews' stomach came on the scene! Gen. 26:5 And what the Jer. 17:5 & the Rev. 17:1-5 ones teach will soon enough find them.. 'AS THOUGH THEY HAD NEVER BEEN.' Obad. 1:16

I suggest that one read the last of Rev. 22's few verses of God's Word of WARNING before they try to put different Words into His Book.

--Elijah

PS: None of these laws in verse 5 are Moses Laws.

Gen.26
[1] And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar.
[2] And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
[3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
[4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
[5] Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
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OK NOW!;) Me again with [NOTHING PERSONAL MEANT!] We are told that in these last days [KNOWLEDGE] would be INCREASED! (Dan. 12:4) Then we see Hosea 4:6 with a warning to not 'REJECT KNOWLEDGE'. (and to be rejected by God is not talking about 'only health issues!')

So just ask yourself what we know about being overweight + high cholesterol..
and eggs + cheese? Not only for ourselves, but the ones that we love?? Kids & all.

--Elijah
 
handy said:
I saw this by Drew on the "Animal Rights" thread, and decided it was a topic all it's own and made this thread...

I know that some Christians do indeed believe, in spite of Genesis 9, that it is sin to eat animals.

Yes, in Genesis 9, God did give the animals to be eaten...but, was that just a "temporary" thing...something to keep Noah and the others alive until they could plant crops and harvest them?

Since God created all as vegetarians...animals included...doesn't it stand to reason that, although it is permitted to eat them...it is better to follow God's original plan and be vegetarian?
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I have not read this thread, but I do have a thought:

His plan was also for a naked humanity - should we follow His original plan and go nude when it's warm enough to?

This is my way of saying, "Grill me a burger!" :thumbsup
 
Genesis 9 is the post-flood Convenant of Noah.

We know very little about the pre-flood world in the Bible except what Christ revealed to Moses for us to know. It appears man probably ate meat right after the fall. In Genesis 4 we four we find that Able was a rancher, he tended the flocks. We find that Cain was a farmer, he tilled the ground. Let's not forget Moses is the author.

We know from Moses that when an animal was sacrificed it was not a blood-drenched frenzy like the pagans. It has always been the symbolic atoning blood of Christ. Through Moses we know God expected the sacrifice to be consumed and not wasted. I have a feeling if God's expectation of consuming the sacrifice was not in effect then, Moses would have told us. So it is implied.

In the ancient language of no known source that linguists scientists call by three names the paleo-hebrew, the proto-canaanite, the phoencian is the original Aleph-Bet. In that writing the symbol/letter the shin, where our letter S comes from, is associated with consume, eat & core symbol/letter for sacrifice. Again implied.

We find in Genesis 3:21 That God Himself covered Adam & Eve with animal skins at the fall of man, right before He expelled them from the Garden. This one simple line implies tons since the author is Moses. It doesn't say which animal, but we know the significant animal for sacrifice has alwaya been the lamb. Adam's son the rancher Able sacrificed a perfect lamb. So it is implied God Himself sacrificed a lamb for the sin of Adam & Eve. We know it was animal skin, not tanned cure leather, which would have been boiled & purified through the tanning process. It was animal skin, which even if dried & cured would have still contain blood, symbolizing covering Adam & Eve with the Blood of the Lamb from the beginning by the sacrifice God Himself made in the beginning. Knowing God's expectation of consuming the sacrifice Adam & Eve probably had to eat as well. Which explains Abels profession & sacrifice.

So, Odds are mankind has been eating animal since the fall.
 
1 Timothy 4.3 indicates that there would be those who would depart from the faith who would arise and try to command to abstain from meats.

But if people simply don't like the taste, without trying to make it a rule for other people, this is a different matter altogether.
 
farouk said:
1 Timothy 4.3 indicates that there would be those who would depart from the faith who would arise and try to command to abstain from meats.

But if people simply don't like the taste, without trying to make it a rule for other people, this is a different matter altogether.
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Excellent point farouk
 
farouk said:
1 Timothy 4.3 indicates that there would be those who would depart from the faith who would arise and try to command to abstain from meats.

But if people simply don't like the taste, without trying to make it a rule for other people, this is a different matter altogether.
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Yes, this is worth repeating so that's why I'm quoting you over again.

I'll make a wager, however. When it sounds like you or I say it, we are understood clearly enough by the non-meat eaters to the point of their being offended just because we eat meats. But when we quote the bible saying the same thing, you'll see someone come on here and reinterpret it to tell us all why to "abstain from meats" means something else altogether. Incredible.

But in all fairness, the last few posters sound like they would not mind if I turned on my grill tonight. I think the rest may have left.
 
tim-from-pa said:
Yes, this is worth repeating so that's why I'm quoting you over again.

I'll make a wager, however. When it sounds like you or I say it, we are understood clearly enough by the non-meat eaters to the point of their being offended just because we eat meats. But when we quote the bible saying the same thing, you'll see someone come on here and reinterpret it to tell us all why to "abstain from meats" means something else altogether. Incredible.

But in all fairness, the last few posters sound like they would not mind if I turned on my grill tonight. I think the rest may have left.
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Hey 'healty ones'?:thumbsup This VEG guy does not wager either;)! And another 'serious' mistake is the attempting of the reading of another heart?? me at least, as about being 'offened' because as you say... 'we eat meats'!

What ones convictions are is between them & their Rom. 8:14 of being Led of God, but that applies to me also, so don't judge me, ok? but watch your own bobber!:study;) 1 Cor. 3:16-18 does 'teach me' to not.. 'defile the temple of God, or that God will destroy me'. And from this end, 'i' (personally) find eating & drinking some things not being Faith, but presumption. Psalms 19:13

My only concern is for those who 'know' + care enough. 1 Cor. 3:16-18, Hosea 4:6 + Dan. 12:4.

--Elijah
 
Elijah674 said:
Hey 'healty ones'?:thumbsup This VEG guy does not wager either;)! And another 'serious' mistake is the attempting of the reading of another heart?? me at least, as about being 'offened' because as you say... 'we eat meats'!

What ones convictions are is between them & their Rom. 8:14 of being Led of God, but that applies to me also, so don't judge me, ok? but watch your own bobber!:study;) 1 Cor. 3:16-18 does 'teach me' to not.. 'defile the temple of God, or that God will destroy me'. And from this end, 'i' (personally) find eating & drinking some things not being Faith, but presumption. Psalms 19:13

My only concern is for those who 'know' + care enough. 1 Cor. 3:16-18, Hosea 4:6 + Dan. 12:4.

--Elijah
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No, I'm not judging you, but maybe a little despising :lol instead. Paul warned not to despise others because they do not eat meats. I guess that's because those who do the despising figure that those who do not eat meats do the judging, actually.

Let's face it. I am somewhat intuitive where a person is coming from, and one cannot deny that the non-meat eaters have an air of "holier than thou" and convolute the word of God into saying something it does not say. This is not an issue of personal preference I am talking about. This is an issue where one group wants to impose to the other and in this case, the meat-eaters are on the defensive here.

So, as Romans 14:3 says, I'll try not to despise that position if the other side does not judge me. Understand, I am only human, and when I see persuasive non-meat eating Christians, I naturally (even if wrong) assoicate them with the likes of the Obama's, the medical establishment, the greeners and all sorts that hold similar dogmatic principles where we should not eat meat even if they are all wrong. :lol

Oh, and don't forget to read the verse before the one I mentioned as well. Don't take it up with me --- it's God's word in spite of the world having you believe the opposite.
 
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