Another Perspective on this Temple Issue

[Ryan]

The veil from the temple was 60 feet long, 30 feet wide and 3 feet thick. It was likened as a garment in Jewish writings and there was a custom in the bible called keriah. Jacob and David both rended their garments during times of mourning.

Genesis 37:34
So Jacob tore his clothes, and put sackcloth on his loins and mourned for his son many days.

2 Samuel 1:11
Then David took hold of his clothes and tore them, and so also did all the men who were with him.

Is it any wonder why the moment Jesus tied, the veil was rent from top to bottom? The Father was mourning and heartbroken by the death of His Son.

http://yadbyad.messengers-of-messiah.org/rending/rending.htm

 

[for_his_glory]

Please explain this statement with scripture.

This was Ezra rebuilding the literal Temple, but also prophetic of the Spiritual Temple making it ready for Messiah to return.


Thanks JLB

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Like I said one Temple is literal as in an actual building of the Temple and the other is we who are the Spiritual temple whom the Holy Spirit dwells in.

 

[for_his_glory]

Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
Thoughts? on the veil? on the tearing of it? would a veil 'today' hold a place holy?

This is my take: A veil conceals that which is behind it and as it is torn in half what was hidden is now exposed. Like our sin, it was hidden unto to us until it was revealed to us.

 

[reba]

Where in a future temple will be a holy place?

 

[Edward]

This is my take: A veil conceals that which is behind it and as it is torn in half what was hidden is now exposed. Like our sin, it was hidden unto to us until it was revealed to us.

Right. and is a separation between God and us.
But not anymore because of our loving saviour Jesus!

 

[JLB]

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Like I said one Temple is literal as in an actual building of the Temple and the other is we who are the Spiritual temple whom the Holy Spirit dwells in.

I am very familiar with those scriptures, but how do they connect to Daniel 9:24-27.

There is no building a spiritual temple mentioned in Daniel 9:24-27.

Daniel 9:24-27 is "your people and your holy city"

That means Jews and Jerusalem.


JLB

 

[reba]

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

 

[JLB]

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Abraham was a Gentile.

 

[Deborah13]

I am very familiar with those scriptures, but how do they connect to Daniel 9:24-27.

There is no building a spiritual temple mentioned in Daniel 9:24-27.

Daniel 9:24-27 is "your people and your holy city"

That means Jews and Jerusalem.


JLB

What made the city 'holy'?

 

[JLB]

What made the city 'holy'?

God declared it holy, when He said these words out of the mouth of Gabriel The angel -

Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city...


JLB

 

[reba]

What city is holy?

 

[JLB]

What city is holy?

The city referred to in Daniel 9:24

 

[for_his_glory]

I am very familiar with those scriptures, but how do they connect to Daniel 9:24-27.

There is no building a spiritual temple mentioned in Daniel 9:24-27.

Daniel 9:24-27 is "your people and your holy city"

That means Jews and Jerusalem.


JLB

I said the prophetic of the literal Temple is also that of the Spiritual temple. Gods word is literal and Spiritual thus what I posted in first and second Corinthians to show the difference.

 

[for_his_glory]

Abraham was a Gentile.

Am I missing something as scripture says Abraham was a Hebrew


Gen 14:13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.

 

[JLB]

Am I missing something as scripture says Abraham was a Hebrew


Gen 14:13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.

Hebrew is a reference which comes from the tribe of Eber.

There was no such thing as Jews when Abraham was alive.

And you shall answer and say before the Lord your God: 'My father was a Syrian, about to perish, and he went down to Egypt and dwelt there, few in number; and there he became a nation, great, mighty, and populous. Deuteronomy 26:5

Abraham was a Gentile.
A father of many nations.

Nations in Hebrew is a reference to Gentiles.

JLB

 

[JLB]

I said the prophetic of the literal Temple is also that of the Spiritual temple. Gods word is literal and Spiritual thus what I posted in first and second Corinthians to show the difference.

Could you show me the prophetic implication in Daniel 9:24-27 whereby God is building a spiritual temple?

Thanks JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

Could you show me the prophetic implication in Daniel 9:24-27 whereby God is building a spiritual temple?

Thanks JLB

I think I already did, but apparently you do not see the literal Temple also being that of the Spiritual temple (us) whom the Holy Spirit dwells in. It was a literal Temple Ezra was building, but I was also comparing that to the Spiritual Temple (us) that God builds us up as He perfects us daily until the return of Christ as we are made ready to go with Him.

 

[for_his_glory]

Hebrew is a reference which comes from the tribe of Eber.

There was no such thing as Jews when Abraham was alive.

And you shall answer and say before the Lord your God: 'My father was a Syrian, about to perish, and he went down to Egypt and dwelt there, few in number; and there he became a nation, great, mighty, and populous. Deuteronomy 26:5
Abraham was a Gentile.
A father of many nations.

Nations in Hebrew is a reference to Gentiles.

JLB

You should have explained that Nations in Hebrew was a reference to Gentiles instead of just blurting out Abraham was a Gentile. Many see the word Gentile as one not believing in God, but many gods, but we know from Noah on down to Abraham they knew the true God of all creation.

Gen 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

 

[JLB]

I think I already did, but apparently you do not see the literal Temple also being that of the Spiritual temple (us) whom the Holy Spirit dwells in. It was a literal Temple Ezra was building, but I was also comparing that to the Spiritual Temple (us) that God builds us up as He perfects us daily until the return of Christ as we are made ready to go with Him.

The literal temple Ezra was building was destroyed in verse 26 in 70 AD.

Could you write out the scripture in Daniel 9, and point out or underline the word or phrase that is associated with a "spiritual temple".

You keep on saying there is a spiritual temple referred to in Daniel 9:24-27, however you have not wrote out the scripture the teaches this.

JLB

 

[Edward]

I'd be interested in reading that also.