Are Muscular women attractive?

[Jethro Bodine]

Now you know this goes waaaaay beyond just fitness.
IMO, much of this is motivated by pride and arrogance, and woman's angry resentment of man's God given role as head. Underneath it all it's really nothing more than rebellion against the what God established . That's the connection to Christianity.

Okay I can see how that would be a turn off for men with strong traditional christian values.

Not blind, legalistic Christian values as Farouk may be suggesting, but values developed through the process of learning the real truth about human nature as we grow up into Christ. I've been a learning, growing Christian for twenty-seven years and I've learned a lot about the truth of what makes man tick. It's not pretty. And it goes deep. This is what God wants each of us to know so we can long for the kingdom to come and escape from the ways of fallen humanity at work in us and the world. Those lessons come through time and experience.

Is headship determined through physical strength?

No. But it seems some women believe it helps.

Would a woman having a tenure position at a university in some traditionally masculine field of science, let's say theoretical physics, be rebelling against men's headship, too (and hence be a bad woman for a christian man to marry, too?)... or any woman that does something we would typically think to be a "male" thing?

No, because that doesn't represent authority over a man. But I'm sure some women who seek to excel in typically male dominated areas are pleased with the perception they get that it somehow means breaking the bonds of male authoritative control. Body building being one of them. What we humans can't do in reality we often seek to do in perception. It's all just part of the games we humans--discontented and dissatisfied with the way things are--play.

Just asking because I was wondering how body building is a sign of rebellion, what element of it makes it rebellious. Independence and strength can be obtained in other ways than physical muscular strength. In our society physical strength is actually rather irrelevant for a person's social status and independence.

You are so wrong. The 'talent and beauty search' mentality that controls the world is predicated on the belief that strong and beautiful and talented people are valuable and sought after and treated with love and respect. It's all part of the way man loves. It's a consuming, selfish love that grasps and covets that which pleases us. We all know this by (fallen) nature. That's why we ALL play the game at striving to be lovely and talented and beautiful and strong and educated and charismatic so people will love us and treat us with favor.

Also you seem to attribute the motivation for women to do body building to her perceived role in relation to men. Now my next question will probably sound like an attack disguised as a question, but it really isn't an attack. I've reworded it three times already, but it still sounds like an attack... oh well... Can you imagine women do things that are completely unrelated to men? Or is it, in your experience/ convicition, female nature that all we do has something to do with our relationship towards men? In other words, can you imagine that some women may do body building with no feminist/ rebellious motivation whatsoever?

I don't sense an ounce of attack in your question. So I guess you did a good job of avoiding the possibility of taking offense on my part.

But anyway...of course the possibility exists. Humans are an amazingly predictable, yet so unpredictable bunch. There's always an exception to what we are sure is the way it is about people. Part of growing up in Christ means always leaving room for people to not be in conformance to our preconceived expectations, but at the same time being educated in what the legitimate preconceived expectations are for fallen man.

Let's turn the tables here. What if we were talking about a man who made an excessive and radical point to appear feminine, breasts and all. Can we really just dismiss all elements of rebellion against God's design for male and female roles as the motivation for that in that case?

It's interesting how a man who doesn't act like a man is not okay, but it's okay, even respected, for a woman to act like a man. It goes back to this human value system that strong is good, weakness and vulnerability is not. For obvious reasons this is a bigger issue with women than it is for men. We men have a lot more in the strength department, by virtue of hormones, going for us right out of the gate. And I'm not just talking about physical strength.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

"7 ...husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman..." (1 Peter 3:7 NASB)

This is just the way things have been ordained by God. But as fallen humans with a twisted, selfish value system based on fear and insecurity, we disdain weakness.

That is why it is necessary that God instruct women to not be afraid, but to accept the role God has ordained for them in this life.

6 just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, ...you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear" (1 Peter 3:6 NASB).

I submit to you that the display of excessive male traits may well be nothing more than a woman's fear of being weak and vulnerable and under authority. Fearlessness means submitting to the authorities that God has established on earth. This is Christian teaching that...well...ain't so popular in our churches. Particularly true in European churches, I'm guessing.

 

[farouk]

I think that bodybuilding can maybe be done to excess, by both men and women. But those who criticize women for doing it sometimes claim that it's 'excessively masculine'; while many women involved in bodybuilding competitions will appear in bikinis and platform stilettos which their same detractors might well call 'excessively feminine', or whatever.

So I don't quite understand the point that the very conservative critics are trying to make.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I think that bodybuilding can maybe be done to excess, by both men and women. But those who criticize women for doing it sometimes claim that it's 'excessively masculine'; while many women involved in bodybuilding competitions will appear in bikinis and platform stilettos which their same detractors might well call 'excessively feminine', or whatever.

So I don't quite understand the point that the very conservative critics are trying to make.

What is the point of view of the very conservative critics?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I think that bodybuilding can maybe be done to excess, by both men and women.

Much of what I shared here applies to male body builders, too. It often has it's roots in insecurity. We all know men and women both want to appear strong and not vulnerable. Sensuality, and the desire to love and be loved the way we fallen humans understand that, is often in the mix, too.

But those who criticize women for doing it sometimes claim that it's 'excessively masculine'; while many women involved in bodybuilding competitions will appear in bikinis and platform stilettos which their same detractors might well call 'excessively feminine', or whatever.

So I don't quite understand the point that the very conservative critics are trying to make.

But anyway, 'masculine' doesn't mean just physical appearance. It seems many women who resent the order of headship established by God don't want to stop being women. They just don't want to be subject to the authority of men in any way shape or form. Some very feminine women (on the outside) have very masculine personality traits (pride, defensiveness, competitiveness...). It's all about the perception of being strong...in body and personality.

Each of us as Christians has to discern the motives behind what we do. I'm finding out that as I honestly do that, and then abandon the activities driven by bad ungodly motives, I also begin to turn away from watching others who are doing things typically associated with the bad motivations of fallen flesh. The entertainment industry pretty much makes my stomach turn these days.

This 'beauty and talent search' mentality and the lust for fame and fortune is sickening. When you begin to understand the ungodliness that drives it, you find yourself wanting to stop filling your eyes and mind up with the world's attempts to indulge it. Reminds me of "Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)" (2 Peter 2:7-8 NIV).

 

[farouk]

I think that bodybuilding can maybe be done to excess, by both men and women. But those who criticize women for doing it sometimes claim that it's 'excessively masculine'; while many women involved in bodybuilding competitions will appear in bikinis and platform stilettos which their same detractors might well call 'excessively feminine', or whatever.

So I don't quite understand the point that the very conservative critics are trying to make.

What is the point of view of the very conservative critics?

To re-state it, some very conservative critics of women bobybuilding might typically say that they think it's too 'masculine' an activity. But then when women participate in bodybuilding competitions those same very conservative critics might well say they dislike the bikinis and platform stilettos that are worn on such an occasion; when asked why, the response might be because bikinis and platform stilettos display too feminine characteristics, or some comment of such nature. So women bodybuilding, without apparent irony, might well confusingly be described simultaneously as 'too masculine' and 'too feminine'.

 

[farouk]

Jethro Bodine: I certainly agree with some of what you say. There is a lot of excessive glamour and superficiality.

It does not necessarily follow that outward femininity masks inward masculinity, or vice versa, though.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Jethro Bodine: I certainly agree with some of what you say. There is a lot of excessive glamour and superficiality.

It does not necessarily follow that outward femininity masks inward masculinity, or vice versa, though.

As we grow in Christ we learn much about human nature. We begin to recognize the tell tale signs of ungodliness. Not so we can condemn others, but so we can guard ourselves from them. Christ said to be shrewd as snakes, but innocent as doves. Naivety, and a misguided fear of 'not judging', get us Christians in trouble too often. We need to smarten up and start paying attention to the tell tale signs of ungodliness in our society and stop endorsing them out of this misguided fear of judging others.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I think that bodybuilding can maybe be done to excess, by both men and women. But those who criticize women for doing it sometimes claim that it's 'excessively masculine'; while many women involved in bodybuilding competitions will appear in bikinis and platform stilettos which their same detractors might well call 'excessively feminine', or whatever.

So I don't quite understand the point that the very conservative critics are trying to make.

What is the point of view of the very conservative critics?

To re-state it, some very conservative critics of women bobybuilding might typically say that they think it's too 'masculine' an activity. But then when women participate in bodybuilding competitions those same very conservative critics might well say they dislike the bikinis and platform stilettos that are worn on such an occasion; when asked why, the response might be because bikinis and platform stilettos display too feminine characteristics, or some comment of such nature. So women bodybuilding, without apparent irony, might well confusingly be described simultaneously as 'too masculine' and 'too feminine'.

I've never heard of 'too feminine'. I think the right description for it would be 'sensuality'. You're describing women who are indulging undue sensuality.

 

[farouk]

I think that bodybuilding can maybe be done to excess, by both men and women. But those who criticize women for doing it sometimes claim that it's 'excessively masculine'; while many women involved in bodybuilding competitions will appear in bikinis and platform stilettos which their same detractors might well call 'excessively feminine', or whatever.

So I don't quite understand the point that the very conservative critics are trying to make.

What is the point of view of the very conservative critics?

To re-state it, some very conservative critics of women bobybuilding might typically say that they think it's too 'masculine' an activity. But then when women participate in bodybuilding competitions those same very conservative critics might well say they dislike the bikinis and platform stilettos that are worn on such an occasion; when asked why, the response might be because bikinis and platform stilettos display too feminine characteristics, or some comment of such nature. So women bodybuilding, without apparent irony, might well confusingly be described simultaneously as 'too masculine' and 'too feminine'.

I've never heard of 'too feminine'. I think the right description for it would be 'sensuality'. You're describing women who are indulging undue sensuality.

Are you really saying that all platform heels are indicative of excessive sensuality?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Are you really saying that all platform heels are indicative of excessive sensuality?

No, not categorically. It depends on the context.

If I was divorced and wanted to date, as a Christian I would, for my own protection, pay attention to the tell tale signs of worldliness--outward adornment, personal habits, personality, etc. Things that give a person a glimpse into the value system of that person. And not so I can bash her over the head with the Bible, but so I can protect myself and not get into a relationship to a worldly person who really does not want to live for God, but just says she does.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Just for the record, I think a man is a fool to get into a relationship with a woman who has no problem prancing around on a stage nearly naked and with the express intent of showing off her body. I don't sense fidelity is probably part of the character makeup of someone who does that. Of course I could be wrong, but why find out? The signs are there.

 

[PrivateTimm]

Do men consider muscular women attractive?

I think you should have done a poll. I am sure there are some men who like muscular women, but then everyone has a picture in their own mind as to what constitutes "muscular".

I think people in general like people who are in shape. I also think people in general don't like someone overly muscular like a body builder and that leaves a lot of room in the middle.

 

[farouk]

Just for the record, I think a man is a fool to get into a relationship with a woman who has no problem prancing around on a stage nearly naked and with the express intent of showing off her body. I don't sense fidelity is probably part of the character makeup of someone who does that. Of course I could be wrong, but why find out? The signs are there.

So what about female lifeguards? are their marriages doomed to failure, in your view?

 

[Nick]

Just for the record, I think a man is a fool to get into a relationship with a woman who has no problem prancing around on a stage nearly naked and with the express intent of showing off her body. I don't sense fidelity is probably part of the character makeup of someone who does that. Of course I could be wrong, but why find out? The signs are there.

So what about female lifeguards? are their marriages doomed to failure, in your view?

How on earth is that related?

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[farouk]

Just for the record, I think a man is a fool to get into a relationship with a woman who has no problem prancing around on a stage nearly naked and with the express intent of showing off her body. I don't sense fidelity is probably part of the character makeup of someone who does that. Of course I could be wrong, but why find out? The signs are there.

So what about female lifeguards? are their marriages doomed to failure, in your view?

How on earth is that related?

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The only reason for this comment was that Jethro seemed to have a problem with women who spent significant time in swimsuits, and seemed to assert that this would lead to the failure of their marriages.

This is what I meant.

What Jethro exactly might have meant, or wanted to suggest, is for him to say.

Blessings.

 

[Nick]

Just for the record, I think a man is a fool to get into a relationship with a woman who has no problem prancing around on a stage nearly naked and with the express intent of showing off her body. I don't sense fidelity is probably part of the character makeup of someone who does that. Of course I could be wrong, but why find out? The signs are there.

So what about female lifeguards? are their marriages doomed to failure, in your view?

How on earth is that related?

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The only reason for this comment was that Jethro seemed to have a problem with women who spent significant time in swimsuits, and seemed to assert that this would lead to the failure of their marriages.

This is what I meant.

What Jethro exactly might have meant, or wanted to suggest, is for him to say.

Blessings.

Well the theory that female lifeguards wear bikinis is - at least in Australia - false. They spend a lot of time in the sun, and so it would not be healthy to wear almost nothing everyday.

That is why I did not make the connection.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Just for the record, I think a man is a fool to get into a relationship with a woman who has no problem prancing around on a stage nearly naked and with the express intent of showing off her body. I don't sense fidelity is probably part of the character makeup of someone who does that. Of course I could be wrong, but why find out? The signs are there.

So what about female lifeguards? are their marriages doomed to failure, in your view?

"...with the express intent of showing off her body..."

Understand now?

I saw Alice Cooper on TV talking about how he would console fellow rockers who got their hearts broken by their stripper girl friends (wives...I don't remember). And he commented about how they're strippers, what do you expect?

I think you're a fool to get in a relationship with someone who gives you signs that they are controlled by sensuality (just as much as the signs of head strong pride and rebellion are bad, too). For that kind of person, marriage and fidelity is probably not broad enough a field to satisfy that kind of appetite. So, single people beware. And don't use that kind of bait to catch someone either. You may well attract a very shallow, worldly oriented person who will let you down later.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Well the theory that female lifeguards wear bikinis is - at least in Australia - false. They spend a lot of time in the sun, and so it would not be healthy to wear almost nothing everyday.

That is why I did not make the connection.

Uh, excuse me. I see the top of that girls hand.

 

[Infinity]

Well here is a video of a strong cheerleader who is also very religious.

[video=youtube;gGW6yZ-v-NQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGW6yZ-v-NQ[/video]