Are there any Muslim's on this board?

[Faithful4Christ]

I have a question for you that are Muslim. I am a Christian and therefore believe Jesus is the Son of God and our Savior. The last thing I want to do is fight so please don't feel as though I am trying to discredit your beliefs. So this is my question: what is the reason you believe Jesus was crucified? Or do you believe that he wasn't crucified at all? Thank you! God bless

 

[JudaicChristian]

mdo757,
Ok, that’s interesting, but do you worship Jesus as god? I mean you said that you are a ‘non-trinitarian’, what does that mean?

Being a Non-Trinitarian Christian means that I believe the Holy Spirit is one of God's many name titles, and not another person. I also believe that Yahshua is a god, one of many who was chosen by Yahwah, as Yahshua stated himself in scripture. The word [god / il / el] is used for those who have life immortal, and for those who will have life immortal. There are many gods, real and or imagined. There is only one God Almighty who created all things, and His name is Yahwah. The trans-literation of Yahwah into English is based upon the fact that the Proto Semitic did not use the letter "E" for a vowel.

 

[seekandlisten]

I do not know if SeekandListen is still on this message board. He did not like the article I wrote about the name Allah being a blasphemy of Gods name. Originally the Arabs knew God's name as "Yahwah." Allah is the name of a Pagan god.[/size]

Allah is a name given by our finite human minds. If you want to apply it to a 'pagan god' then that is your business, if you want to apply it to the 'one and only God' then I don't see a problem. I seem to remember a story of getting caught up in the 'letter of the law' and the issues it caused.

If you want to pass the name of Allah off as only applying to a pagan God you are clearly mistaken as their are real people who will deny this so it becomes merely looking at one side of the story with no interest to view what others have to say on the same matter. The info is out there it just depends on how the individual views it.

cheers

 

[JudaicChristian]

Allah is a name given by our finite human minds. If you want to apply it to a 'pagan god' then that is your business, if you want to apply it to the 'one and only God' then I don't see a problem. I seem to remember a story of getting caught up in the 'letter of the law' and the issues it caused.

If you want to pass the name of Allah off as only applying to a pagan God you are clearly mistaken as their are real people who will deny this so it becomes merely looking at one side of the story with no interest to view what others have to say on the same matter. The info is out there it just depends on how the individual views it.

cheers

Some people insist that Satan is God, for which I also disagree. Pagan gods are myths, and it is a blasphemy to call the God of Abraham by the name of a Pagan god.

 

[Maryam]

Yes, but there is just one little problem: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=44485

I don’t see this as a problem. When I say God, I mean Allah, and vise versa!

 

[Maryam]

I have a question for you that are Muslim. I am a Christian and therefore believe Jesus is the Son of God and our Savior. The last thing I want to do is fight so please don't feel as though I am trying to discredit your beliefs. So this is my question: what is the reason you believe Jesus was crucified? Or do you believe that he wasn't crucified at all? Thank you! God bless

We believe that Prophet Jesus wan not crucified, but God raised him up unto Himself. We also believe that Prophet Jesus will be back to earth to fight the anti-Christ. He will lead the Muslims for a while, and he will pray as Muslims pray.

Quran:4
[157] That they said (in boast), "We killed Al-Masih 'Isa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah"; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
[158] Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Yes, but there is just one little problem: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=44485

I don’t see this as a problem. When I say God, I mean Allah, and vise versa!

Everyone knows that when a Muslim says Allah they believe that they are speaking of the God of Abraham. You can believe something with all of your heart, but that does not make it true. Allah, also known as Alilah is a Babylonian Pagan god.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Maryam, did you read all of that thread about Allah? If not, then you missed some very important things.

 

[Maryam]

Being a Non-Trinitarian Christian means that I believe the Holy Spirit is one of God's many name titles, and not another person. I also believe that Yahshua is a god, one of many who was chosen by Yahwah, as Yahshua stated himself in scripture. The word [god / il / el] is used for those who have life immortal, and for those who will have life immortal. There are many gods, real and or imagined. There is only one God Almighty who created all things, and His name is Yahwah. The trans-literation of Yahwah into English is based upon the fact that the Proto Semitic did not use the letter "E" for a vowel.

Isn’t that quite complicated! I mean you say that you are a non-trinitarian, but you believe in many gods!!
If Yahshua is one of many gods who were chosen by Yahwah, who are the others?

 

[Maryam]

Maryam, did you read all of that thread about Allah? If not, then you missed some very important things.

I read some of them, and I think your problem is that you don’t want to believe that Allah is God. I read one of the posts when someone told you that the Arab Christians also say Allah to God. Do you think that you discovered something important that they did not discover yet? There are many Arab priests and preachers as well, are they all wrong when they say Allah?

 

[seekandlisten]

Hi Maryam,

Could I ask you why Muslims believe they are the only true religion? If a religion teaches of One God what makes it a false religion in contrast to Islam? I think of all the religions I've studied Islam and Christianity are the only active promoters of themselves being the 'only true way' and I wonder why this is? How can we as finite creatures decide God's plan?

cheers

 

[Maryam]

Hi Maryam,

Could I ask you why Muslims believe they are the only true religion? If a religion teaches of One God what makes it a false religion in contrast to Islam? I think of all the religions I've studied Islam and Christianity are the only active promoters of themselves being the 'only true way' and I wonder why this is? How can we as finite creatures decide God's plan?

cheers

Hi seekandlisten,

I thought that people of other religions also claim that their religions are the ‘only true way’, like Judaism for example.
As a Muslim, I believe that Islam is the ‘only true way’ because this is what God says, and I don’t have doubts about that!
Christians claim to worship one God, but they consider Jesus as god, and this is not acceptable in Islam because we believe that Jesus is a Prophet of God, and that he was a human being. So how come Islam and Christianity are both true religions?

 

[JudaicChristian]

Isn’t that quite complicated! I mean you say that you are a non-trinitarian, but you believe in many gods!!
If Yahshua is one of many gods who were chosen by Yahwah, who are the others?

Yahshua was the only one among many gods chosen by Yahwah as a special son, the one and only who is placed in charge of this world and our salvation. That is what our scripture says.
Psalm 82:6
"I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods' ?

 

[JudaicChristian]

Maryam, did you read all of that thread about Allah? If not, then you missed some very important things.

I read some of them, and I think your problem is that you don’t want to believe that Allah is God. I read one of the posts when someone told you that the Arab Christians also say Allah to God. Do you think that you discovered something important that they did not discover yet? There are many Arab priests and preachers as well, are they all wrong when they say Allah?

The reason they are all wrong is because the truth is kept from them, and they do not have a good enough education to make an informed choice. Your answer you gave me leads me to believe that you would put your tradition above and before the God of Abraham.

 

[Faithful4Christ]

I have a question for you that are Muslim. I am a Christian and therefore believe Jesus is the Son of God and our Savior. The last thing I want to do is fight so please don't feel as though I am trying to discredit your beliefs. So this is my question: what is the reason you believe Jesus was crucified? Or do you believe that he wasn't crucified at all? Thank you! God bless

We believe that Prophet Jesus wan not crucified, but God raised him up unto Himself. We also believe that Prophet Jesus will be back to earth to fight the anti-Christ. He will lead the Muslims for a while, and he will pray as Muslims pray.

Quran:4
[157] That they said (in boast), "We killed Al-Masih 'Isa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah"; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
[158] Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

Very interesting. I did not know you believed in the Antichrist. Do you believe in a tribulation period as well? And also to go back to my original question, how do Muslims believe Jesus died? Also, I have been taught that one of the main goals of the Muslim people is to get the whole world to become Muslim. Is this true? Thank you!!

 

[Tina]

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The God of the Bible is NOT the same as the god of the Quran.

Nobody knows who wrote the Quran ! ...

 

[JudaicChristian]

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The God of the Bible is NOT the same as the god of the Quran.

Nobody knows who wrote the Quran ! ...

Thats true. At least we know who inspired and wrote our scripture.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Yahshua was the only one among many gods chosen by Yahwah as a special son, the one and only who is placed in charge of this world and our salvation. That is what our scripture says.
Psalm 82:6
"I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods' ?

Being a Non-Trinitarian Christian means that I believe the Holy Spirit is one of God's many name titles, and not another person. I also believe that Yahshua is a god, one of many who was chosen by Yahwah, as Yahshua stated himself in scripture. The word [god / il / el] is used for those who have life immortal, and for those who will have life immortal. There are many gods, real and or imagined. There is only one God Almighty who created all things, and His name is Yahwah. The trans-literation of Yahwah into English is based upon the fact that the Proto Semitic did not use the letter "E" for a vowel.

 

[Mike]

As a Muslim, how do you know that you will go to heaven (is that worded correct for you)? It's a rhetorical question, because my understanding is an emphatic "you don't". You can try to obey all the laws, pray on your mat 5 times a day, do all the things to life the life, but you never know where you stand with God - if you've prayed enough.

As a Christian, I can say I know emphatically "I haven't. There's nothing I can do to gain approval from God. Fortunately, my salvation doesn't hinge on that. I know I will spend eternity in the perfect presence with the Lord because of the cross.

As I understand it Mohammad wrote many letters over the course of time. At one point, he was supposedly receiving very militant - kill all infidels - "revelations". But his final "revelation" was one of peace and living life in love with all of mankind. All "revelations" were supposed to negate previous teachings. However, to serve the purpose of Muslim leaders, they fall back and follow the previous militant letters and ignore his final "revelation" of peace. I will admit as I quote "revelations" I come from the belief that he never did actually encounter God. He had a tormented period of depression toward his end.

What do you say about your writings that promises rewards for killing infidels? I'm not writing this in a mean-spirited way. Just trying to get to the point. I pray for all Muslims, that they receive the one True Savior, Jesus and find True Salvation in Him.

 

[logical bob]

What do you say about your writings that promises rewards for killing infidels? I'm not writing this in a mean-spirited way. Just trying to get to the point. I pray for all Muslims, that they receive the one True Savior, Jesus and find True Salvation in Him.

But those who deny their Lord, for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as their skins. In addition there will be maces of iron to punish them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and it will be said, "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!"

Again the Israelites cried out to the LORD, and he gave them a deliverer—Ehud, a left-handed man...Ehud came to him while he was sitting alone in his cool roof chamber. And Ehud said, "I have a message from God for you." And he arose from his seat. Ehud stretched out his left hand, took the sword from his right thigh and thrust it into his belly. The handle also went in after the blade, and the fat closed over the blade, for he did not draw the sword out of his belly; and the refuse came out.

Christians and Muslims arguing about whose Holy Book is the most repugnant. Oh, the irony.