"At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women"

[tandemcpl]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

revalant question because i know some christian teen or young adult has done this. tats near the reproductive organ. yay or nay.

Good morning Jason,
In my opinion, a person should not get a tattoo on a part of their body that only a spouse should have access to.
Be blessed.
Toby

 

[farouk]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

Tatts on all age groups & both genders isn't surprising at all. Socially and culturally in the US, getting ink no longer is such the taboo as it once was..

AirDancer:

Yes, the message is getting across to a large extent that everyone over 18 can do it. As far as discreet and wholesome designs are concerned. (There might be some formal business times when covering them is suitable.)

This is why I also think that faith related designs have such potential, too.

And in the nature of things, summer is the season when everyone can get to participate at least passively in the whole tattoo scene, one way or another, I guess.

Blessings.

 

[AirDancer]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

A few years ago when Lakeland, Florida revival was the big discussion, many who were opposed to Todd Bentley's false teachings (about the 'angel' Emma, that God told him to not talk about Jesus but should tell people about the angels) were accused of not approving of Bentley merely because of his tatts. While it was not a true accusations for many, the fact remains that many of his dark unseemly tatts were added after his ministry became full-time and international.

Because of the correlation between Bentley & darks tatts, in the hearts of many Christians, getting any tattoo is perceived as against our Lord's word.

I'll freely admit that if one of my adult children had a dark tatt inked on their skin ... I would make use of the Dremel sander & the Black & Decker Mouse....

Only kidding on that point.

However, I can see how some unsteady (young in faith or weak in faith) Christians could be influenced by those false leaders such as Bentley, & think that having dark tatts would be fine. At the same time, those people would also believe it is okay to kick with thick-soled biker boots elderly people, etc.

Peace!

 

[alexlove]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

A few years ago when Lakeland, Florida revival was the big discussion, many who were opposed to Todd Bentley's false teachings (about the 'angel' Emma, that God told him to not talk about Jesus but should tell people about the angels) were accused of not approving of Bentley merely because of his tatts. While it was not a true accusations for many, the fact remains that many of his dark unseemly tatts were added after his ministry became full-time and international.

Because of the correlation between Bentley & darks tatts, in the hearts of many Christians, getting any tattoo is perceived as against our Lord's word.

I'll freely admit that if one of my adult children had a dark tatt inked on their skin ... I would make use of the Dremel sander & the Black & Decker Mouse....

Only kidding on that point.

However, I can see how some unsteady (young in faith or weak in faith) Christians could be influenced by those false leaders such as Bentley, & think that having dark tatts would be fine. At the same time, those people would also believe it is okay to kick with thick-soled biker boots elderly people, etc.

Peace!

what is a dark tatt?

 

[tandemcpl]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

A few years ago when Lakeland, Florida revival was the big discussion, many who were opposed to Todd Bentley's false teachings (about the 'angel' Emma, that God told him to not talk about Jesus but should tell people about the angels) were accused of not approving of Bentley merely because of his tatts. While it was not a true accusations for many, the fact remains that many of his dark unseemly tatts were added after his ministry became full-time and international.

Because of the correlation between Bentley & darks tatts, in the hearts of many Christians, getting any tattoo is perceived as against our Lord's word.

I'll freely admit that if one of my adult children had a dark tatt inked on their skin ... I would make use of the Dremel sander & the Black & Decker Mouse....

Only kidding on that point.

However, I can see how some unsteady (young in faith or weak in faith) Christians could be influenced by those false leaders such as Bentley, & think that having dark tatts would be fine. At the same time, those people would also believe it is okay to kick with thick-soled biker boots elderly people, etc.

Peace!

I have several tattoos, all of which I got before I was saved. I have one on my calf that could be considered somewhat on the dark side and because of this I hardly wear shorts anymore. It’s really not that bad; however, I don’t think it is acceptable Christian content.

My next and possibly last tattoo will cover up the one on my calf so I can start wearing shorts again.

Or I could start wearing long black socks with my shorts.

@Alexlove, dark tattoos are those that represent the dark side. Example: demons, skulls, grim reaper, and mystical figures. There are many more.

Be blessed.

Toby

 

[AirDancer]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

What I consider a 'dark' tattoo is one that can be easily & readily identified as associated with demonic purposes.

My apology for not identifying with original post my definition of 'dark'.

 

[handy]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

As with any adornment, Christians have a responsibility to be modest. Necklace's are fine to wear, but wearing a long pendant plunging into one's cleavage would be inappropriate. Pins and rings are OK too, but wearing a swastika badge or a ring with a pentagram on it would be inappropriate for a Christian as well. Following this same principle, having a "dark tatt" or exposing one's nudity to another for the sake of getting a tattoo would be inappropriate for the Christian and the latter would boarder on adultery in my book.

farouk, that's interesting about the butterfly. Next time I see Nina, I'll have to ask her if that's why she got that particular tattoo. I've never asked her about the tattoo... normally when I'm talking with her, it's about me... she's always inquiring after my health since my asthma has gotten so bad. She prays for me all the time.

It's sad to think that Christians would judge someone as sweet, loving, humble and biblically wise as Nina, for being "not a lady" when they don't even know her... Really, is this kind of judging even to be taking place within the church... I can think of several texts that it violates right off the bat. 2

 

[farouk]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

As with any adornment, Christians have a responsibility to be modest. Necklace's are fine to wear, but wearing a long pendant plunging into one's cleavage would be inappropriate. Pins and rings are OK too, but wearing a swastika badge or a ring with a pentagram on it would be inappropriate for a Christian as well. Following this same principle, having a "dark tatt" or exposing one's nudity to another for the sake of getting a tattoo would be inappropriate for the Christian and the latter would boarder on adultery in my book.

farouk, that's interesting about the butterfly. Next time I see Nina, I'll have to ask her if that's why she got that particular tattoo. I've never asked her about the tattoo... normally when I'm talking with her, it's about me... she's always inquiring after my health since my asthma has gotten so bad. She prays for me all the time.

It's sad to think that Christians would judge someone as sweet, loving, humble and biblically wise as Nina, for being "not a lady" when they don't even know her... Really, is this kind of judging even to be taking place within the church... I can think of several texts that it violates right off the bat. 2

handy:

YW.

Yes, if she has it done, such a design can enhance and affirm a lady, can't it? (rather than the opposite).

And the Christian association, with its informative lesson, makes for a positive talking point, too.

Blessings,

 

[alexlove]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

so a skull is a demonic thing?
i mean i know it is, but like ed hardy and stuff has skulls all over it but i hardly associate it with the devil

 

[farouk]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

so a skull is a demonic thing?
i mean i know it is, but like ed hardy and stuff has skulls all over it but i hardly associate it with the devil

alexlove:

It's not necessarily so.

I saw an article which said:

(Written by Bhaki Satalkar : ) "Skull tattoos for women can mean, that the wearer of the tattoo is not afraid of death. .. The soft and feminine women who want a skull tattoo, opt for skull tattoos which are combined with flowers. The flowers can range from rose to hibiscus to lilies, etc. .. If you are a biker woman, you can place your skull tattoo on sleeves as the look great as armband tattoos for women."

Leaving aside the tattoo medium and more broadly about, for example the skull motif in jewelry, belt buckles, and so forth, it is increasingly hard to think of it exclusively in the 'dark' or ' very male', or 'aggressiveness' mode.

But overtly demonic designs should definitely be avoided, I think.

 

[jasoncran]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

Good morning Jason,
In my opinion, a person should not get a tattoo on a part of their body that only a spouse should have access to.
Be blessed.
Toby

so only the neck, forehead and arms and legs for girls?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

It's sad to think that Christians would judge someone as sweet, loving, humble and biblically wise as Nina, for being "not a lady" when they don't even know her... Really, is this kind of judging even to be taking place within the church... I can think of several texts that it violates right off the bat. 2

It's no different than than seeing someone's car parked in front of a local strip joint on a regular basis. Until we know more about them and why they're doing that we have the Christian obligation to be careful with them until we can know whether they are really a brother or sister living faithfully to the Lord, or not.

"But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat." (1 Corinthians 5:11 NIV1984)

How is this not 'judging' someone? Don't confuse it with 'condemning' someone. We have to pass judgment to know whether to not associate with someone who calls themselves a Christian or not.

Contrary to what you seem to be saying, the tattoo all by itself is not the basis for making this judgment. But, like seeing someone's car outside a strip joint on a regular basis, it is a sign that--for us who know full well why people (especially women) historically got tattoos--warns us we have something more to take into consideration before we accept them as a fellow, obedient believer.

Sorry, Nina. That's just the way it is. We have a God given responsibility, and right to be discerning. But don't confuse that with condemning someone. It just means determining whether we will consider someone a trusted brother or sister or not (think about my strip joint example if you're having trouble accepting what I'm saying).

 

[tandemcpl]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

so only the neck, forehead and arms and legs for girls?

I like the way Handy put it. “Following this same principle, having a"dark tatt" or exposing one's nudity to another for the sake ofgetting a tattoo would be inappropriate for the Christian and the latter wouldboarder on adultery in my book.â€

Be blessed.

Toby

 

[jasoncran]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

I like the way Handy put it. “Following this same principle, having a"dark tatt" or exposing one's nudity to another for the sake ofgetting a tattoo would be inappropriate for the Christian and the latter wouldboarder on adultery in my book.â€

Be blessed.

Toby

ok most tats i see arent like in clean areas at times. once my friends get them they seem to grow. male and female.

my brothers wife has a few but in clean places.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

In my opinion, a person should not get a tattoo on a part of their body that only a spouse should have access to.

This seems ambiguous.

Are you saying a person should only get a tattoo in a place a spouse can see?

Or are you saying any person who gets a tattoo should only get it in an area everybody can see it?


Actually, I think tattoos should be put where they can be enjoyed between a man and wife, alone. In that way they will be doing what Paul said to do in regard to matters like this (but which so many in this thread think they do not have to do):

"Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil." (Romans 14: NIV1984)

Despite what some people insist, tattoos are still representative of bad motives and intentions to more than just a few old pharts drooling on themselves in a nursing home. And until we die off, people who want to get tattooed have a Christian responsibility to "not allow what (they) consider good to be spoken of as evil". And if that means getting a tattoo where only you and your spouse can see it, so be it.

 

[jasoncran]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

im neutral on tats. my issue with them is i feel its another christian compromise. ie ccm is such an example. we if we get christian music we can entertain ourselves but not have to worry about that bad stuff.most modern christian music is so fluffy and light.

 

[farouk]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

This seems ambiguous.

Are you saying a person should only get a tattoo in a place a spouse can see.

Or are you saying any person who gets a tattoo should only get it in an area everybody can see it?


Actually, I think tattoos should be put where they can be enjoyed between a man and wife, alone. In that way they will be doing what Paul said to do in regard to matters like this (but which so many in this thread think they do not have to do).

"Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil." (Romans 14: NIV1984)

Despite what some people insist, tattoo are still representative of bad motives and intentions to more than just a few old pharts drooling on themselves in a nursing home. And until we die off people who want to get tattooed have a Christian responsibility to "not allow what (they) consider good to be spoken of as evil". And if that means getting a tattoo where only you and your spouse can see it, so be it.

Jethro:

Again, I can only reiterate what mygraine said about the actual situation with Christian and female ownership of parlors in his area:

The area in which I live, >16000 people, has five tattoo shops. Of the five, three are owned by women, of those three, two are owned and operated by Christians. So the thought of Christian women with tattoos is just how it is.

You maybe have an idealized personal vision of things which you think is preferable.

And many Christian women have theirs. It's not too much to hope that a reading of Romans 14 will produced some kind of respect for various viewpoints, if there are no bad associations objectively involved.

Blessings.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

Jethro:

Again, I can only reiterate what mygraine said about the actual situation with Christian and female ownership of parlors in his area:



You maybe have an idealized personal vision of things which you think is preferable.

And many Christian women have theirs. It's not too much to hope that a reading of Romans 14 will produced some kind of respect for various viewpoints, if there are no bad associations objectively involved.

Blessings.

How can you read this thread and say there are no 'bad associations' with getting a tattoo???????

And, yes, it's foolish to think that very many Christians will put they're own feelings and freedoms aside for the sake of other believers according to Romans 14. With that I whole heartedly agree with you about. But that doesn't make the matter of tattoos now not 'disputable'. The mindset of 'rights' and 'freedoms' championed in the western world is very much entrenched in the church. We might as well rip Romans 14 out of our Bibles.

 

[handy]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

Jethro,

The whole "car parked outside a strip joint" strikes me as silly.

Nina's car isn't ever parked outside of strip joints... it's parked outside the church where she works with the Sunday School kids, participates in the Bible studies and besides, she's been very happily married to her husband for over 20 years now... she's the antithesis of a "loose woman".

The thing about the Corinthians verse is that it says: "you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but IS sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler."

Not, "you must not associate with anyone whom you have decided, upon purely superficial reasons without at all knowing their heart, must somehow be sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler."

Big difference that....

Being discerning is exactly what is at issue here... Making judgements regarding people based solely upon one's own opinion as to what a tattoo represents (when the majority of people in our society doesn't look at them that way any longer) is hardly discerning.

 

[farouk]

Re: "At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women

How can you read this thread and say there are no 'bad associations' with getting a tattoo???????

And, yes, it's foolish to think that very many Christians will put they're own feelings and freedoms aside for the sake of other believers according to Romans 14. With that I whole heartedly agree with you about. But that doesn't make the matter of tattoos now not 'disputable'. The mindset of 'rights' and 'freedoms' championed in the western world is very much entrenched in the church. We might as well rip Romans 14 out of our Bibles.

Jethro:

You have not quoted me correctly.

I said 'if there are no bad associations'.

You are quoting me as if I am saying that no tattoo can have any bad association. Which is not true.

But repeatedly the scenario of a modest, faith related design in an unobtrusive placement has been mentioned and you want to ignore that many Christians have them, including Godly women.

Then you jump from some bad associations with some tattoos to mean that all tattoos obtained by Christians are ipso facto bad also, or something close to this.

Sorry; our logic just doesn't seem to correspond, does it?

Blessings.