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Yes, Sir.
Excellent.
Me too. Maybe its own thread? Who knows, it might get sticky status.
You know, JLB, honestly, I was going to reply "I don't have to. The mere fact that God created the heavens and the earth, created a sinful man, (even if you hold the man was holy), the intention of God is clearly found in that in every contact God has made with the man it was HE who initiated the contact, of every person in the Scripture that had a positive relationship with Him - whether it shows that He called the man (or woman) or that if the narrative begins with the person already in positive relationship, the M.O. of God is that every one of these people was called of God to begin with. From Adam to Noah, to Abraham, to Moses, to David, to Andrew, Peter, Paul, Jesus, and everyone in-between. God has been the One who offered or insisted, or downright pushed salvation on man, and the fact that man did not ask God for saving, or deliverance but God provides salvation in and through Covenant - first in Trinity, second, in Trinity - shows that salvation was God's idea and not man's, and yet man is to be beneficiary of God sacrificing His Right Arm so that those He contemplated in Trinity as saved individuals can and could come to pass in TIME, and the which when TIME is no more, then it's back into Trinity from whence we first were contemplated. But now we'll have bodies!"
It's not necessary to start a new thread.
So God makes the first move and initiates the contact.You know, JLB, honestly, I was going to reply "I don't have to. The mere fact that God created the heavens and the earth, created a sinful man, (even if you hold the man was holy), the intention of God is clearly found in that in every contact God has made with the man it was HE who initiated the contact, of every person in the Scripture that had a positive relationship with Him - whether it shows that He called the man (or woman) or that if the narrative begins with the person already in positive relationship, the M.O. of God is that every one of these people was called of God to begin with. From Adam to Noah, to Abraham, to Moses, to David, to Andrew, Peter, Paul, Jesus, and everyone in-between. God has been the One who offered or insisted, or downright pushed salvation on man, and the fact that man did not ask God for saving, or deliverance but God provides salvation in and through Covenant - first in Trinity, second, in Trinity - shows that salvation was God's idea and not man's, and yet man is to be beneficiary of God sacrificing His Right Arm so that those He contemplated in Trinity as saved individuals can and could come to pass in TIME, and the which when TIME is no more, then it's back into Trinity from whence we first were contemplated. But now we'll have bodies!"
And then I thought to myself....hmmmm, that sounds rude. You asked for a Scripture and I don't provide one but instead provide an examination of the first causes of salvation instead.
So, now that you know my spirit in which I choose not to sound rude (it's not rudeness, it's declaratory, straight-up and forthwith without deception without ambiguity, because that's how my Father would respond as well. And since my Father says what He means and means what He says, I, being conformed into the unbroken image of Christ (not Adam) who does the same as His Father, I am under instruction AND command to come at you in the same way - without shadow or turning.
So, let my first thought above be my response, please, and just to let you know, I am not being rude.
Is that Okie-Dokie with you?
Some like the smell of napalm in the morning. Me? I love the sound and experience of HEAT, IMPACT, FRICTION, SOUND, and WONDER when two swords clang!
TTYTT R, and at my own peril, I think very few single words in the NT should be clinged to with dear life.
I don't think any of this discussion has been trivial. In fact, it has been quite interesting and so far we appreciate that it has remained as a friendly discussion.
Short answer: yes for us.
Sin, walking in darkness.
No, it’s the other way around. Walking in the light, walking in the truth, is obedience. One must first turn from walking in darkness (i.e. repent) prior to obedience (i.e. walking in the Light).
See, repentance (turn around from walking in darkness) comes prior to obedience (walking in the Light).
If we don't admit our guilt, how is there repentance?
Innocent in behavior Chessman.
Agreed.
Children are innocent in many ways. Especially in how they trust their parents. BUT, they are not innocent in the meaning of being humble. Most kids are NOT humble.
Is the above YOUR quote or mine? If it's mine, I quoted the wrong Proverb I guess. It's
Mathew 18:3 is used to preach on how we are to have a child-like faith. You may not agree with this. I don't plan on spending pages to convince you of this.
I don't know what this has to do with our conversation, but maybe you don't remember that I used to teach kids religion. This I know for sure: Kids don't think they've ever committed a sin until they've learned what a sin is. Some kids learn right away and some kids take months to understand. Kids believe they are innocent.
Nope. Free will in man is an illusion. Paul says we are servants to sin and sin nature. Martin Luther calls it "The Bondage to Sin." If we are in bondage, then nothing in man is free. Not even will. God doesn't have free will. His will is dictated and restricted by His Deific Attributes and Hi Nature. God has only ONE will: Good.
Well J,
Oops. I forgot to answer this.Well, if you're wondering....
QUOTE: If I believe in someone, I also have faith in them.
Faith, as in trust.
If I have faith in someone, I also believe in them.
Believe in, as trust in.
1. Don't both the words faith and believe end up in trust?
Could you explain why they're different?
RESPONSE: My error. I should have been clearer. When I see these words I know the part of speech is in play. One is noun-feminine, the other is a verb. And this is important when studying the Scripture.
QUOTE: 2. What are cognates?
RESPONSE: A word is cognate with another if both derive from the same word in an ancestral language. In this case "peitho" is the root word and the other two derive from it.
QUOTE: 3. What does pistis, pistuo mean?
RESPONSE: Pistis and pistuo are two Koinonia Greek words that are in the KJV. First, "pistis….."
Greek Word: πίστις
Transliteration: pistis [G#4102]
Part of Speech: noun feminine
[note: the underlined words are the definition. Each Greek and Hebrew word in this reference book is numbered. (G=Greek, H=Hebrew).]
From the root (peitho) [G#3982];
"pistis" [G#4102] is defined as persuasion, i.e. credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstract constancy in such profession; by extensive the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself.
"Pistis" is found here:
Matthew 8:10 (KJV) When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith [pistis], no, not in Israel.
Now, "pistuo"
Greek Word: πιστεύω
Transliteration: pisteuō
Part of Speech: verb
from [G#4102] (pistis); to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ.)
"Pistuo" is found here:
Matthew 8:13 (KJV) And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.
QUOTE: 4. Do you agree that OBEY is in the word BELIEVE?
RESPONSE: You would have to do some grammarly-gymnastics to get there, but no.
thanks.
CE, who are you talking to?so...the osas, southern baptist stance...not Scriptural? keep in mind; I come from a place with more SBC churches than people.