Believe in God, you will be saved

[jerry63935]

I dont agree. You said this…
“I do agree that it makes being saved MUCH EASIER if someone has heard the gospel.
This is also true about Jesus.
But GOD FATHER can be known only from His creation, as is stated in Romans.”
You just sated above that people can be saved by “knowing God only from his creation”.
Just “knowing God from His creation” saves NOONE.

yes. But why would salvation be easier if someone has heard the gospel. If you can be saved without hearing It then what does it matter?

Thats not true. The Bible plainly says… they would ”hear words by which they would be saved”. Why be told to call for a preacher? Why be told that you will hear words for salvation if you are already saved?
I’m going to assume you are an adult female. If so then reading comprehension should not be that hard for you. If someone says….You will hear words by which you will be saved”. Does this mean they are already saved? OR does it mean they shall be saved after they hear the words of salvation? How can you say that Cornelius was “saved” and that this is common knowledge? Its only common knowledge to people who have know knowledge of what the Bible actually says.

Ok maybe reading comprehension is a problem for you. The angel tells Cornelius to send for a preacher who will tell them words for them to be saved (“shall be saved”) doesn’t sound like he’s saved, but according to you and common knowledge, Cornelius is already saved so this whole exercise is meaningless. Yes. I see your point. Im amazed at the power of the Bible to blind the most intelligent of people. But we know where that will end up…
Mat 15:13,14. But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.


Thats a pretty shallow argument. Heres your reasoning……There was no Bible around for Abraham, even though God spoke directly to him, so therefore we dont need a Bible today to be pleasing to God even though God DOES NOT now speak directly to us. God now speaks to us through his word he has left us. If Abraham would have had a Bible he too would have been accountable to it. Were the Israelites accountable to their written law? Most definitely.

if you stop presenting your pre programmed Calvinist teaching and stick with the Bible you could make better post

 

[GodsGrace]

Dont you have to ”seek” God on his terms? Do you get to just do what ever you want then call it…”gospel”?
Jesus said….
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:30
This isnt the christian world today. People seek God in the way they want to and not according to his will. They do it the way they think is best and then claim…….Jesus has to accept it. I dont think so.

Just saw this.
So I guess YOU make up the terms by which Gid is to be sought.

I don't think it's man that tells God what to do, how to act, or how to accept a person seeking Him.

Thank you Lord that cnkw is not our judge.

 

[GodsGrace]

Actually turning from wicked ways and prayer. Under the law.

Is it a bad thing to know the law? No. The law is not for eternal life though, but had benefits as a type and shadow of
better things to come.

There is a new and better covenant.
Acts 10:6 kjv
6.

He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do

Now honestly all manuscripts do not contain ( he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do).
But the message of Peter IMHO tells of Jesus and is new covenant kingdom stuff.

John the Baptist taught repentance
And
Believe in the one who comes after me. I could post the scripture, but at some point you may need to search out this on your own.

eddif

Search what out on my own?
What do you think I've missed?

 

[GodsGrace]

if you stop presenting your pre programmed Calvinist teaching and stick with the Bible you could make better post

Oh...cnkw is a calvinist?
Gee, what better theology to teach others??!!

 

[GodsGrace]

I dont agree. You said this…
“I do agree that it makes being saved MUCH EASIER if someone has heard the gospel.
This is also true about Jesus.
But GOD FATHER can be known only from His creation, as is stated in Romans.”
You just sated above that people can be saved by “knowing God only from his creation”.
Just “knowing God from His creation” saves NOONE.

yes. But why would salvation be easier if someone has heard the gospel. If you can be saved without hearing It then what does it matter?

Thats not true. The Bible plainly says… they would ”hear words by which they would be saved”. Why be told to call for a preacher? Why be told that you will hear words for salvation if you are already saved?
I’m going to assume you are an adult female. If so then reading comprehension should not be that hard for you. If someone says….You will hear words by which you will be saved”. Does this mean they are already saved? OR does it mean they shall be saved after they hear the words of salvation? How can you say that Cornelius was “saved” and that this is common knowledge? Its only common knowledge to people who have know knowledge of what the Bible actually says.

Ok maybe reading comprehension is a problem for you. The angel tells Cornelius to send for a preacher who will tell them words for them to be saved (“shall be saved”) doesn’t sound like he’s saved, but according to you and common knowledge, Cornelius is already saved so this whole exercise is meaningless. Yes. I see your point. Im amazed at the power of the Bible to blind the most intelligent of people. But we know where that will end up…
Mat 15:13,14. But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.


Thats a pretty shallow argument. Heres your reasoning……There was no Bible around for Abraham, even though God spoke directly to him, so therefore we dont need a Bible today to be pleasing to God even though God DOES NOT now speak directly to us. God now speaks to us through his word he has left us. If Abraham would have had a Bible he too would have been accountable to it. Were the Israelites accountable to their written law? Most definitely.

No comment.
Think what you will.

 

[eddif]

My list of 4 is not a formula or from the NT.
It's what needs to be done to be saved BY ANYONE.
Those that have heard the gospel or have not.

I do agree that it makes being saved MUCH EASIER if someone has heard the gospel.
This is also true about Jesus.

But GOD FATHER can be known only from His creation, as is stated in Romans.
Let's remember too that Cornelius knew about God before anyone had spoken to him.
Acts 10:1-2
10 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion of what was known as the Italian Cohort, 2 a devout man who feared God with all his household, gave alms generously to the people, and prayed continually to God.

The post # is 326
To those of us who read it says what wondering wrote on 326.

Help us understand.

God can be understood by what was created Romans 1:18-20
But not only from what was created.

Symbolism, parables, OT prophets, direct statements of Jesus, inspired New Testament writers all help us understand God.

Computer touch screens can add a word if our finger makes a line or loop. Spell correction can change a word we miss-spelled.

Work with us. We will work with you.

If I mess up tell me.

eddif

 

[jerry63935]

Oh...cnkw is a calvinist?

you dont know how to discern Calvinism.. main thing there is no free will to be saved its a 2 or3 step process one you have to be given faith first

 

[jerry63935]

Well I asked because I read something quite interesting other Day...A Brean actually looking into translation...

He was saying there was a diff between the Holy Spirit's coming and Holy Spirit being in.

Therefore, for example, coming over is the annoiting and to receive power.

i would have to know exactly what he is implying --in coming and being in us.. the spirit came in as a mighty rushing wind in acts ..in the o.t the spirit had to come over them..in the n.t the spirit is in us. we have the power

 

[Hopeful]

The Jews had many washings as
ceremonies that we miss understanding. (Lavers)

More and more I believe that immersion in thoughts is really the ultimate reality or truth.
The tree planted on either side of the river clear as crystal sure looks like the cerebellum. Paul was glad he had not baptized a lot of people, but he sure taught a lot of information. That information immerses our thoughts in God. Does the Bible say that? No. Does our created anatomy made in the image of God seem to say this? I would say yes, but that is just a redneck.

Greek writings extend baptism to a lot of areas.

eddif

As it is written, in Rom 6:5..."For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:"...how does "immersion of thought" entail planting?
And how would one, say, study, in the name of Jesus Christ?
OTOH, being buried with Christ perfectly emulates "planting".
It is written..."Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." (Rom 6:3-4)
The water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin happens only once (if done with a repentant heart).
How many times must a student be "baptized" in the manner you refer to?
Every day for decades?

 

[Hopeful]

Paul was glad he had not baptised many, because people boasted they had been baptised by such and such a person in a snobbish attempt at one-upmanship. "My baptism was better than yours."
.

I wish I could baptize more, but men love sin more that they love God.

 

[jerry63935]

The water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin happens only once (if done with a repentant heart).
How many times must a student be "baptized" in the manner you refer to?
Every day for decades?

personally i see baptism as a outside ordinance. its symbolic but yet important /but no amount of water ever washed of our sins away the old man goes under the watery grave and new man rises . once again symbolic

 

[jerry63935]

I wish I could baptize more, but men love sin more that they love God.

what do you mean baptize more?

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus is the message. Your signature.
.

What is your problem with my signature line?

 

[Hopeful]

personally i see baptism as a outside ordinance. its symbolic but yet important /but no amount of water ever washed of our sins away the old man goes under the watery grave and new man rises . once again symbolic

As it is written in 1 John 5:8..."And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
I see no difference in Spirit, water, and the blood of Jesus Christ, in baptism.
It is way more than symbolic.
By faith, it is our actual death and burial with Jesus.
It is the death of the old man.
And it is our actual rebirth with Him, when we are "raised with Christ to walk in newness of life". (Rom 6:4)

 

[Hopeful]

what do you mean baptize more?

I wish more folks would come to Christ and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, after their "turn from" sin.

 

[GodsGrace]

I dont agree. You said this…
“I do agree that it makes being saved MUCH EASIER if someone has heard the gospel.
This is also true about Jesus.
But GOD FATHER can be known only from His creation, as is stated in Romans.”
You just sated above that people can be saved by “knowing God only from his creation”.
Just “knowing God from His creation” saves NOONE.

yes. But why would salvation be easier if someone has heard the gospel. If you can be saved without hearing It then what does it matter?

Thats not true. The Bible plainly says… they would ”hear words by which they would be saved”. Why be told to call for a preacher? Why be told that you will hear words for salvation if you are already saved?
I’m going to assume you are an adult female. If so then reading comprehension should not be that hard for you. If someone says….You will hear words by which you will be saved”. Does this mean they are already saved? OR does it mean they shall be saved after they hear the words of salvation? How can you say that Cornelius was “saved” and that this is common knowledge? Its only common knowledge to people who have know knowledge of what the Bible actually says.

Ok maybe reading comprehension is a problem for you. The angel tells Cornelius to send for a preacher who will tell them words for them to be saved (“shall be saved”) doesn’t sound like he’s saved, but according to you and common knowledge, Cornelius is already saved so this whole exercise is meaningless. Yes. I see your point. Im amazed at the power of the Bible to blind the most intelligent of people. But we know where that will end up…
Mat 15:13,14. But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.


Thats a pretty shallow argument. Heres your reasoning……There was no Bible around for Abraham, even though God spoke directly to him, so therefore we dont need a Bible today to be pleasing to God even though God DOES NOT now speak directly to us. God now speaks to us through his word he has left us. If Abraham would have had a Bible he too would have been accountable to it. Were the Israelites accountable to their written law? Most definitely.

You're good at English and comprehension.
WHERE in my above statement, which you have repeated, does it say that KNOWING GOD ALONE is salvation??

You're referring to my post no. 326.
Please post it and point out where it states that ONLY KNOWING there is a God from His creation can save a person....
Thanks.

 

[GodsGrace]

The post # is 326
To those of us who read it says what wondering wrote on 326.

Help us understand.

God can be understood by what was created Romans 1:18-20
But not only from what was created.

Symbolism, parables, OT prophets, direct statements of Jesus, inspired New Testament writers all help us understand God.

Computer touch screens can add a word if our finger makes a line or loop. Spell correction can change a word we miss-spelled.

Work with us. We will work with you.

If I mess up tell me.

eddif

I'm sorry Eddif.
I don't know what the problem is.
I think my post no. 326 is very clear.
If there's something there that you believe is not biblical...
THAT is what you should POINT OUT.

I just reread it when I answered another poster.
I don't see a problem with what I wrote.
If you do....please point it out.

 

[GodsGrace]

As it is written in 1 John 5:8..."And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
I see no difference in Spirit, water, and the blood of Jesus Christ, in baptism.
It is way more than symbolic.
By faith, it is our actual death and burial with Jesus.
It is the death of the old man.
And it is our actual rebirth with Him, when we are "raised with Christ to walk in newness of life". (Rom 6:4)

Amen to that !
The Apostles taught that we MUST be baptized.
Baptism washes away sin.

If this is not understood, then what kind of Christianity are we practicing?

 

[eddif]

As it is written, in Rom 6:5..."For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:"...how does "immersion of thought" entail planting?
And how would one, say, study, in the name of Jesus Christ?
OTOH, being buried with Christ perfectly emulates "planting".
It is written..."Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." (Rom 6:3-4)
The water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin happens only once (if done with a repentant heart).
How many times must a student be "baptized" in the manner you refer to?
Every day for decades?

Hebrews 10:16 kjv
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

The word became flesh, and Jesus (second Adam) became a quickening spirit.

Planted as words: Spoken, Written, Christ in us ( parable of sower)

If we can see seeds in our heart, can we not see seeds in our mind?

Christ in us. Us in Christ.

Philippians 2:5 kjv
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Or even
Revelation 3:20 kjv
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Matthew 4:4 kjv
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

1 Corinthians 10:2 kjv
2. And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3. And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4. And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Classes about baptism
The act of baptism
The memory of baptism

And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
A concept can cross contexts.
Drinking, eating, in a cloud, from a rock, from words, spiritual drink, in heart,in class, in mind……

We are a student our whole life.

eddif

 

[GodsGrace]

The post # is 326
To those of us who read it says what wondering wrote on 326.

Help us understand.

God can be understood by what was created Romans 1:18-20
But not only from what was created.

Symbolism, parables, OT prophets, direct statements of Jesus, inspired New Testament writers all help us understand God.

Of course.

Computer touch screens can add a word if our finger makes a line or loop. Spell correction can change a word we miss-spelled.

Work with us. We will work with you.

If I mess up tell me.

eddif