Believe in God, you will be saved

[jerry63935]

which is against the TOS.

you mean those wrote in pencil ?

 

[GodsGrace]

IMHO I’mi
If Jesus is not attached to your friends experience they are are Good Jews keeping the works of the law according to 2 Chronicles 7:14

The Gospel message (the good news) is that Jesus died for our sins).
Not 2 Chronicles 7:14

I answered it more nicely already, but it Zoomed past you without it registering.

Romans 1:18-20 is a way to know about God. It is not the salvation message. It seems to be strong enough to keep you guilty, but not save you.

You are without excuse when you read Romans 1:18-20. You have to cry out what must I do to be saved when you read Romans 1:18-20

Romans 1:18-20 is a hidden message from creation that there is a God. It is not however a declaration of eternal life.

1 Corinthians 15 states the Gospel, and not Romans 1:18-20.

I be done said it most all the way I be done know how to say it. If I be able to say it better I need a chalk board and talk while I draw. I ain’ got skills to make a video. If I did make video I need to see you shaking your head no, so I could make it right.

That was my best Cajun imitation I can muster.

Ask your friends how they are going to heaven when they die. If they say:
Because we live a good life they are not saved.

If your friends say: Jesus died for my sins on the cross of Calvary they may be saved. Jesus will open his book of life and see if their names are in it. I ain’t seen the book. I hope my name is in it. Judgement day will reveal the secrets of our heart. We do not judge before that day.

The heart is desperately wicked and deceitful above all things. Who can know it? Jesus can.

eddif

God is not in a little box up in the universe somewhere. Man likes to put Him there.

We go to a church, listen to the preacher man, read our bible, interpret it how we like and that's our God.

Did I say Roman 1 is the gospel message?
Shoot, I said some don't even know the gospel message but are saved anyway.

Is Jesus God?
If one believes in God and worships Him, are they saved?

Or are they lost because they don't follow Your formula for salvation.

And read those red words in your bible and tell us what JESUS says we must do to be saved.

 

[GodsGrace]

you mean those wrote in pencil ?

You see Jerry, it's a nice day.
Enjoy it.

 

[Cooper]

who said i didnt i said baptism follows salvation BUT DOES NOT WASH AWAY SINS

I would still do as Jesus said. If we cannot follow him in that, but go our own way, and do, or not do, as we think appropriate, what does it say about us and our walk with Christ?

 

[Cooper]

How do You know what I pay attention to?
And what men?

You have clearly been paying a lot of attention to the writings of the Catholic Saints (i.e. men).
.

 

[GodsGrace]

You have clearly been paying a lot of attention to the writings of the Catholic Saints (i.e. men).
.

You should reply to my actual post, and not ASSUME anything about me.

 

[Cnkw3]

I will say you are thinking this all through. I believe there is a scripture that all must look at and decide what it is saying.

I have a 20 year agony with how to rate / deal with / understand / explain / reconcile / the statement and the author of this scripture. Only the last 5 years have I gotten IMHO close enough to start a conversation with others.

According to who or what is your base of understanding, causes agreement or opposition.

At the end of discussion, we still may have to say we partially still see through a glass darkly.

The scripture is:
Job 32:8. Kjv
8. But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

I could lay a framework,
And try and dominate this discussion, and I may push pretty hard. This site wants us to value others statements, so if you have opinions we can begin.

The first word in the OP is Jesus.
To me this is the foundation area that allows discussion

Mississippi redneck
eddif

Even though this is one of Jobs companions saying this I would say there is some truth in his statement. To me it simply means that true understanding in this world comes from God. He made this world, he made man, Its his plan to redeem man. He has left us with his word to give us all the information we need to have true understanding. 1 Cor 1 and 2 deals with the difference between Gods wisdom and mans wisdom. Mans wisdom is foolishness and comes to naught. It is through Gods wisdom that we gain understanding. His wisdom he has left us in his word. This is why I do not think much of peoples opinions when engaged in these discussions and i ask for book chapter and verse on the position one might take. Mans wisdom is foolishness.

 

[Cnkw3]

if you stop presenting your pre programmed Calvinist teaching and stick with the Bible you could make better post

What is Calvinist about that post you quoted?

 

[Cnkw3]

Just saw this.
So I guess YOU make up the terms by which Gid is to be sought.

no. Where do you get this? Give examples of me doing anything like that.

I don't think it's man that tells God what to do, how to act, or how to accept a person seeking Him.

you are right.

Thank you Lord that cnkw is not our judge.

No. But the words jesus left us will be. Jn 12:48.
The very words you say we dont need for salvation. So, who am i to believe…you or God?

 

[gordon777]

whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved that is prayer romans 10;10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. prayer

If we look in the same chapter, we see if we believe through hearing a prayer ( which somebody created for us) or we believe through the hearing of the faith of Jesus Christ.

It is the word of faith that is preached, which is describing for us why Jesus died ( as we die in or sins) so that we live unto righteousness ( righteousness is Christ overcoming death for us) and we see all the examples of Israel not believing in that righteousness of Christ, because they were blinded from accepting Him ( through pride of already having a covenant with God) and we see how all the rich, popular, happy, successful people in life, cant associate with the meekness, poverty, sorrow, and death on the cross of Christ, because unlike Christ who had to hate His life in this world and lost it to keep it to life eternal, they love their lives and hate the idea of loosing them to find them again.




John 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

 

[gordon777]

Even though this is one of Jobs companions saying this I would say there is some truth in his statement. To me it simply means that true understanding in this world comes from God. He made this world, he made man, Its his plan to redeem man. He has left us with his word to give us all the information we need to have true understanding. 1 Cor 1 and 2 deals with the difference between Gods wisdom and mans wisdom. Mans wisdom is foolishness and comes to naught. It is through Gods wisdom that we gain understanding. His wisdom he has left us in his word. This is why I do not think much of peoples opinions when engaged in these discussions and i ask for book chapter and verse on the position one might take. Mans wisdom is foolishness.

That would be how man understands, that is foolish.


Man believes it is wise to do evil, and of courser that is not wise with God. (we die for that evil)



Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?




Then we understand the wisdom of God, to send Christ to turn us away every one from our iniquities. ( for why is it wise to die ?)


Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.



Did Israel not think God was a fool to keep sending them warners, who they could take ( as they were unprotected) and murder them all including the Son ?

That IS the wisdom of God, as they killed themselves through it.

All the wicked joined against the Lord and His Anointed, but through their act of murder ( after they killed the prophets and then the Son, which was THE LORDS DOING AND THE WISDOM OF GOD and MANS FOOLISHNESS. Mark 12:1-11.) life comes to those who believe in all of the revealed WISDOM OF GOD..





Isaiah 9:14 Therefore the Lord will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day.
15 The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.
16 For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.

Luke 11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

Psalm 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

 

[GodsGrace]

no. Where do you get this? Give examples of me doing anything like that.

you are right.

No. But the words jesus left us will be. Jn 12:48.
The very words you say we dont need for salvation. So, who am i to believe…you or God?

Yes.
It says REJECTS Jesus.
They will not be saved.

Apparently there's some communication problem here.

End.

 

[eddif]

If we look in the same chapter, we see if we believe through hearing a prayer ( which somebody created for us) or we believe through the hearing of the faith of Jesus Christ.

It is the word of faith that is preached, which is describing for us why Jesus died ( as we die in or sins) so that we live unto righteousness ( righteousness is Christ overcoming death for us) and we see all the examples of Israel not believing in that righteousness of Christ, because they were blinded from accepting Him ( through pride of already having a covenant with God) and we see how all the rich, popular, happy, successful people in life, cant associate with the meekness, poverty, sorrow, and death on the cross of Christ, because unlike Christ who had to hate His life in this world and lost it to keep it to life eternal, they love their lives and hate the idea of loosing them to find them again.




John 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Welcome to the site.

In reading some of your posts I hear several concepts spread over many context areas. When I say many areas I mean many.

The length of another of your posts will take some time to get through.

Again welcome

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[gordon777]

Welcome to the site.

In reading some of your posts I hear several concepts spread over many context areas. When I say many areas I mean many.

The length of another of your posts will take some time to get through.

Again welcome

Mississippi redneck
eddif

Hi Eddif,

I think it is the Kingdom of Heaven our conversation is to be about, it is a lot of area, it is everything in existence, everything is God and at the same time God is one, and we are to keep the conversation away from all the wickedness and faithlessness of this world. ( to be kept away then from a lot of peoples opinions, to be answered and corrected to millions of opinions against one, which also covers a lot, yet at the same time is unity.)


Philippians 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

Ephesians 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 

[Cnkw3]

You're good at English and comprehension.
WHERE in my above statement, which you have repeated, does it say that KNOWING GOD ALONE is salvation??

You're referring to my post no. 326.
Please post it and point out where it states that ONLY KNOWING there is a God from His creation can save a person....
Thanks.

Its right there in your statement….
“I do agree that it makes being saved MUCH EASIER if someone has heard the gospel.
This is also true about Jesus.
But GOD FATHER can be known only from His creation, as is stated in Romans.”

First you say its “easier“ to be saved if you’ve heard the gospel. This implies that one can be saved without the gospel. That is false.
Second. You then throw the word “BUT” in there and add……”God can be known ONLY from his creation.“. You are clearly implying that you only need to “know God” (which can be done through his creation) in order to be saved. Implication is a big part of reading comprehension. It means something.
Jesus said….I am the way the truth and the life. NO MAN comes to the father but by me.
If Jesus is Lord and is correct then there will be NOBODY saved without the gospel of Jesus who is the Christ!

 

[Cnkw3]

You're good at English and comprehension.
WHERE in my above statement, which you have repeated, does it say that KNOWING GOD ALONE is salvation??

You're referring to my post no. 326.
Please post it and point out where it states that ONLY KNOWING there is a God from His creation can save a person....
Thanks.

Here’s another one. This is your formula for salvation…
“KNOW GOD
KNOW YOU'RE A SINNER
LIVE FOR GOD AND WORSHIP GOD”
First…”know God”. How can one do that? You have clearly stated that one can “know God” ONLY from his creation. Therefore they can then know they are a sinner and then live for that same God and worship. You are clearly saying that one can be saved through knowing God ONLY by his creation.
That is not what the Bible teaches. It teaches that we can KNOW there is a God but that is a big difference from ”KNOWING GOD”.
1 JN 2:3-5 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
One cannot “KNOW“ God without keeping his commandments. This is why the Bible and preaching is so important. Something you don’t seem to hold much value in. Its like…..Ahhh, we’ll do it if we can but if not, so what i dont really need it.

 

[gordon777]

Here’s another one. This is your formula for salvation…
“KNOW GOD
KNOW YOU'RE A SINNER
LIVE FOR GOD AND WORSHIP GOD”
First…”know God”. How can one do that? You have clearly stated that one can “know God” ONLY from his creation. Therefore they can then know they are a sinner and then live for that same God and worship. You are clearly saying that one can be saved through knowing God ONLY by his creation.
That is not what the Bible teaches. It teaches that we can KNOW there is a God but that is a big difference from ”KNOWING GOD”.
1 JN 2:3-5 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
One cannot “KNOW“ God without keeping his commandments. This is why the Bible and preaching is so important. Something you don’t seem to hold much value in. Its like…..Ahhh, we’ll do it if we can but if not, so what i dont really need it.

Preaching is important if it includes ensamples, approval as the ministers of God, otherwise it is merely words of man. ( forums are just that)




2 Corinthians 6:3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
6 By pureness, by knowledge, by long suffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
11 O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.
12 Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels.
13 Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.

2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
8 Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:
9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.

 

[gordon777]

Extra proof of who to withdraw from, is who cant speak/preach with grace in their words, remember how we are told..


Colossians 4:6 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Philippians 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

 

[gordon777]

I came here today, to give that message, for nothing to be done through strife or vainglory, and for us all to have lowliness of mind and to esteem the other, if not only as good as ourselves, then better than ourselves.

 

[GodsGrace]

Here’s another one. This is your formula for salvation…
“KNOW GOD
KNOW YOU'RE A SINNER
LIVE FOR GOD AND WORSHIP GOD”

This conversation goes back a long way and I don't even remember what started it.
Maybe the fact that someone said THERE IS A FORMULA for salvation and then stated a bunch of rules that need to be followed.

There are NO RULES for salvation.
God will decide who is saved and who is not...not anyone on this forum.

As to "my" formula for salvation...
It is not my formula.
It's the formula Jesus left us with.
If you prefer to listen to some preacher instead of Jesus, that is not my problem.

Jesus said:
REPENT for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand. Matthew 4:17

FOLLOW ME and I will make you fishers of men. Matthew 4:19 (to expand the Kingdom)

BLESSED ARE THE POOR He opened His mouth and began to teach. Matthew 5:3-10
BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO MOURN
BLESSED ARE THE GENTLE
BLESSED ARE THOSE THAT HUNGER AND THIRST FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS
BLESSED ARE THE MERCIFUL
BLESSED ARE THE PURE IN HEART
BLESSED ARE THE PEACEMAKERS
BLESSED ARE THE PERSECUTED FOR THE SAKE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS

I SAY TO YOU, UNLESS YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SURPASSES THAT OF THE PHARISEES, YOU SHALL NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. Matthew 5:20

LOVE YOUR ENEMIES AND PRAY FOR THOSE WHO PERSECUTE YOU IN ORDER THAT YOU MAY BE SONS OF YOUR FATHER. Matthew 5:44-45

THIS IS HOW TO PRAY: OUR FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN....Matthew 6:9...
This is Jesus' formula for salvation.

EVERY TREE THAT DOES NOT BEAR GOOD FRUIT IS CUT DOWN. Matthew 7:19

HE WHO LOVES MOTHER OR FATHER MORE THAN ME IS NOT WORTHY. Matthew 10:37

NOT WHAT GOES INTO THE MOUTH DEFILES A MAN, BUT WHAT COMES OUT OF IT. Matthew 15:11

IF ANYONE WISHES TO COME AFTER ME, LET HIM PICK UP HIS CROSS AND FOLLOW ME. Matthew 16:24

RENDER TO CAESAR THE THINGS THAT ARE CAESER'S AND TO GOD THE THINGS THAT ARE GOD'S. Mat 22:21

see all of chapter 25


I'd safely say that the above is how to be saved.

First…”know God”. How can one do that? You have clearly stated that one can “know God” ONLY from his creation. Therefore they can then know they are a sinner and then live for that same God and worship. You are clearly saying that one can be saved through knowing God ONLY by his creation.

You can know there is a God by seeing the creation God created that is all around you.
You have a problem with this?
I know a man that goes up into the mountains, gets on his knees, and prays.
I don't know if he's ever heard the gospel message. You judge him to be lost?
Because he didn't follow what your pastor taught you or what you think you learned in the NT?

I think you need to read my posts again.
Romans 1:19-20 states this BTW,,,,not me.
I only read the NT.

That is not what the Bible teaches. It teaches that we can KNOW there is a God but that is a big difference from ”KNOWING GOD”.
1 JN 2:3-5 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
One cannot “KNOW“ God without keeping his commandments. This is why the Bible and preaching is so important. Something you don’t seem to hold much value in. Its like…..Ahhh, we’ll do it if we can but if not, so what i dont really need it.

Oh for goodness sake C,
Do you not understand the written language of English or do you just want to argue?

Here's what you posted above:

Here’s another one. This is your formula for salvation…
“KNOW GOD
KNOW YOU'RE A SINNER
LIVE FOR GOD AND WORSHIP GOD”

Now read it well.
If you LIVE FOR GOD AND WORSHIP HIM
does that mean you're obeying Him?
or not?

What does WORSHIP mean to you anyway?