Believe in God, you will be saved

[GodsGrace]

I came here today, to give that message, for nothing to be done through strife or vainglory, and for us all to have lowliness of mind and to esteem the other, if not only as good as ourselves, then better than ourselves.

You're right gordon777
Sometimes we fail.
Praise God that we can be forgiven.

Welcome to the forum!
We need you here....

 

[gordon777]

This conversation goes back a long way and I don't even remember what started it.
Maybe the fact that someone said THERE IS A FORMULA for salvation and then stated a bunch of rules that need to be followed.

There are NO RULES for salvation.
God will decide who is saved and who is not...not anyone on this forum.

As to "my" formula for salvation...
It is not my formula.
It's the formula Jesus left us with.
If you prefer to listen to some preacher instead of Jesus, that is not my problem.

Jesus said:
REPENT for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand. Matthew 4:17

FOLLOW ME and I will make you fishers of men. Matthew 4:19 (to expand the Kingdom)

BLESSED ARE THE POOR He opened His mouth and began to teach. Matthew 5:3-10
BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO MOURN
BLESSED ARE THE GENTLE
BLESSED ARE THOSE THAT HUNGER AND THIRST FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS
BLESSED ARE THE MERCIFUL
BLESSED ARE THE PURE IN HEART
BLESSED ARE THE PEACEMAKERS
BLESSED ARE THE PERSECUTED FOR THE SAKE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS

I SAY TO YOU, UNLESS YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SURPASSES THAT OF THE PHARISEES, YOU SHALL NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. Matthew 5:20

LOVE YOUR ENEMIES AND PRAY FOR THOSE WHO PERSECUTE YOU IN ORDER THAT YOU MAY BE SONS OF YOUR FATHER. Matthew 5:44-45

THIS IS HOW TO PRAY: OUR FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN....Matthew 6:9...
This is Jesus' formula for salvation.

EVERY TREE THAT DOES NOT BEAR GOOD FRUIT IS CUT DOWN. Matthew 7:19

HE WHO LOVES MOTHER OR FATHER MORE THAN ME IS NOT WORTHY. Matthew 10:37

NOT WHAT GOES INTO THE MOUTH DEFILES A MAN, BUT WHAT COMES OUT OF IT. Matthew 15:11

IF ANYONE WISHES TO COME AFTER ME, LET HIM PICK UP HIS CROSS AND FOLLOW ME. Matthew 16:24

RENDER TO CAESAR THE THINGS THAT ARE CAESER'S AND TO GOD THE THINGS THAT ARE GOD'S. Mat 22:21

see all of chapter 25


I'd safely say that the above is how to be saved.





You can know there is a God by seeing the creation God created that is all around you.
You have a problem with this?
I know a man that goes up into the mountains, gets on his knees, and prays.
I don't know if he's ever heard the gospel message. You judge him to be lost?
Because he didn't follow what your pastor taught you or what you think you learned in the NT?

I think you need to read my posts again.
Romans 1:19-20 states this BTW,,,,not me.
I only read the NT.


Oh for goodness sake C,
Do you not understand the written language of English or do you just want to argue?

Here's what you posted above:


Now read it well.
If you LIVE FOR GOD AND WORSHIP HIM
does that mean you're obeying Him?
or not?

What does WORSHIP mean to you anyway?

Wondering, good verses, very accurate and true/correct, how we have a lot of instruction of how to be saved.


But you have left some sort of way into what you show you believe, by showing others don't need to hear that same message and can be saved ?

It is the righteousness of the Kingdom of Heaven preached that has our heart believe in that righteousness, to live it ( Christ living in us in that faith) and we live His kindness towards others, otherwise we do nothing in this life, and also to give our life away, to the death, if we die to ourselves first.

The name of Jesus Christ glorifies the Father ( as He is the only begotten of the Father who lays His life down so we might live and not die) and if anyone can be saved without that glory ( of Jesus Christ) then glory is to men and not God.

 

[GodsGrace]

Its right there in your statement….
“I do agree that it makes being saved MUCH EASIER if someone has heard the gospel.
This is also true about Jesus.
But GOD FATHER can be known only from His creation, as is stated in Romans.”

First you say its “easier“ to be saved if you’ve heard the gospel. This implies that one can be saved without the gospel. That is false.
Second. You then throw the word “BUT” in there and add……”God can be known ONLY from his creation.“. You are clearly implying that you only need to “know God” (which can be done through his creation) in order to be saved. Implication is a big part of reading comprehension. It means something.
Jesus said….I am the way the truth and the life. NO MAN comes to the father but by me.
If Jesus is Lord and is correct then there will be NOBODY saved without the gospel of Jesus who is the Christ!

Yes. It's easier to be saved by hearing the gospel message.

Yes. God can be known only from His creation.

Yes. One can be saved without the gospel message....and I stated how. If you don't agree...it's fine.

No man comes to the Father but through Jesus.
Yes. Jesus died for all mankind.
1 John 2:2 you should do a little study on what this means.

So then billions of persons are headed for hell because they have not heard the gospel message.
Even if they know about God and love Him and worship Him?
Is God Jesus?
Is Jesus God?

 

[gordon777]

You're right gordon777
Sometimes we fail.
Praise God that we can be forgiven.

Welcome to the forum!
We need you here....

We cant fail, as charity never fails, and we need to put on charity ( belief in Christ rising) in our hearts ( soft heart of flesh now,/take stony heart away) so our faith must not fail....




Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

1 Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Colossians 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.




Thankyou for welcoming me here( needing me here) I needed to be here too for a while. ( to see and share with who is here)

 

[GodsGrace]

Wondering, good verses, very accurate and true/correct, how we have a lot of instruction of how to be saved.


But you have left some sort of way into what you show you believe, by showing others don't need to hear that same message and can be saved ?

It is the righteousness of the Kingdom of Heaven preached that has our heart believe in that righteousness, to live it ( Christ living in us in that faith) and we live His kindness towards others, otherwise we do nothing in this life, and also to give our life away, to the death, if we die to ourselves first.

The name of Jesus Christ glorifies the Father ( as He is the only begotten of the Father who lays His life down so we might live and not die) and if anyone can be saved without that glory ( of Jesus Christ) then glory is to men and not God.

What about persons that have never heard about Jesus?

 

[GodsGrace]

We cant fail, as charity never fails, and we need to put on charity ( belief in Christ rising) in our hearts ( soft heart of flesh now,/take stony heart away) so our faith must not fail....




Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

1 Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Colossians 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.




Thankyou for welcoming me here( needing me here) I needed to be here too for a while. ( to see and share with who is here)

We can fail when a poster absolutely does not read what you write but continues posting to you even after you've stated you no longer wish to discuss said topic.

 

[gordon777]

Yes. It's easier to be saved by hearing the gospel message.

Yes. God can be known only from His creation.

Yes. One can be saved without the gospel message....and I stated how. If you don't agree...it's fine.

No man comes to the Father but through Jesus.
Yes. Jesus died for all mankind.
1 John 2:2 you should do a little study on what this means.

So then billions of persons are headed for hell because they have not heard the gospel message.
Even if they know about God and love Him and worship Him?
Is God Jesus?
Is Jesus God?

Wondering you can talk with me calmly without judgement if you like.

I understand your concern, how billions seem lost without believing in the name of Jesus Christ.

That is trust to God, if we cant believe in His word, we also wont be saved ( you know that much)

There is one name given under heaven by which we are saved, there is no salvation in any other. When people believe in other religions, they believed in other names, and they cannot be saved from any other name/way.

But, it does not stop us trusting in God, He is the creator and does as He has to, can you not just let that to Him and be contented with not knowing, as God is God, and we are people.




Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[gordon777]

We can fail when a poster absolutely does not read what you write but continues posting to you even after you've stated you no longer wish to discuss said topic.

Charity never fails.

We put charity on, and all who don't have charity can fail, why not do better than them wondering, and it wont be a failure ?

 

[gordon777]

What about persons that have never heard about Jesus?

The sound went into all the earth, but I can also tell you who hears now, is very few, in Christian countries.



Romans 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

 

[Cnkw3]

That would be how man understands, that is foolish.


Man believes it is wise to do evil, and of courser that is not wise with God. (we die for that evil)



Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?




Then we understand the wisdom of God, to send Christ to turn us away every one from our iniquities. ( for why is it wise to die ?)


Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.



Did Israel not think God was a fool to keep sending them warners, who they could take ( as they were unprotected) and murder them all including the Son ?

That IS the wisdom of God, as they killed themselves through it.

All the wicked joined against the Lord and His Anointed, but through their act of murder ( after they killed the prophets and then the Son, which was THE LORDS DOING AND THE WISDOM OF GOD and MANS FOOLISHNESS. Mark 12:1-11.) life comes to those who believe in all of the revealed WISDOM OF GOD..





Isaiah 9:14 Therefore the Lord will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day.
15 The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.
16 For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.

Luke 11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

Psalm 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Wow. Thats a lot of random verses. I have no idea what you are trying to say through all that.

 

[GodsGrace]

Wondering you can talk with me calmly without judgement if you like.

I understand your concern, how billions seem lost without believing in the name of Jesus Christ.

That is trust to God, if we cant believe in His word, we also wont be saved ( you know that much)

There is one name given under heaven by which we are saved, there is no salvation in any other. When people believe in other religions, they believed in other names, and they cannot be saved from any other name/way.

But, it does not stop us trusting in God, He is the creator and does as He has to, can you not just let that to Him and be contented with not knowing, as God is God, and we are people.




Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Acts. Yes. Speaking to Greeks about a god they had never heard of.

Here.
Maybe William Lane Craig can say this better than I can.
I hope you know who he is.

 

[gordon777]

Wow. Thats a lot of random verses. I have no idea what you are trying to say through all that.

Wisdom is when we don't be wise to ourselves but be wise to God instead..




Psalm 111:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.



Could be more random verses here:



Ecclesiastes 7:5 It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

1 Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

 

[gordon777]

Acts. Yes. Speaking to Greeks about a god they had never heard of.

Here.
Maybe William Lane Craig can say this better than I can.
I hope you know who he is.

Acts speaking to Israel who they thought they had heard of..


Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel,

 

[gordon777]

Acts. Yes. Speaking to Greeks about a god they had never heard of.

Here.
Maybe William Lane Craig can say this better than I can.
I hope you know who he is.

Do you want me to comment about eternal punishment and if it is fair or not ?


We are punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord.

If we never had the Lord present dwelling in us in life, it is the life we punished ourselves with already.




2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

 

[GodsGrace]

Do you want me to comment about eternal punishment and if it is fair or not ?


We are punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord.

If we never had the Lord present dwelling in us in life, it is the life we punished ourselves with already.




2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

If you watched the video and wish to respond to it, I'll be back in a while.
If you did not watch the video (which is obvious) then we should stop discussing.

 

[gordon777]

If you watched the video and wish to respond to it, I'll be back in a while.
If you did not watch the video (which is obvious) then we should stop discussing.

If you want to stop discussing with me, that is OK.

But if you want to go to any trouble to describe it, yourself to me, that is on you, to do or not to trouble yourself for what you clearly show you believe in rather than the word of God I shared so far with you.

 

[Cnkw3]

Yes. It's easier to be saved by hearing the gospel message.

Yes. God can be known only from His creation.

Yes. One can be saved without the gospel message....and I stated how. If you don't agree...it's fine.

No man comes to the Father but through Jesus.
Yes. Jesus died for all mankind.
1 John 2:2 you should do a little study on what this means.

So then billions of persons are headed for hell because they have not heard the gospel message.
Even if they know about God and love Him and worship Him?
Is God Jesus?
Is Jesus God?

1 Jn 2:2. According to your understanding means that EVERYBODY will be saved since he is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world. Yes, good exegesis.
If Billions have not heard the gospel its not Gods fault. It is because these people for hundreds and hundreds of years have turned the gospel away. I read a book here recently that explained what one prominent country did to missionaries and the gospel message years and years ago. They did not want there people to worship a God more then the current administration. They looked at that as a threat so they ran them out. Now, If generation after generation goes without hearing the gospel its not Gods fault that they are lost. They had their opportunity and they failed. There are plenty of places today which are not hospitable to Christians. This is not Gods fault.

 

[GodsGrace]

If you want to stop discussing with me, that is OK.

But if you want to go to any trouble to describe it, yourself to me, that is on you, to do or not to trouble yourself for what you clearly show you believe in rather than the word of God I shared so far with you.

Yes.
I'm rather tired of discussing.

 

[GodsGrace]

1 Jn 2:2. According to your understanding means that EVERYBODY will be saved since he is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world. Yes, good exegesis.
If Billions have not heard the gospel its not Gods fault. It is because these people for hundreds and hundreds of years have turned the gospel away. I read a book here recently that explained what one prominent country did to missionaries and the gospel message years and years ago. They did not want there people to worship a God more then the current administration. They looked at that as a threat so they ran them out. Now, If generation after generation goes without hearing the gospel its not Gods fault that they are lost. They had their opportunity and they failed. There are plenty of places today which are not hospitable to Christians. This is not Gods fault.

I said you should study that verse.
1 John 2:2

It's rather a deep concept and not for everyone to understand.

 

[Cnkw3]

I said you should study that verse.
1 John 2:2

It's rather a deep concept and not for everyone to understand.

Its no different then Jn 3:16. God so loved the world. But this doesn’t mean that the whole world will be saved just because God loves it. It is up to man to be obedient to his plan of pardon through Jesus.