Believe in God, you will be saved

[jerry63935]

sophisticated theological scrutiny.

not sure what Dorothy actual point is. there are areas i have agreed with her ion and lots i have not. i have been active in forums many years one thing i have learned . many like to use what i call the term flair when it comes to post. i my self am just a simple country boy. i only know one way and that is say what i mean and mean what i say . as i read all the post i see lots of religiosity.

i like paul writing he was a educated man learned from the Holy Ghost school of hard knocks . he knew exactly how to turn the tables for his defense. he actually confused his accusers.
one might say the perry mason and mattock of Christianity for the defense and offense ..then we have Peter the rugged fisherman who told Christ i go a fishing the one who cursed in denying he was a Jesus person .

in todays world as a ordained preacher.. they would have took his credentials away not allowed in the Presbytery. annexed from the Church . but yet the only preacher ever to bring a message and 3 thousand souls added
were not in a seminary working on getting a doctoral degree . one of the things i like about some of the men who hold doctor degrees .they are plain and simple .yet very rich in bible background . i fear often we gnat strain at some one else belief .

i will be the 1st to say if i dont agree with it yes it gets me in trouble at times .i dont want to be a pretend expert theologian. i just want to be me . i aint religious just saved

 

[jerry63935]

I’d also note that “being saved” is often overrated in certain theological circles.

Do you sin? Dorthy? We all sin.

over rated in todays world i am sure it is . all the more reason to add to the plan of salvation . then create a new church few years ago we had a church meet at a local dinner for bible study. they called a beer and bible study drink your favorite beer while studying the Bible 2very true story. some sin more than others

 

[stovebolts]

over rated in todays world i am sure it is . all the more reason to add to the plan of salvation . then create a new church few years ago we had a church meet at a local dinner for bible study. they called a beer and bible study drink your favorite beer while studying the Bible 2very true story. some sin more than others

Please don’t take me wrong, which your post infers.

The great commission is two fold.
1. Baptize
2. Disciple

We not only teach what sin is, we also teach what to do when we sin.

As I mentioned earlier to another member, we don’t teach easy believism. Instead, we teach accountability. When one sins, we confess those sins and we make things right. It’s not about punishment. Instead, it’s about a clean conscience. Most of all, it’s about entering into a healthy relationship with our creator.

If I could go one step further, my mission for this forum is unity, not uniformity. It’s not that we disagree as much as it is about how we handle ourselves during those disagreements. This is all biblical.

 

[jerry63935]

great commission

go into all the world first teach preach get them saved the rest follows suit believe first then baptize . to many place emphasis on baptism the act of justification is not baptism . baptism follows salvation we have local church baptizes for the remission of sins . which is %100 wrong water baptism never saved anyone. baptism is act of faith a statement of a follower of Jesu affirming our faith. saved justified sanctified baptized in the name of the father son Holy Ghost

 

[Dorothy Mae]

We don’t know what either of their crimes were.
I’d also note that “being saved” is often overrated in certain theological circles.

Do you sin? Dorthy? We all sin. Look at King David, he committed adultery with a married woman and then murdered her husband. That’s pretty serious.

David had an option. He could have responded like Saul did. But he didn’t.

What I think many people fail to see is this. It’s not that we sin, but how do we respond when we either become aware of that sin, or our sin becomes exposed.

The two criminals on the cross represent this perfectly. One to the left of him and one to his right.

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

One criminal is on Jesus Left, the other on his Right.

Saul - David. Both men committed grave sins. Both men responded differently when their sins were exposed.

Stove, I think you’re looking at this theologically. I’m looking at it practically. I see an incongruence with a man becoming a christian and making a living by being a criminal. (I do take the description as is, he was a thief, and he even admitted that he deserved his punishment.) There is a difference between not being sinless (the general population if not all
of us) and making a living through criminal activity (not the general population.) That’s all I meant. It’s hard to imagine him being a part of a group of believers and when the men exchange their job titles he casually mentions that he’s a thief. (Of course thieves don’t admit publicly their professional pursuits but it means they add lying to their list of affronts to God and man.)

 

[Dorothy Mae]

It appears to me you're overlaying your disdain for the OSAS theology onto the well-meaning original post. Jennifer is the moderator of the Orthodox Christianity forum. She can speak for herself, but Orthodoxy is about as far from "cheap grace salvation" as it is possible to get. I doubt the prayer by which any of us came to Christ would hold up to sophisticated theological scrutiny.

So you think the demons believe "in" God, even though this isn't what James said? I see a major distinction between believing "in" God and "believing there is one God" as James said. Believing "in" God implies trust and commitment that merely acknowledging the existence of God doesn't.

Whose Christianity are you sitting in judgment of here - mine or Jennifer's?

When I was an in-house attorney for a Fortune 100 corporation, we used to have a phrase for the General Counsel: "Often wrong but never in doubt." If the shoe fits, as the saying goes.

None of the above is true, but you probably like a knight in shining armor defending a damsel.

 

[Hopeful]

go into all the world first teach preach get them saved the rest follows suit believe first then baptize . to many place emphasis on baptism the act of justification is not baptism . baptism follows salvation we have local church baptizes for the remission of sins . which is %100 wrong water baptism never saved anyone. baptism is act of faith a statement of a follower of Jesu affirming our faith. saved justified sanctified baptized in the name of the father son Holy Ghost

Tell that to John the Baptist.
It is written..."John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." (Mark 1:4)

 

[Randy]

Tell that to John the Baptist.
It is written..."John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." (Mark 1:4)

John's baptism was a baptism of repentance and did not take away sin. That's why he testified to the people to believe in the one coming after Him meaning Christ Jesus who does take away the sin of the world. Of course Jesus disciples baptized in His name so that point is moot. But prayers were offered as well and we are sanctified by our faith in Jesus.

When one is baptized in Jesus's name they are outwardly confessing a pledging of a clear conscience before God and accepting Jesus as their Lord and savior. A belief in Christ and change of heart. That should also be done through prayer between one and Jesus who still see's everything with His eye's and hears everything with His ears. That inward belief in the heart and faith in Jesus prompting one to receive Him as Lord and savior is the importance not water baptism.

 

[jerry63935]

Tell that to John the Baptist.
It is written..."John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." (Mark 1:4)

please post what justification is john baptism was EXTERBAL 2 Christ baptism is eternal

 

[jerry63935]

When one is baptized in Jesus's name they are outwardly confessing a pledging of a clear conscience before God and accepting Jesus as their Lord and savior. A belief in Christ and change of heart.

 

[Hopeful]

John's baptism was a baptism of repentance and did not take away sin.

You must have misread the scripture I provided.
It says..."John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." (Mark 1:4)
I'm surprised you missed it.

That's why he testified to the people to believe in the one coming after Him meaning Christ Jesus who does take away the sin of the world. Of course Jesus disciples baptized in His name so that point is moot. But prayers were offered as well and we are sanctified by our faith in Jesus.

Faith that is manifested at baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, again for the remission of sins.

When one is baptized in Jesus's name they are outwardly confessing a pledging of a clear conscience before God and accepting Jesus as their Lord and savior. A belief in Christ and change of heart. That should also be done through prayer between one and Jesus who still see's everything with His eye's and hears everything with His ears. That inward belief in the heart and faith in Jesus prompting one to receive Him as Lord and savior is the importance not water baptism.

They are washed of all past sins by the blood of Christ.
They crucify and bury the old man of sin and are raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.
They undergo the circumcision done without hands in putting off the flesh so they can henceforth walk in the Spirt.
Why didn't your "new-age" POV mention any of that?

 

[Hopeful]

please post what justification is john baptism was EXTERBAL 2 Christ baptism is eternal

Would you please rephrase that?

 

[jerry63935]

Would you please rephrase that?

why sure hopefully it helps you see. what is justification then next 3 scriptures saying how we are justified all found in romans . John baptism was unto repentance external Christ baptism of the heart eternal you are totally off course water baptism is a answering of a clear conscience . baptism follows salvation born again first baptized 2nd .if by chance you want a work based salvation the the blood of Jesus is no avail and the word redemption is not needed

 

[jerry63935]

I'm surprised you missed it.

it is you who has missed it

 

[Randy]

You must have misread the scripture I provided.
It says..."John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." (Mark 1:4)
I'm surprised you missed it.

Faith that is manifested at baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, again for the remission of sins.

They are washed of all past sins by the blood of Christ.
They crucify and bury the old man of sin and are raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.
They undergo the circumcision done without hands in putting off the flesh so they can henceforth walk in the Spirt.
Why didn't your "new-age" POV mention any of that?

I didn't miss anything. The forgiveness of sins is in Christ alone not John the Baptist.

While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when a you believed?”

They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”

3So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”

“John’s baptism,” they replied.

4Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues b and prophesied. 7There were about twelve men in all.

 

[Hopeful]

why sure hopefully it helps you see.

Thanks.

what is justification then next 3 scriptures saying how we are justified all found in romans .

OK.

John baptism was unto repentance external

Sins don't reside on the skin.
Sins are internal.
They are the product of the mind, which is internal.

Christ baptism of the heart eternal

Water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is the same water baptism John did, both for the remission of sins.

water baptism is a answering of a clear conscience .

Yes, and like 1 Peter 3:21 makes clear..."by the resurrection of Christ".
Our "immersion" into Christ and into His death and burial provides our means of remission of past sins.
His blood.
And it provides our avenue to rebirth, when we are "raised with Him to walk in newness of life". (Rom 6:4)

baptism follows salvation

As salvation won't be granted until the final judgement, I can't agree.
Repent of sin, get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)

born again first baptized 2nd

As rebirth happens at water baptism, they are not really numbered in order.

if by chance you want a work based salvation the the blood of Jesus is no avail and the word redemption is not needed.

No works based salvation for me, thankyou.
I know that circumcision, feast keeping, tithing, temple worship, and dietary rules will not result in salvation on the last day.
Those are the works Paul wrote against doing for salvation.

 

[Hopeful]

it is you who has missed it

I can only quote what is written in the bible.

 

[Hopeful]

I didn't miss anything. The forgiveness of sins is in Christ alone not John the Baptist.

It is, now that Jesus has been raised from the dead.

While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when a you believed?”
They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
3So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”
“John’s baptism,” they replied.
4Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues b and prophesied. 7There were about twelve men in all.

John's baptism of repentance for the remission of sins could not provide the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins can...if the repentance from sin was real. (Acts 2:38)
Paul didn't ask the twelve at Ephesus if they had received remission of sins: he asked if they had received the Holy Ghost.

 

[jerry63935]

Thanks. y

OK.

Sins don't reside on the skin.
Sins are internal.
They are the product of the mind, which is internal.

Water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is the same water baptism John did, both for the remission of sins.

Yes, and like 1 Peter 3:21 makes clear..."by the resurrection of Christ".
Our "immersion" into Christ and into His death and burial provides our means of remission of past sins.
His blood.
And it provides our avenue to rebirth, when we are "raised with Him to walk in newness of life". (Rom 6:4)

As salvation won't be granted until the final judgement, I can't agree.
Repent of sin, get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)

As rebirth happens at water baptism, they are not really numbered in order.

No works based salvation for me, thankyou.
I know that circumcision, feast keeping, tithing, temple worship, and dietary rules will not result in salvation on the last day.
Those are the works Paul wrote against doing for salvation.

your out in left field

 

[Randy]

It is, now that Jesus has been raised from the dead.

John's baptism of repentance for the remission of sins could not provide the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins can...if the repentance from sin was real. (Acts 2:38)
Paul didn't ask the twelve at Ephesus if they had received remission of sins: he asked if they had received the Holy Ghost.

We are sanctified by FAITH in Jesus there is no other way and Johns baptism did NOT take away sin.

and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me