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So you have learned nothing in this thread? Has discussing Holy Scripture become meer chit chat?

Shame on you. (I bit, are you satisfied?)[/quote]

Stove,

I already knew this verse. You are the one who asked where it is.

when I bring up the topic, I already have knowledge myself. I don't bring up the subject I have now idea what I am talking about.

Now, are you angry because I don't follow your ways?

We cannot change people's mind. All we can do is express our convictions.

I express my convictions because that's is my call. Can you respect that?
 
Have I not been respecting that?

Dear Hitomi, I am not angry. Like yourself, I speak from God's word that convicts me. There are others on this site that have seen my anger, trust me, I am well versed in Long Suffering and if anything, I hold pity, not anger toward you. Will you grant me the same consideration?

But in regard to your last post, I am glad that you are satisifed with your understanding of scripture if that is where Christ has brought you. Personally, I find it somewhat ironic and humilating myself how I can read scripture a million times, but when the spirit leaps out of the pages and I actually begin to "get it"... well... what more can I say other than,

I am an unworthy servant of Christ.

Peace be with you and may his light shine through the cracks in your life for His glory.

Jeff
 
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Instead of responding to each post individually, I will do so in this one.

Gingercat, I'm glad you saw the humor. I wasn't meaning to be mean. Just a wake up call... that's all. :wink:

Jeff, There is a difference between a vain form of flattery and the uplifting of a brother or sister in staying with the "gospel" of the Holy Spirit.

If you can't write something to another woman as if your wife is looking over your shoulder and it is in line with "holy" spirit instead of the "vanity" of man, then I suggest you learn to know the difference between the two.

You denied having a point in your messages but the fact is there is always a point people are trying to get across. You weren't being "real".

Sorry if you didn't see that gingercat didn't' fall for your means of bait and hook, at all. She may get her message across in plain and simple terms, but I know she was not unprivy to the way in which you chose to keep her interested in conversing with you.
She asked you straight out.... "What's your point" and you denied there even being a point, and that you were just interested in conversation with her. And then, you would use even more "vain" flattery to keep her in the conversation. It was nauseating to say the least. There's a difference between being uplifting in the "holy" Spirit than in just using "vain flattery" to keep somes attention. It was so obvious StoveBolts, Only a fool would not have been able to see past your motive operandi and beating around the bush. :-?
I've watched your posts here on these boards for two years already. You have never before iterated in this type of approach. Sorry, the vain flattery never works with someone who can see through it, and it was clear that gingercat saw it and so did many others besides myself, I'm sure.

No bad feelings Jeff. Just letting you know... there is a difference between flattery and uplifting in keeping with the gospel of the "holy" spirit. You were overstepping that line. Unaware, maybe, but you did overstep. It reeked with vanity and flattery. I mean come on, there is compliments and then there is going overboard. I truly hope that on second thought you see where it was. Woman don't like being manipulated with flattery. Just be straight out and to the point. And keep the vanity to yourself and your wife. :wink:


Gingercat, No need to end the conversation. It was somewhat interesting, aside from the unnecessary flattery. :lol:

Don't mean to be a budinsky but I just couldn't take the game playing anymore, even though Jeff says there was none, his means of communicating said otherwise. Even if it was unbeknownst to him. And I saw you were being straight up and he was not. I know you saw beyond all that flattery also.

Sorry Jeff didn't admit to it, or even see it. Of course many men don't see what they are doing when it comes to flattery. Maybe they just don't get it? :o :smt102



Peace y'all. :smt109


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Relic,

I do see what you are saying. But let me say this in response.

Do you believe that Christ can change us? I do and I believe I am a living testiment to this.

You have known me on these boards for awhile now. This is very true. And have you seen any changes in me? I'm sure that you have seen many as Christ moves across my life.

Maybe the butter was spread a bit thick in a few places. So what, it wasn't vain and it wasn't fake. Are we so guarded that we cannot express what's on and in our hearts?

I recall a very nice thread that lovely posted on and for praising God. Ohh how I wanted to let go and praise God on this board with fellow Brothers and Sisters in Christ, but I was afraid and I didn't. You have no idea how many times I go to write something, and then I stop and re-word it or I don't post it at all. Mostly what you have seen from me on these boards has only been one side of me.

So you want to call me vain. I cannot stop you from your opinion. Yes, again I do see what you are saying and when I saw what you said, I felt my face turn red in embarrasment. Maybe even in shame. After all, our society says that I am supposed to be a Man. I am supposed to be strong. I am supposed to talk this way to other women.

As far as my wife goes. Your right, I should act as if she is watching over my shoulder. I'm sure that you are right and that she would not agree with some of what or how I have expressed myself in this thread. But I can tell you this, my wife knows that I love her and my wife knows that I would not purposfully hurt her. Perhaps it would be natural for her to become jelouse and for that, I am wrong. Thank you for this reminder. I will heed it.

But you go on to further say that I stated that I did not have a point. Perhaps I was a bit crafty. But my intent to share the gospel remaind none the less.
Truth be told, I wanted Hitomi to realize that there was more to the scriptures than she was seeing. In all honesty, I have enjoyed this thread and I hope that she did learn something and I hope that she does one day connect the dots. This does not negate that I lied and stated that I did not have a point. For that, I am sorry.

So anyway, I have now succesfully succeeded in discrediting myself. Looking back, perhaps the uplifts were a bit much, but from my heart, and I do care what you think, I meant much of it. It actually felt good to have hope and praise for another individuel on this forum.

Anyway, it is what it is. We live and we learn.... and we grow. I'm tired of being bitter and I can't seem to shake this forum... but somewhere in between, I found some peace and I enjoy the variety and I have learned much.

Ohh, I'm sure that there are a few that think I hate them, like Heidi, I don't. But this isn't about heidi and that's just how I feel.

Jeff
 
I am going on vacation tomorrow and will not return until next Wed. Do not think that I have run away in shame. I simply won't have access to the internet.
 
StoveBolts said:
I am going on vacation tomorrow and will not return until next Wed. Do not think that I have run away in shame. I simply won't have access to the internet.
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Jeff, I sent you a PM. I hope you understand more fully after you read it.

God bless you, you are correct. I have seen you blossom. No doubt. and I do know you are a good man. But I did explain to you in the PM about the use of innocent flattery used in general terms.

No harm, just a learned experience for us all.

I hope. :angel:

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Relic,

I dont think Jeff was being flatery. I belive he did not agree with what I am doing or my interpretation and he was just trying to get accors to me without using direct words.

I can understand why he was doing that but in reality this kind of approach is misleading and beating around the bush like you said.

Everyone trying to figure out what the others are trying to say and end up frustrating each other.

But this kind of way is considered loving way of communicating in this country. I disagree. I believe this kind of communication is dishonest, ineffective and misleading others.

I don't use this kind of approach and being told thousands of times unloving. I simply make my point directly and short. I ignore lengthy posts.

Thank you for your input. I have been bringing up this kind of approach every once in a while, but do not get much attention or just being brushed off. :roll:
 
Relic,

Thank you for the wake up call.


For those others reading, I am in a hotel in Indianapolis with our Church group at convention and I am not paying $9.99 per day each day I'm here for internet so this is it... And no, this forum was not my motive for getting high speed today...

Enjoy your easter weekend!
 
gingercat said:
Relic,

I dont think Jeff was being flatery. I belive he did not agree with what I am doing or my interpretation and he was just trying to get accors to me without using direct words.

I can understand why he was doing that but in reality this kind of approach is misleading and beating around the bush like you said.

Everyone trying to figure out what the others are trying to say and end up frustrating each other.

But this kind of way is considered loving way of communicating in this country. I disagree. I believe this kind of communication is dishonest, ineffective and misleading others.

I don't use this kind of approach and being told thousands of times unloving. I simply make my point directly and short. I ignore lengthy posts.

Thank you for your input. I have been bringing up this kind of approach every once in a while, but do not get much attention or just being brushed off. :roll:
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Ineffective is a good word for it.

I don't think you are being ignored at all. People have very lengthy converstaions with you. I find it peculiar because you do give short and to the point replies most of the time. I don't know what blanket statements are being referred to.
I tend to write too much and am redundant in much of what I write. Sometimes writing the same thing in a different way twice or more in a letter. A flaw of mine I've been working on correcting. :)


Jeff is a very sensitive person. All is settled and taken with much thought. I think Jeff is a blessed young man in that he does take to heart what is said to him. It is eveident Jeff learns from ALL that is going on around him. His wife and children are very blessed to have a considerate and flexable man like him in their lives because he thinks is so able and willing to be open about things when they are pointed out to him. :) He's a good man, and I respect and appreciate his spiritual insight and contributions here. :bday:

Have a blessed and wonderful weekend with your family Jeff! :angel:



Oh, and every one else have a blessed and wonderful weekend. :-D


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