Born Again Of The Holy Spirit

[JLB]

No, I don't understand YOUR interpretation given that nowhere in Scripture is the term "water" synonymous with natural birth (i.e. being born). Rather, it is associated with being born again. For example...

My question was -


Do you understand what the phrase means:

This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. 1 John 5:6

not only by water, but by water and blood.



JLB

 

[ezrider]

Can someone explain why someone who claims to be "born again" or "born anew" would still be awaiting the resurrection? If you have been born anew from death, then have you not also been resurrected with Christ? But some say the resurrection happens at the last day. If so, then how can they also say they are born again?

 

[chessman]

Can someone explain why someone who claims to be "born again" or "born anew" would still be awaiting the resurrection?

Peter takes a stab at it by explaining it is so that the genuineness of your faith may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ:

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, into an inheritance imperishable and undefiled and unfading, reserved in heaven for you who are being protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time, in which you rejoice greatly, although now for a short time, if necessary, you are distressed by various trials, so that the genuineness of your faith, more valuable than gold that is passing away, but is tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ, whom, although you have not seen, you love; in whom now you believe, although you do not see him, and you rejoice greatly with joy inexpressible and full of glory, obtaining the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.​

1 Peter 1:3-9 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Peter 1:3-9&version=LEB

If you have been born anew from death, then have you not also been resurrected with Christ?

Only our souls have. The glorification of our bodies awaits the return of the Firstfruit:

Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for sincere brotherly love, love one another fervently from the heart, because you have been born again, not from perishable seed but imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.​

1 Peter 1:22-23 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Peter 1:22-23&version=LEB

 

[ezra]

Can someone explain why someone who claims to be "born again" or "born anew" would still be awaiting the resurrection? If you have been born anew from death, then have you not also been resurrected with Christ? But some say the resurrection happens at the last day. If so, then how can they also say they are born again?

we have been resurrected to a new life. some day we will be resurrected to heaven when the trumpet sounds .what your saying sounds a lot like calvinism

 

[ezrider]

we have been resurrected to a new life. some day we will be resurrected to heaven when the trumpet sounds .what your saying sounds a lot like calvinism

Are we to be resurrected twice? If we have been resurrected to a new life, why do we need to be resurrected again?

 

[Christ_empowered]

Like all miracles, the 2nd birth is a small taste of what Heaven will be like.

 

[JLB]

Can someone explain why someone who claims to be "born again" or "born anew" would still be awaiting the resurrection?

Because we have not yet physically died.



JLB

 

[ezra]

Are we to be resurrected twice? If we have been resurrected to a new life, why do we need to be resurrected again?

as jlb said we get our glorified body when resurrected whne we pass away

 

[for_his_glory]

Can someone explain why someone who claims to be "born again" or "born anew" would still be awaiting the resurrection? If you have been born anew from death, then have you not also been resurrected with Christ? But some say the resurrection happens at the last day. If so, then how can they also say they are born again?

Those who have been Spiritually born again/renewed of their spirit by that of the Holy Spirit are waiting for the events written in 1 Corinthians 15:51-58 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 that will take place on the last day when Christ returns. John 5:28, 29; 6:40. This is the resurrection of all who are in the grave that those who are of Christ that have physically died are then on the last day raised from their graves and joined with those who are still alive at His coming as we are then caught up to Jesus and receive our inheritance of life eternal with the Father.

While we are still physically alive waiting for His glorious return we are to be Spiritually risen with Christ.

Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

 

[ezrider]

Those who have been Spiritually born again/renewed of their spirit by that of the Holy Spirit are waiting for the events written in 1 Corinthians 15:51-58 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 that will take place on the last day when Christ returns. John 5:28, 29; 6:40. This is the resurrection of all who are in the grave that those who are of Christ that have physically died are then on the last day raised from their graves and joined with those who are still alive at His coming as we are then caught up to Jesus and receive our inheritance of life eternal with the Father.

1 Corinthians 15:51-58
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.


So what I hear you saying is that you have not yet gained victory over Death, and that for you with death their remains a sting.

So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?


But I show you a mystery. I show you a wedding garment; But some prefer battle armor. Yet it is written that he who lives by the sword, shall die by the sword.


Hosea 2:19-20
And I will betroth thee unto me for ever;
yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment,
and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness:
and thou shalt know the Lord.

 

[Razeontherock]

It's similar to the notion that Jesus was a carpenter. When actually he worked with rock. The term meaning "general construction labor" was translated at the time as a carpenter because a stone Mason was a higher trade skill...but the ruins and other writings from the time period show all construction was done in rock.

This makes so much sense! I have often marvelled at Jesus being a carpenter in a land with no / few trees. Rocks grow in deserts :biggrin

 

[Razeontherock]

But I show you a mystery. I show you a wedding garment; But some prefer battle armor.

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It is not one or the other; BOTH are Scriptural!

 

[ezrider]

It is not one or the other; BOTH are Scriptural!

Do you want to know what is also scriptural. Both Blessings and curses. Behold. I set before thee both life and death. Most chose death.

 

[JLB]

Trees Of The Holy Land

by Wayne Blank

Despite modern-day reforestation projects, the land of Israel was much more extensively forested during the times of Bible History than today. There are hundreds of references to trees and types of wood in The Bible. Examples of trees found in Israel during ancient times (various Bible translations sometimes identify species differently) -
Cedars Of LebanonAlgum

Also known as Grecian Juniper, it grows to over 60 feet / 18 meters with a pyramid shape. Prevalent in Lebanon and Gilead, it was used in the Temple built by Solomon (2 Chronicles 2:8)

Almond

A member of the peach family that blooms very early. Almond blossoms were carved in the lampstand in The Tabernacle In The Wilderness (Exodus 25:33-36). Aaron's rod was made to miraculously sprout almonds as a sign of his God-given authority (Numbers 17:1-10) (see Aaron and Levites).

Almugwood

Almug, or red sandalwood, is a beautiful pleasant-smelling wood that Solomon imported for the pillars of the Temple (1 Kings 10:11-12) (see Layout Of Solomon's Temple)

Box

The box tree is a hardy evergreen of Lebanon and northern Israel that was used for ornamental work (Isaiah 60:13)

Cedar

Cedar was a fragrant evergreen that was often used for building. It was also used in sacrificial fires (Numbers 19:6). Cedar Of Lebanon (seen in the illustration above) was a large magnificent evergreen that is quite rare today.

Chestnut

The chestnut, or plane tree, was found along streams and rivers. Jacob used branches of the chestnut in his curious manner of breeding his flocks (Genesis 30:37) (see The Shepherd)

Cyprus

Cyprus wood was used by Noah to build the ark (Genesis 6:14) (see The Flood and How Big Was Noah's Ark?)

Ebony

Ebony is a strong black wood that takes a fine polish. It is native to India and Sri Lanka (Ezekiel 27:15)

Fig

The Fig Tree is referred to widely though the Old Testament and New Testament. Jesus Christ made a number of references to fig trees (Matthew 7:16, Luke 21:29-31). The Sycamore was another type of fig tree (Luke 19:4).

Fir

The fir, also translated as pine, was a symbol of nobility (Isaiah 60:13). In later times, during The Crusades, they were still growing densely from Jerusalem to Bethlehem (see also Bethlehem Fact File).

Green Bay

The green bay was a symbol of both wealth and evil (Psalm 37:35). It was small with shoots sprouting up from the ground, and a perfumed oil was obtained from the leaves.

Oak

The oak was a strong, magnificent tree that usually grew alone on high ground. It was sometimes used as a symbol of strength and long life.

Oil Tree

Also called the Jerusalem Willow, or Oleaster, it produces a small bitter olive that was used for oil. (Isaiah 41:19)

Olive

The Olive Tree was an important source of food and oil. Fine olive oil was used in the lamp inside the Tabernacle (Exodus 27:20)

Palm

The date palm could sometimes reach 100 feet / 30 meters, and produced a great quantity of fruit on a single tree. The fibrous leaves were also used to weave mats. They favored the hot area of the The Dead Sea. Jericho (see The Fall Of Jericho and Joshua) was also known as the City of Palms (Judges 1:16). During their Wilderness Journey, the Israelites under Moses camped near the springs at Elim where there were seventy palm trees (Exodus 15:27).

Pine

The pine is a tall coniferous tree with long needles and seed-bearing "pine cones." It was often used for building (Isaiah 44:14).

Poplar

The poplar is a tall fast-growing tree that favors moist areas along the Euphrates (see The Tigris-Euphrates Valley) and Jordan River (see The Jordan Valley) (Genesis 30:37).

Shittah

Wood of the shittah, or acacia tree, is mentioned numerous times in the Bible. The Ark Of The Covenant, which contained The Ten Commandments was made of acacia wood (Exodus 25:10) (see Temple Mount Treasures)

Tamarisk

Tamarisk were small desert trees. Abraham planted one at Beersheba (Genesis 21:33)

Thyine

Thyine wood, translated as citron in some versions, was a small, slow-growing evergreen, related to the arbor-vitae. It produces sandarac, a resin used for making varnish and incense (Revelation 18:12).

Turpentine Tree

Found in hot, dry places and translated under various names, the turpentine tree produces an oil resin with commercial value (Isaiah 6:13).

Willow

Like poplars, willows favored wet areas along rivers and streams, from Israel to Syria (Ezekiel 17:5).

Wormwood

Wormwood is related to the western sagebrush. The oil from the plant is used to flavor Absinthe, a liqueur. The plant was used to symbolize bitterness (Revelation 8:11)


http://www.keyway.ca/htm2000/20000208.htm


JLB

 

[Razeontherock]

I'm not arguing with anyone. But many are trying to argue.
There's a footnote in every modern Bible over this phrase...I was trying to explain it and got blasted for explaining it. It actually refers to some pretty cool theological truths. But it's not information necessary for someone to have Salvation.

But for those who enjoy exploring these sorts of things...I was giving them something to look at.
There are many people who are interested in something beyond the basics...and it's not going to be something spoon fed from pulpits. But there are very few people helping them find things to study. If you are not interested in this position or understanding it then why do you keep repeating the most common teaching about it?

What I see you saying is perfectly in line with the idea that God's design for us is foreign by nature; much better than we are inclined to believe. Salvation is like that!

"Who we are in Christ Jesus" is something we need to continually discover, and renew our minds to. We have an inheritance. A very rich inheritance!

 

[Razeontherock]

Do you want to know what is also scriptural. Both Blessings and curses. Behold. I set before thee both life and death. Most chose death.

Ephesians 6 is not a curse

 

[ezrider]

Ephesians 6 is not a curse

Who said it was?

 

[ezrider]

But I show you a mystery. I show you a wedding garment; But some prefer battle armor. Yet it is written that he who lives by the sword, shall die by the sword.

Ephesians 6 is not a curse

Why do you put on the armor of Eph 6? Is it not so that you may protect yourself from the fiery darts of the enemy?
Why it is that you protect yourself from the fiery darts of the enemy? Is it because you still fear the sting of death?

Yet in a moment and the twinkling of the eye, we shall be changed and that corruptible must put on incorruptible, then shall be brought to pass the saying.. Oh death where is thy sting!

If you are called to battle, then wear your armor. If you have been called to the wedding, then you will put off your armor for a new garment.

 

[ezrider]

The first King of Israel fell upon his own sword in the midst of battle.

The last King of Israel was nailed to a cross.

 

[Razeontherock]

1 John 5:6 does not state Jesus was born of water and blood.

Please try again: Can you provide one single instance in the Scriptures or anywhere in antiquity where water is synonymous with natural birth? How about anywhere in modernity where water is synonymous with being born? For example, if I asked someone when were they watered, would they know I was asking when they were born?

That's not going to work when you're conversing with someone who sees the passage(s) as clearly referencing the birth of an infant. The converse is also true of those who see all such passages as speaking of Baptism.

The overlap suggests the origin of infant Baptism