Born Again?

[Thankful1]

Born Again?

Is there an accepted understanding amongst protestant churches, of what Born Again means.

If not an accepted meaning of Born Again between all protestant, would people please share their understanding, and give what denominations belief they are sharing?

 

[ezra]

Born Again?

Is there an accepted understanding amongst protestant churches, of what Born Again means.

If not an accepted meaning of Born Again between all protestant, would people please share their understanding, and give what denominations belief they are sharing?

its a spiritual birth just like a natural birth a seed was planted in the womb of the mom. being born again is a seed planted in our heart by the word of GOD..through the holy spirit. one plants one waters God gets the increase .

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. thus we become a new creation in Christ denomination has nothing to do with it. for its bible john 3:3:yes

 

[Adullam]

It means being regenerated by the Holy Spirit. This entails receiving a new operating system (a divine nature) after being cleansed by the blood of Christ. So we are then born from above by the will of God...and this in order to run the race towards a full maturity in Christ. We are born into a war against the devil and the world's systems....and ultimately sin itself. We begin as completely renewed, clean, spotless. Our growth is dependent on learning to remain that way keeping our garments clean so that we might be vessels of honour rather than vessels of shame.

 

[Mitspa]

its a spiritual birth just like a natural birth a seed was planted in the womb of the mom. being born again is a seed planted in our heart by the word of GOD..through the holy spirit. one plants one waters God gets the increase .

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. thus we become a new creation in Christ denomination has nothing to do with it. for its bible john 3:3:yes

We are born-again by faith in His Word. We are kept clean by being washed by His Word. made righteous by faith, kept clean by faith. No man my glory in any self-effort or self-cleaning,

 

[BornAgain]

Born Again?

Is there an accepted understanding amongst protestant churches, of what Born Again means.

If not an accepted meaning of Born Again between all protestant, would people please share their understanding, and give what denominations belief they are sharing?

To enter the kingdom one must be born of water and the Spirit. Since things equal to the same thing are equal to each other, it follows that to be born of water and the Spirit is to believe the gospel, repent of one's sins, confess one's faith in Christ and be baptized for the remission sins. John 3:5http://www.crossbooks.com/verse.asp?ref=Jn+3:5 figuratively states what is literally affirmed in Acts 2:38. To be born "anew" is simply to obey the gospel. It is not surprising that those who deny to baptism its proper place among the conditions of pardon would interpret "water" in John 3:5http://www.crossbooks.com/verse.asp?ref=Jn+3:5 to mean something other than baptism; in so doing, they are in conflict with the scholarship of the world, both ancient and modern.

I always take a lot of criticism for this but I do not say it, the bible does. To be born again you must be baptized.

 

[Thankful1]

its a spiritual birth just like a natural birth a seed was planted in the womb of the mom. being born again is a seed planted in our heart by the word of GOD..through the holy spirit. one plants one waters God gets the increase .

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. thus we become a new creation in Christ denomination has nothing to do with it. for its bible john 3:3:yes

I will share other people’s understanding, and you will see that people do have different understanding of what the Word of God tells us. By the way none of the following understandings of Born Again is mine.
The term "regeneration" is the Greek word palingenesia (used only in Matthew 19:28 of creation and Titus 3:5). The Titus text refers to the regeneration of the individual, "He saved us, not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit".

The Bible expresses the concept in numerous places with other terms like born again, renewed, remade, and born of God. For instance, in John 3:3-8 Jesus tells Nicodemus that in order to enter the kingdom of God, he must be born again. This thought is echoed in 1 Peter 1:23, "Since you have been born again not of perishable seed but of imperishable through the living and enduring word of God."

The Bible clearly teaches that man must undergo a spiritual re-creation in order to have a relationship with God or enter His kingdom.

Paul provides further explanation in Ephesians 2:1: "You were dead in your trespasses and sins." Clearly Paul does not mean physical death but instead is referring to man's spiritual state. Sin has left man dead spiritually, unable to respond to God. However, regeneration reawakens or resurrects man's spiritual capacity so that he can have relationship with God. Paul explained in Ephesians 2:4-5, "Because of His great love that He had for us, [God] made us alive with the Messiah even though we were dead in trespasses".

Regeneration gives man the ability to commune with God, thus making man a "new creation" (2 Corinthians 5:17).
The Bible is clear that regeneration is brought about by the Holy Spirit alone (Titus 3:5; 1 Corinthians 2:6-16).

Regeneration is the catalyst that allows the Christian to interact with his creator. It's the beginning step of an eternal walk with God. Regeneration allows the individual to have a relationship with God and thus stands at the beginning of the Christian life.

Regeneration, or new birth, is an inner re-creating of fallen human nature by the gracious sovereign action of the Holy Spirit (John 3:5-8).

It's my hope that you've experienced this new-birth yourself.[/QUOTE]

1. [John 3:3]3Ἀπεκρίθη he/she/it-was-ANSWER-ed { ὁ the (nom) ♦ - } Ἰησοῦς Jeshua (nom) καὶ and/also εἶπεν he/she/it-SAY/TELL-ed αὐτῷ him/it/same (dat) , Ἀμὴν amen ἀμὴν amen λέγω I-am-SAY/TELL-ing, I-should-be-SAY/TELL-ing σοι you(sg) (dat); your/yours(sg) (nom|voc); (fut opt) , ἐὰν if-ever μή not τις some/any (nom) γεννηθῇ he/she/it-should-be-GIVE BIRTH TO-ed ἄνωθεν from above , οὐ not δύναται capable ([Adj] nom|voc); he/she/it-is-being-ABLE-ed ἰδεῖν to-VIEW/SEE τὴν the (acc) βασιλείαν kingdom (acc) τοῦ the (gen) θεοῦ god (gen) .

Here is how Young's Literal Translation has it: 3 Jesus answered and said to him, 'Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God;'

I don't believe the words "From Above" have the same connotation as "Again" does.
its a spiritual birth just like a natural birth a seed was planted in the womb of the mom. being born again is a seed planted in our heart by the word of GOD..through the holy spirit. one plants one waters God gets the increase .

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. thus we become a new creation in Christ denomination has nothing to do with it. for its bible john 3:3:yes
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[ezra]

I will share other people’s understanding, and you will see that people do have different understanding of what the Word of God tells us. By the way none of the following understandings of Born Again is mine.
The term "regeneration" is the Greek word palingenesia (used only in Matthew 19:28 of creation and Titus 3:5). The Titus text refers to the regeneration of the individual, "He saved us, not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit".

i could have used the word "regeneration" or unregenerate man. i chose not to i will tell you what the biggest problem with the term born again is.-----> MAN keeps trying to improve the plan of salvation .

This entails receiving a new operating system (a divine nature) after being cleansed by the blood of Christ. So we are then born from above by the will of God..

i like this explanation :yes when i read the operating system i thought of a computer that the windows program was corrupted and had to be wiped clean and a new operating system was installed . or one could use upgraded from vista to windows 7 . a new beginning:yes

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

To enter the kingdom one must be born of water and the Spirit. Since things equal to the same thing are equal to each other, it follows that to be born of water and the Spirit is to believe the gospel, repent of one's sins, confess one's faith in Christ and be baptized for the remission sins. John 3:5 figuratively states what is literally affirmed in Acts 2:38. To be born "anew" is simply to obey the gospel. It is not surprising that those who deny to baptism its proper place among the conditions of pardon would interpret "water" in John 3:5 to mean something other than baptism; in so doing, they are in conflict with the scholarship of the world, both ancient and modern.

I always take a lot of criticism for this but I do not say it, the bible does. To be born again you must be baptized.

It is a disobedience of the Acts 2:38 command whenever the attempt to obey that command is by repenting of sins. The Acts 2:38 command can only be obeyed by the faith of repenting of a sin not sins.

 

[ezra]

To be born again you must be baptized.

follows salvation the thief on the cross was not baptized

 

[Webb]

Sorry Theodore Acts 2:38 reads "sins" plural not sin, singular. In fact plenty of times the NT even uses the word "sin" to stand for the plural.

Ezra, how do you know the thief wasn't baptized? Can you prove it? Any way you go the thief on the cross died and was buried long before Jesus said "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Sorry Theodore Acts 2:38 reads "sins" plural not sin, singular. In fact plenty of times the NT even uses the word "sin" to stand for the plural.

Ezra, how do you know the thief wasn't baptized? Can you prove it? Any way you go the thief on the cross died and was buried long before Jesus said "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.

The Acts 2:38 statement says that a person sins will be forgiven if this command is obeyed. But you need to see Acts 18:24-26 & 19:1-7 in both of these cases the reason to be baptized was repenting of sins. And in both cases a teacher of that doctine had to be corrected and unrelated believers of the repenting of sins doctrine had to be corrected also. The only sin that can be repented to obey the Acts 2:38 command is the sin of Jesus crucifixion which is the sin that circumcised their hearts when they were reminded of what they had done. No person will be given the Holy Spirit on the basis of repenting of sins. If that conjecture were true there would not have been any reason for Jesus' crucifixion. "When he comes he will convict the world of guilt in regard to (a) sin". Make another try.

 

[Mitspa]

Ezra, how do you know the thief wasn't baptized? Can you prove it?

Oh come on? how do you know he did not grow wings and fly? The whole point of the Holy Spirit bringing us the two sinners was that one sinner believed and was saved and the other did not! How do you know the other one was not baptized? But he did not turn to Christ in faith!

Rom 10:9

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11

For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

 

[Webb]

Theodore--Yes, I'll gladly try again. Back to the original verse in question, Acts 2:38. Regarding that Peter further said: "for the promise is unto you (those of vs. 38, emp. mine webb) , and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call", vs.39. You and I are included in those who "are afar off" yet we were not physically of that mob who crucified Jesus.

Acts 2:38 still reads "sins", not "sin". Please deal with that.

 

[Webb]

Mitspa---No one knows if either thief was baptized, although they could have as many flocked to John's baptism as you should well know. True, its a mute subject and I only raised the question because someone said the thief had not been baptized. As I said, Jesus didn't say he that believeth and is baptized until AFTER the cross.

 

[ezra]

Ezra, how do you know the thief wasn't baptized? Can you prove it? Any way you go the thief on the cross died and was buried long before Jesus said "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.

did he come down from the cross he was nailed to. what a off the wall question this is the 2nd post of this nature it makes no sense to go on and on. we are either born again , saved or converted . no in between no straddling the fence .. its a know so salvation, not a i think so i hope so . the Bible says we can know we have eternal life. at my home church we have a banner if your %99 saved your %100 lost:yes if folks would study the Bible they can know these things>

 

[ezra]

Mitspa---No one knows if either thief was baptized, although they could have as many flocked to John's baptism as you should well know. True, its a mute subject and I only raised the question because someone said the thief had not been baptized. As I said, Jesus didn't say he that believeth and is baptized until AFTER the cross.

hold up how on earth with nails in your hand and feet nailed to a cross. is a person going to be baptized? him being a condemned criminal. there is no way they are going to let him out of jail*

 

[Mitspa]

Mitspa---No one knows if either thief was baptized, although they could have as many flocked to John's baptism as you should well know. True, its a mute subject and I only raised the question because someone said the thief had not been baptized. As I said, Jesus didn't say he that believeth and is baptized until AFTER the cross.

So what scriptual point is to made by such a question? And I think maybe the Holy Spirit would have brought out that point had it been needed for the mans salvation.
Its seems you are willing to go beyond the scriptures and into your own realm of thought to make a point the Holy Spirit was not trying to make? Maybe this or maybe that? Did God really say? is what I hear in that kind of use of scripture!

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

hold up how on earth with nails in your hand and feet nailed to a cross. is a person going to be baptized? him being a condemned criminal. there is no way they are going to let him out of jail*

Neither thief was nailed to their crosses. Only Jesus was nailed to a cross as the prophets had predicted.

 

[Webb]

Hi Mitspa

Did I not say it was a mute mute subject as to whether either or both thieves were baptized or not baptized? Did I not say no one knows whether the thief was baptized or not because someone had raised the question of baptism? What I have said which is fact, is that Jesus language of Mark 16:15-16 was not spoken until AFTER the thief on the cross had died. Now, is that fact or not? I say its a fact.
God bless

 

[Webb]

Folks, I'm going to bed, its been a long day---bless all!