Calling Samuel's Spirit, what's it?

[JLB]

What? You think Martha and Mary's brother was in the place of torment for the four days he was dead?

Please show the chapter and verse where Mary's brother Lazarus was in Abraham's Bosom.


Where was Abraham's Bosom?


JLB

 

[Butch5]

Ah ok so you say the spirits in prison are the same as for His Glory does and differ with her only in the timing of the preaching. This is more acceptable than the interpretation that suggests only the ante deluvians ( Angels and Believers ) received this preaching imo ( what about those between the flood and the Cross etc ). When I say context trumps word usage I mean if we look at the passage, where the preaching to the spirits in prison is located, it suggests Noah was the subject because of the message. Sometimes we can use words in strange ways to give a message and even use them in incorrect tense etc. I don't get how word usage always determines context.

Hi agua,

Why do you thing Noah is the one who was preaching? I don't think the preaching was the Gospel, I believe Jesus, after His resurrection went an proclaimed (preached) to the spirits in prison that He now has authority over them. I believe it was sometime between His resurrection and His ascension that He did this. Just before He ascended He told His apostles,

17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
(Mat 28:17-20 NKJ)

I think that is what He proclaimed (preached) to those spirits.

When I was talking about the context the point I was making is that the words we choose set the context of a statement.

 

[agua.]

Hi agua,

Why do you thing Noah is the one who was preaching?

Butch the scriptures we are discussing are contained in a section which is about encouragement for believers to stand strong in the face of adversity because we have the Holy Spirit ( Spirit of Christ ) inside us. Look at the passage.

1Pe 3:15-18 KJV But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: (16) Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. (17) For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

The context is "suffering for doing well" ( notice " For Christ also suffered for sins" ) and the implication is that believers will also suffer because of other peoples sins ( just for the unjust ). We're then told that Jesus was put to death in the flesh and made alive by the Spirit which is the same as has happened to us now ( the transformation after believing as symbolized through baptism ) and will happen to us at the resurrection.

Rom 8:10-11 KJV And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Believers have nothing to fear when persecuted and have Jesus as proof.

Then we see that Jesus preached to the spirits in prison "by the Spirit " and the comparison to the days of Noah and the longsuffering of God during that time which is similar to our situation now. ( 2Pe 3:9 KJV The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.)


1Pe 3:19-21 KJV By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; (20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Then we see the inference of salvation through baptism which comes through quickening by the before mentioned Spirit by ( and as did ) the resurrection of Jesus.

(21) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Notice also that 1Peter 4 goes on with this message of encouragement in the face of adversity culminating with.

1Pe 4:19 KJV Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

I don't think the preaching was the Gospel, I believe Jesus, after His resurrection went an proclaimed (preached) to the spirits in prison that He now has authority over them. I believe it was sometime between His resurrection and His ascension that He did this. Just before He ascended He told His apostles,

17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
(Mat 28:17-20 NKJ)

I think that is what He proclaimed (preached) to those spirits.

It's an interesting idea Butch and I hadn't heard of it until you presented it and it's the second most logical explanation Ive heard ( :D ). It doesn't violate other scripture which is good.

I think the message was presented by Noah and was to repent from evil and turn to God and be saved from the coming flood which is no different to our current Gospel message really, and this is why it's encouraging to us ( Noah was saved from out of the evil world ).

When I was talking about the context the point I was making is that the words we choose set the context of a statement.

Ah ok I get ya. I think the context of the passage we are discussing is set by the subject matter ( 1Peter 3:9 - 1Peter4:19 ) and not necessarily the one sentence ( 1 Peter 3:18,19,20 ) Considering the subject matter how does Jesus proclaiming that he has " all authority in Heaven and Earth" to disobedient Angels after the resurrection fit with this ?

Thanks Butch I appreciate your ear and patience.

 

[Butch5]

Butch the scriptures we are discussing are contained in a section which is about encouragement for believers to stand strong in the face of adversity because we have the Holy Spirit ( Spirit of Christ ) inside us. Look at the passage.

1Pe 3:15-18 KJV But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: (16) Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. (17) For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

The context is "suffering for doing well" ( notice " For Christ also suffered for sins" ) and the implication is that believers will also suffer because of other peoples sins ( just for the unjust ). We're then told that Jesus was put to death in the flesh and made alive by the Spirit which is the same as has happened to us now ( the transformation after believing as symbolized through baptism ) and will happen to us at the resurrection.

Rom 8:10-11 KJV And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Believers have nothing to fear when persecuted and have Jesus as proof.

Then we see that Jesus preached to the spirits in prison "by the Spirit " and the comparison to the days of Noah and the longsuffering of God during that time which is similar to our situation now. ( 2Pe 3:9 KJV The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.)


1Pe 3:19-21 KJV By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; (20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Then we see the inference of salvation through baptism which comes through quickening by the before mentioned Spirit by ( and as did ) the resurrection of Jesus.

(21) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Notice also that 1Peter 4 goes on with this message of encouragement in the face of adversity culminating with.

1Pe 4:19 KJV Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.[/quote]

I’m still not seeing why you think it was Noah who is being spoken of here. Are you suggesting that Jesus was a spirit?

It's an interesting idea Butch and I hadn't heard of it until you presented it and it's the second most logical explanation Ive heard ( ). It doesn't violate other scripture which is good.

I think the message was presented by Noah and was to repent from evil and turn to God and be saved from the coming flood which is no different to our current Gospel message really, and this is why it's encouraging to us ( Noah was saved from out of the evil world ).

I agree that Noah was a preacher of righteousness, but, the passage says Jesus preached. I’m not see how you’re making the connection that the passage is talking about Noah.

Ah ok I get ya. I think the context of the passage we are discussing is set by the subject matter ( 1Peter 3:9 - 1Peter4:19 ) and not necessarily the one sentence ( 1 Peter 3:18,19,20 ) Considering the subject matter how does Jesus proclaiming that he has " all authority in Heaven and Earth" to disobedient Angels after the resurrection fit with this ?

Thanks Butch I appreciate your ear and patience.

I agree that a single sentence doesn’t necessarily determine the context. My point about the verse was that I understand that the Greek grammar requires that the preaching was done after the resurrection. It’s not really an issue of context but rather one of grammar.

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[agua.]

I agree that Noah was a preacher of righteousness, but, the passage says Jesus preached. I’m not see how you’re making the connection that the passage is talking about Noah.

You'll need to study what I wrote above Butch. The passage encourages us ( believers ) to preach as we have the same Spirit Noah did ( Spirit of Jesus ) albeit with a tricky scripture to understand.

I agree that a single sentence doesn’t necessarily determine the context. My point about the verse was that I understand that the Greek grammar demands that the preaching was done after the resurrection. It’s not really an issue of context but rather one of grammar.

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Oky doky mate.

 

[Deborah13]

You'll need to study what I wrote above Butch. The passage encourages us ( believers ) to preach as we have the same Spirit Noah did ( Spirit of Jesus ) albeit with a tricky scripture to understand.
Oky doky mate.

I agree with you about 3:19, Noah preaching by the Spirit during the 120 yrs. as he built the ark.
I think to say that Jesus preached to the spirits of the dead men who lived during that 120 yrs. would be inconsistent within the context, in my opinion.

Another tricky one is 4:6. I think it is talking about...

1Pe 4:4 in which they think it strange--your not running with them to the same excess of dissoluteness, speaking evil,
1Pe 4:5 who shall give an account to Him who is ready to judge living and dead,
1Pe 4:6 for for this also to dead men was good news proclaimed, that they may be judged, indeed, according to men in the flesh, and may live according to God in the spirit.

Peter was an apostle to the Jews so I'm thinking...he's telling the Jewish converts that the gospel was preached to the gentiles and that they were judge by unbelievers, too and they could live for God, too.

 

[agua.]

I agree with you about 3:19, Noah preaching by the Spirit during the 120 yrs. as he built the ark.
I think to say that Jesus preached to the spirits of the dead men who lived during that 120 yrs. would be inconsistent within the context, in my opinion.

Cool. ( Notice that Butch isn't suggesting the spirits in prison are men from Noah's day but Angels who sinned )

Another tricky one is 4:6. I think it is talking about...

1Pe 4:4 in which they think it strange--your not running with them to the same excess of dissoluteness, speaking evil,
1Pe 4:5 who shall give an account to Him who is ready to judge living and dead,
1Pe 4:6 for for this also to dead men was good news proclaimed, that they may be judged, indeed, according to men in the flesh, and may live according to God in the spirit.

Peter was an apostle to the Jews so I'm thinking...he's telling the Jewish converts that the gospel was preached to the gentiles and that they were judge by unbelieving Gentiles, too and they could live for God, too.

I'm thinking you pretty good at this imo , for a woman. :biggrin

1Pe 4:3-4 KJV For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: (4) Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:

Yeah anyone who didn't "run with them" were judged by unbelieving Gentiles ( according to men in the flesh ) and that includes dead men ( once were unbelieving Gentiles ). I hear ya ! It's interesting the different way Peter presents the Gospel going out to the Gentiles than Paul does but understandable. imo

I just had a funny thought. Peter was a bit cheeky suggesting some of Paul's words were difficult to understand eh :D

 

[Deborah13]

Thanks but...
to be very honest it was you that cleared this one up for me. I was taught it was the spirits of dead men but it just never sat right with me. Once you said it was Noah preaching, I read it several more times.
Oh ! Those spirits are in prison now for their unbelief. And there was 120 yrs while God waited. Then it made sense that Noah was preaching to them by the Spirit.
I also looked at the word translated as prison, which I do believe is the correct translation, but that word can also mean a specific time period of guarding or watching. Such as, you take the first watch and I'll take the second watch. So I guess because of word association that made me think more about the 120 yrs. a specific time period.
I know I have weird thought processes.
But it you hadn't said that about Noah, I'd still be

 

[agua.]

Yeah the general idea that Jesus went to hell and preached to dead people comes from the doctored Apostles' Creed ( it wasn't in the original ) imo. Butch's interpretation is also worth looking at ( but I don't think it fits with the message from the passages ) I hadn't heard of it before.

 

[Sinthesis]

Please show the chapter and verse where Mary's brother Lazarus was in Abraham's Bosom.


Where was Abraham's Bosom?


JLB

As a Jew there were only two options for Mary's brother at that time. Comfort in Abraham's bosom, or torment. Abraham's bosom is not a physical place, so there is no "where" to identify. Rather it describes the realized comfort available beyond death to those who trusted in God and anticipated the fulfilled gospel prior to Jesus leading them from paradise to the better heaven He prepared for them and us. In other words, the type of sheltering faith in God that Abraham had prior to the finished work of Christ was accredited as protection and comfort to the faithful even in death.

 

[agua.]

R.

(1) I believe in God the Father Almighty;

(2) And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord;

(3) Who was born of (de) the Holy Ghost and of (ex) the Virgin Mary;

(4) Crucified under Pontius Pilate and buried;

(5) The third day He rose again from the dead,

(6) He ascended into Heaven,

(7) Sitteth at the right hand of the Father,

(8) Whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.

(9) And in the Holy Ghost,

(10) The Holy Church,

(11) The forgiveness of sins;

(12) The resurrection of the body.


Changed to


T.


(1) I believe in God the Father Almighty Creator of Heaven and earth

(2) And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord;

(3) Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary,

(4) Suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried;

(5) He descended into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead;

(6) He ascended into Heaven, sitteth at the right hand of God the Father Almighty;

(7) From thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.

(8) I believe in the Holy Ghost,

(9) The Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints

(10) The forgiveness of sins,

(11) The resurrection of the body, and

(12) life everlasting.


http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01629a.htm

 

[for_his_glory]

Yep. And anyone who heard Jesus' parable about the afterlife of a Lazarus and a rich man, would have had it come back to mind when Jesus brought a real Lazarus back from Abraham's Bosom.

Sinthesis you are confusing the two different men named Lazarus found in scripture.
There are two Lazarus mention in scripture that are two different people

John 12:9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.
John 12:10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;
John 12:11 Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.
(Martha and Marys brother Lazarus)

Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
(Lazarus the beggar outside the gate of the rich man's house)

 

[for_his_glory]

A real Lazarus back from Abraham's Bosom?

So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. Luke 16:22

Which statement is real in the verse.

The angels carried the beggar to Abraham's Bosom, or that the rich man died and was buried.


If the beggar was not carried by the angels to Abraham's Bosom, why would Jesus say that he was?


JLB

Abraham' Bosom is only a reference for a place of rest, contentment and peace to those who have physically died in the Lord. Abraham and Lazarus are as being asleep(physically dead) in the grave/ground waiting until the return of Christ when they will rise and be with the Lord forever. The rich man is also asleep (physically dead) in the grave/ground waiting for Gods judgement as he will be raised to that of the lake of fire for his name is not found in the Lambs book of life.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[for_his_glory]

It was only when Jesus ascended to the Father that he had the power and authority to speak to those angels that were captive and bound and let them know (preached) that they are subject to Him now. It's that same power and authority that Jesus has now that he has given some apostles, prophets, Evangelist, pastors and teachers, Matthew 28:18. Lower parts of the earth only means that of the earth under our feet as in grave/ground. Ephesians 4:8-13

Noah suffered for well doing as he did preach God to others well after the sons of God had taken them wives and had children with them. Noah was the only one who found favor in the Lord. In Gods longsuffering, even though it repented God that he created man because of the evil found in their hearts he found favor in just one man and that was Noah. It wasn't Jesus that physically preached in the times of Noah, but that of Gods very Spirit, the same Spirit that is Jesus as God come in the flesh/word made flesh and spoke through Noah. These angels that are spoken of in 1Peter 3:19, 20 are the sons (angels) of God that had fallen, but different then the ones who fell with Satan. These angels took on the form of flesh as they saw the daughters of men that they were pleasing and took them to make their wives and had children.

It is those angels we see imprisoned and bound in chains (not literal chains only metaphorically and no one knows where they are bound) that Jesus, after he ascended to the Father revealed his power and authority that they are now subject until him. The word prison takes on different meanings for how we use this word. It's like when we say we are imprisoned by how we feel traped at times as we feel the world crashing down around us. The world isn't literally crashing down and prison is only a state of mind.

Ephesians 4:8-13; 1Peter 3:17-20; Genesis 6:1-8

Just as these fallen angels took on the form of men and took them wives and had children with them so is the same as the familiar spirit taking on the form of Samuel. It was the form of Samuel, not the real Samuel as we read in John 3:13 that no one is in heaven other than God, his holy angels and Jesus. The women saw gods come up from the ground and Saul asked what form he was of and the women described the form and Saul only perceived it was Samuel by the description, but never looked up to see if it was Samuel. Remember, Saul had his face bowed down to the ground and never looked up, but only perceived it to be Samuel by the way the women described what she saw.

The familiar spirit took on the form of Samuel and spoke using the voice of Samuel as this is why Saul recognized his voice and believed it was actually Samuel that spoke. The familiar spirit spoke to Saul and asked why he was asking Samuel what to do seeing that God had already departed from Saul and had become Sauls enemy and then the familiar spirit explained to Saul what would happen and that Saul and his sons would be killed and put into the ground/grave. Just as the familiar spirit who will be cast into the lake of fire so will Saul and his sons as he went against God and God shut himself off from Saul for his disobedience. This is why the familiar spirit told Saul that he and his sons would be with him after they die, meaning they to will be cast into the lake of fire as their names are not written in the Lambs book of life and will face the judgement of God. 1Samuel 28:15-20.

When we read scripture word for word and not sentence by sentence or chapter by chapter then we find the meat of the message that leads to all truth of Gods word.

 

[Deborah13]

It was only when Jesus ascended to the Father that he had the power and authority to speak to those angels that were captive and bound and let them know (preached) that they are subject to Him now. It's that same power and authority that Jesus has now that he has given some apostles, prophets, Evangelist, pastors and teachers, Matthew 28:18. Lower parts of the earth only means that of the earth under our feet as in grave/ground. Ephesians 4:8-13

Noah suffered for well doing as he did preach God to others well after the sons of God had taken them wives and had children with them. Noah was the only one who found favor in the Lord. In Gods longsuffering, even though it repented God that he created man because of the evil found in their hearts he found favor in just one man and that was Noah. It wasn't Jesus that physically preached in the times of Noah, but that of Gods very Spirit, the same Spirit that is Jesus as God come in the flesh/word made flesh and spoke through Noah. These angels that are spoken of in 1Peter 3:19, 20 are the sons (angels) of God that had fallen, but different then the ones who fell with Satan. These angels took on the form of flesh as they saw the daughters of men that they were pleasing and took them to make their wives and had children.

It is those angels we see imprisoned and bound in chains (not literal chains only metaphorically and no one knows where they are bound) that Jesus, after he ascended to the Father revealed his power and authority that they are now subject until him. The word prison takes on different meanings for how we use this word. It's like when we say we are imprisoned by how we feel traped at times as we feel the world crashing down around us. The world isn't literally crashing down and prison is only a state of mind.

Ephesians 4:8-13; 1Peter 3:17-20; Genesis 6:1-8

Just as these fallen angels took on the form of men and took them wives and had children with them so is the same as the familiar spirit taking on the form of Samuel. It was the form of Samuel, not the real Samuel as we read in John 3:13 that no one is in heaven other than God, his holy angels and Jesus. The women saw gods come up from the ground and Saul asked what form he was of and the women described the form and Saul only perceived it was Samuel by the description, but never looked up to see if it was Samuel. Remember, Saul had his face bowed down to the ground and never looked up, but only perceived it to be Samuel by the way the women described what she saw.

The familiar spirit took on the form of Samuel and spoke using the voice of Samuel as this is why Saul recognized his voice and believed it was actually Samuel that spoke. The familiar spirit spoke to Saul and asked why he was asking Samuel what to do seeing that God had already departed from Saul and had become Sauls enemy and then the familiar spirit explained to Saul what would happen and that Saul and his sons would be killed and put into the ground/grave. Just as the familiar spirit who will be cast into the lake of fire so will Saul and his sons as he went against God and God shut himself off from Saul for his disobedience. This is why the familiar spirit told Saul that he and his sons would be with him after they die, meaning they to will be cast into the lake of fire as their names are not written in the Lambs book of life and will face the judgement of God. 1Samuel 28:15-20.

When we read scripture word for word and not sentence by sentence or chapter by chapter then we find the meat of the message that leads to all truth of Gods word.

1Sa 28:9 And the woman saith unto him, `Lo, thou hast known that which Saul hath done, that he hath cut off those having familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land; and why art thou laying a snare for my soul--to put me to death?'

Why was the medium afraid of her own familiar spirit?
She would have been expecting her familiar spirit to appear as Samuel but when this spirit appeared she was very afraid?
Why?

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

1Sa 28:9 And the woman saith unto him, `Lo, thou hast known that which Saul hath done, that he hath cut off those having familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land; and why art thou laying a snare for my soul--to put me to death?'

Why was the medium afraid of her own familiar spirit?
She would have been expecting her familiar spirit to appear as Samuel but when this spirit appeared she was very afraid?
Why?

I think this was answered early in the thread, not sure, no matter .... the medium was not afraid of her own familiar spirit; she liked it and what it provided for her.(even though it meant sure and total and complete death for her later, without repentance if she waited too long).
When Samuel came, she was very afraid, because he is a man of the one true Yhwh Elohim, with power over the demons, and even the demons know this, and they shudder in fear, and so too those who are controlled by them.

 

[for_his_glory]

1Sa 28:9 And the woman saith unto him, `Lo, thou hast known that which Saul hath done, that he hath cut off those having familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land; and why art thou laying a snare for my soul--to put me to death?'

Why was the medium afraid of her own familiar spirit?
She would have been expecting her familiar spirit to appear as Samuel but when this spirit appeared she was very afraid?
Why?

1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?
1Sa 28:10 And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

She wasn't afraid of her own familiar spirit, she was afraid because after she recognized Saul being in disguise she was afraid he would put her to death as she thought this to be a snare from Saul to catch her in the act.

 

[Sinthesis]

Sinthesis you are confusing the two different men named Lazarus found in scripture.
There are two Lazarus mention in scripture that are two different people

John 12:9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.
John 12:10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;
John 12:11 Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.
(Martha and Marys brother Lazarus)

Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
(Lazarus the beggar outside the gate of the rich man's house)

No, I'm not confusing them. The Lazarus of the parable is not a real individual, but is a character who is only given a name (look up the meaning of "Lazarus") that the listeners might better connect the message of the parable to the very real circumstances that condemned the actual wealthy self-righteous Pharisees in the weeks leading up Jesus' crucifixion.

 

[Deborah13]

1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?
1Sa 28:10 And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

She wasn't afraid of her own familiar spirit, she was afraid because after she recognized Saul being in disguise she was afraid he would put her to death as she thought this to be a snare from Saul to catch her in the act.

If it were her familiar spirit looking like Samuel, which is what she expected, why would that have told her that it was Saul in disguise?

Here's an analogy that may help me to explain what I what I am asking. Please bear with me. I hate doing this because it's kind of creepy..

So say I'm a medium and I have a familiar spirit. I know that spirit, it is familiar to me, it has a familiar connection to me, I recognize it spiritually.
So a woman comes to me and asks me to pull up a woman named Ruby. I know who this Ruby woman was and what she looked like.
So I do. My familiar spirit appears to me looking like Ruby.
Why would I think that the woman who asked me to do this was someone different than she appears to be?

 

[jonahmano]

1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?
1Sa 28:10 And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

She wasn't afraid of her own familiar spirit, she was afraid because after she recognized Saul being in disguise she was afraid he would put her to death as she thought this to be a snare from Saul to catch her in the act.

This point can be logically accepted