CAN God do the the logically impossible? Why / why not?

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KV-44-v1 said:
I have found nowhere in the Bible does it remotely indicate that He is not able to do the logically impossible.
The Bible basically says that what is impossible with man is possible with God. There is a notable lack of exception to what is possible with God in the verse(s).

Can man do the logically impossible? I think no, because man would then do something God could not, which is attack on God's power, and an insult to Him.

We can concieve the "logically impossible", and if the Ontological argument can support God's existence, it can absolutely support God's ability to do logically impossible things like make a square circle. So how come we can theorize and stuff about "logically impossible" yet somehow, God Who is INFINITELY POWERFUL can't make such? Sounds unbelievable.

If God wanted us to think there were things He actually couldn't, wouldnt He put it in the Bible?

I argue that He can because He is absolutely powerful. The only limits He has, He had on Himself. He can choose to 'break' these limits.

A God Who can do anything, logically possible or not logically possible, or something(s) else, is more powerful than One only limited to logically possible, right?

I am wary of this belief that appears to be "Weakening God" , in disguise. It really feels like humans trying to limit God with false knowledge and limited understanding.

Thanks for answering.
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Our God is logical. He established reality, what is logical. Why would He violate or do what He made "logically impossible"?

Of course God can do anything, but "illogical" is synonomous with "lacking sense" or "sound reason". For God to act in a way that "lacks sense" or "sound reason" is antithetical to God.

For example, God as a free will being can choose to lie, but His holy impeccable nature makes it "impossible God lie".


I think the same is true for God violating what He established as "truth", from which "what has sense or sound reason" springs from.

This does not limit God in any way. Its His impeccable holy nature that prevents His acting "insanely", which is another word for "illogical".
 
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KV-44-v1 said:
I have found nowhere in the Bible does it remotely indicate that He is not able to do the logically impossible.
The Bible basically says that what is impossible with man is possible with God. There is a notable lack of exception to what is possible with God in the verse(s).

Can man do the logically impossible? I think no, because man would then do something God could not, which is attack on God's power, and an insult to Him.

We can concieve the "logically impossible", and if the Ontological argument can support God's existence, it can absolutely support God's ability to do logically impossible things like make a square circle. So how come we can theorize and stuff about "logically impossible" yet somehow, God Who is INFINITELY POWERFUL can't make such? Sounds unbelievable.

If God wanted us to think there were things He actually couldn't, wouldnt He put it in the Bible?

I argue that He can because He is absolutely powerful. The only limits He has, He had on Himself. He can choose to 'break' these limits.

A God Who can do anything, logically possible or not logically possible, or something(s) else, is more powerful than One only limited to logically possible, right?

I am wary of this belief that appears to be "Weakening God" , in disguise. It really feels like humans trying to limit God with false knowledge and limited understanding.

Thanks for answering.
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God is omnipotent. He can do anything He wants, whenever He wants and for how long He wants. Logical or not God does what He Wills to do.
 
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NoahK said:
God is omnipotent. He can do anything He wants, whenever He wants and for how long He wants. Logical or not God does what He Wills to do.
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If you read some of the previous posts, you’ll see why that is niether true nor biblical.
 
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Free said:
Can he sin? Can he lie? Can he be tempted by evil? Can he go against his nature?
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Do you disagree God is sovereign?

Jesus was tempted by Satan. Being tempted isn't the same as succumbing to evil.
Sin is the result of disobeying God's law.
Where there is no law there is no sun. Paul tells us that.
God cannot deny himself.
 
Little Owl said:
Do you disagree God is sovereign?
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No.

Little Owl said:
Jesus was tempted by Satan. Being tempted isn't the same as succumbing to evil.
Sin is the result of disobeying God's law.
Where there is no law there is no sun. Paul tells us that.
God cannot deny himself.
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Of course, but how does this address what I said, the purpose of which was to show that there are things God absolutely cannot do, including that which is logically impossible?
 
Free said:
No.


Of course, but how does this address what I said, the purpose of which was to show that there are things God absolutely cannot do, including that which is logically impossible?
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Logically impossible?

Again the anger of the Lord was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” (2 Samuel 24:1)
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Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel. (1 Chronicles 21:1)
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It's hard to imagine something God cannot do. So,I'll not go down that road with you.

God Bless.
 
Little Owl said:
Logically impossible?
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Yes, that is what the discussion is about.

Little Owl said:
It's hard to imagine something God cannot do. So,I'll not go down that road with you.

God Bless.
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Well, just think about it a bit at least.

In addition to square circles, can God cause a woman to be both pregnant and not pregnant at the same time? Can God make a rock so heavy he cannot lift it? Can God sin or do anything else that goes against his nature?

Some people think God can do anything, including the logically impossible. But, I think it’s pretty easy to see that he cannot do the logically impossible because such things are nonsense to begin with.
 
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Fastfredy0 said:
It's EASY to imagine things God cannot do. Anything that is not perfect God cannot do.
God cannot be "A" and not "A" ... examples: make a circle = a square, add 1 + 1 and not get 2
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It's EASY to imagine He CAN do anything.
God CAN be a and not a. The examples you listed above.
 
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But, I think it’s pretty easy to see that he cannot do the logically impossible because such things are nonsense to begin with.
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Being nonsense to begin with doesn't preclude God's Power.

Why do we praise God if He is 'forced to be good' by a hard, inviolable limit?

He is good because He wants to never violate His Character.

God doesn't do the logically "impossible" because He isn't the Author of confusion.
Also, it might be that doing logically impossible things could be seen by God as silly, useless games.

What is your stance on the logical possibility of the Trinity?
 
KV-44-v1 said:
Being nonsense to begin with doesn't preclude God's Power.
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Yes, it does. Power does not overcome nonsense, because nonsense doesn't even get off the ground, so to speak.

KV-44-v1 said:
Why do we praise God if He is 'forced to be good' by a hard, inviolable limit?
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He isn't. I've stated that God cannot do anything that goes against his nature. He is rightly limited by his perfection, his immutability, his holiness, his love, etc. You don't seem to understand God very well. He is goodness itself.

Psa 7:11 God is a righteous judge, and a God who feels indignation every day. (ESV)

Is God "forced" to be righteous or is he perfectly righteous in and of himself? Your position actually means God could be an unrighteous judge if he wanted to be, which means there is also nothing stopping him from maybe one day deciding to be unrighteous. But that is blasphemous.

It is impossible for God to be unrighteous because it would contradict his nature. If he could, he wouldn't be God.

KV-44-v1 said:
He is good because He wants to never violate His Character.
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He is good because he absolutely cannot violate his character. If he could, then he is not God because he could not be perfectly holy. That is, he could not be light, as John says he is in 1 John 1:5.

KV-44-v1 said:
God doesn't do the logically "impossible" because He isn't the Author of confusion.
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No, because it is actually impossible for him to do it. The logically impossible, or rather logically contradictory, is nonsense.

KV-44-v1 said:
Also, it might be that doing logically impossible things could be seen by God as silly, useless games.
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Or, it just might be that it is actually impossible, which it is.

KV-44-v1 said:
What is your stance on the logical possibility of the Trinity?
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It actually is logically possible. You also have to answer a few questions that were put to you which you did not answer:

Can God learn?
Do you think God can build a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it?
If God can lie, then how do you even know that anything in the Bible is true? How do you even know God exists?
 
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That which defines evil and good can't by itself be anything but immutable .
 
Free said:
Yes, that is what the discussion is about.
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Foolishness. Discussing what is impossible for God.
Free said:
Well, just think about it a bit at least.

In addition to square circles, can God cause a woman to be both pregnant and not pregnant at the same time? Can God make a rock so heavy he cannot lift it? Can God sin or do anything else that goes against his nature?

Some people think God can do anything, including the logically impossible. But, I think it’s pretty easy to see that he cannot do the logically impossible because such things are nonsense to begin with.
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Asking if God can create a rock he cannot lift is insipid. And demonstrates lack of knowledge as to what it is to be God.

Can a woman be pregnant and not pregnant at the same time? Yes! It's called spontaneous abortion. Or, Miscarriage .

Can a barren woman give birth?
Can an Ass speak?
 
Fastfredy0 said:
It's EASY to imagine things God cannot do. Anything that is not perfect God cannot do.
God cannot be "A" and not "A" ... examples: make a circle = a square, add 1 + 1 and not get 2
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I believe you.

My God is not limited by what humans think of "him".
 
Little Owl said:
Foolishness. Discussing what is impossible for God.
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And, yet, here we are, because a lack of knowledge of God leads to God being able to do what is impossible for even him.

Little Owl said:
Asking if God can create a rock he cannot lift is insipid. And demonstrates lack of knowledge as to what it is to be God.
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Yes, exactly, but that is a logical impossibility that the OP seems to think God can do.

Little Owl said:
Can a woman be pregnant and not pregnant at the same time? Yes! It's called spontaneous abortion. Or, Miscarriage .
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Well, no, that is not the same.

Little Owl said:
Can a barren woman give birth?
Can an Ass speak?
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If God wants them to, but those aren't logical impossibilities.
 
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Free said:
And, yet, here we are, because a lack of knowledge of God leads to God being able to do what is impossible for even him.


Yes, exactly, but that is a logical impossibility that the OP seems to think God can do.


Well, no, that is not the same.


If God wants them to, but those aren't logical impossibilities.
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Luke 1.
 
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