Again, you are welcome to isolate and insulate your sins as not being of the devil.
I don't.
Whether you agree or not is quite irrelevant to the fact of it.
My sins are not of the devil they, are "of" me. I'm the one who commits them and am responsible for them because I have a free will and can CHOOSE sin. Satan can tempt me to sin, but I can also refuse him and follow Christ.
The reason I brought this up, if you'll remember, is to show that it's not NECESSARY for there to be a "named believer" within Scripture to prove that we can lose our salvation. You made this claim, yet don't hold yourself to the same standard. You can believe that Satan dwells within us without there being a "named believer".
Let's remember your claim, here. You have been saying that the devil, Satan himself, "the Tempter" dwells within the "heart and mind" of all people. Let me debunk this heresy before I move on to dealing with the verses you THINK proves your point of there being a "named believer".
1) "
Then Satan entered into Judas called Iscariot, who was of the number of the twelve; 4 he went away and conferred with the chief priests and officers how he might betray him to them. (Luke 22:3-4)
Whoa...wait a minute...I thought Satan was already "within our hearts and minds"? Obviously there was a time before this when Satan wasn't in Judas, otherwise how could he "enter into" him?
2) Is Satan omnipresent? Does he share this attribute with God? I don't know of any church that teaches that any created beings are omnipresent. Angels, like Satan, can't be everywhere at once, they can't be within you and within your pastor at the same time, can they? So how can Satan?
3) Jesus CAST OUT demons. Think about it...This FACT alone debunks your entire claim. Why would Jesus cast out something that was SUPPOSED TO BE THERE?
Your 'sect' teaches that all people are Gods children.
Adam was Gods son. All of Isreal are Gods children.
Are you going to say that God had no part 'WITHin' HIS CHILDREN?
Even a dadof10 knows he has a PART of himself within his own children doesn't he?
All unbelievers are blinded by the god of this world prior to belief. Doesn't mean that Israel were not Gods children exactly as scriptures state in multiple places.
Psalm 82:
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Any believer can certainly fall back into blindness. Does not mean God in Christ abandoned them, period. That NEVER happens.
LOVE NEVER FAILS.
You should probably brush up on the details above.
Every believer is tempted within by THE TEMPTER.
Do the math. Where do you think that places the TEMPTER?
Sin is and remains of the DEVIL and ALL believers SIN.
Satanic impositions are INTERNAL, placing that operator WITHIN.
This part is concerning your view that all of Israel had Satan within them, and "man of the Gergesenes" had 12,000 devils within him. You didn't paste ONE VERSE that states that SATAN as dwelling within these people, or that the Holy Spirit is within them also. You are just presuming. To make the connection that the Jews are "children" of God, so therefore, have the HS within each and every one of them is laughable. The HS was given to all at PENTECOST, except in rare cases. Besides, even though they sinned doesn't mean the devil is WITHIN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM, which is your claim. You are reaching. Now let's move on to Paul...
First, let me remind you of your point:
SATAN, the Holy Spirit and the man, all three, dwell WITHIN the man. You point is NOT that there is demonic possession or that man has a propensity toward sin (concupiscence) or that we have a conscience or that we are tempted by "tempters" or that our fallen human nature tends toward sin. These are the things Paul is talking about, not that SATAN is dwelling within him. HE NEVER SAYS THIS!!!
Let's take Romans first.
Oh, I love this part. Do you think if I put up the scriptures you'd see them?
Romans 7:19
For the good that I would I do not: but the
evil which I would not,
that I do.
Romans 7:21
I find then a law, that, when I would do good,
evil is present with me.
Romans 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind
I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh
the law of sin.
First, I wonder why you chose to paste only the verses that "prove" your point and left out others that lend context? Hummm... Here is the context:
"We know that the law is spiritual; but I am carnal,
sold under sin. 15 I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good." (Rom. 7:14-16)
Here, Paul is describing his inner conflict. Paul says he does what he "hates", even though he knows what he SHOULD be doing. Why? Because he is "carnal", not because Satan is within him.
17 So then it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot do it.
First of all, Paul says that SIN dwells within him, not Satan. Secondly, where does the sin dwell??? In his "heart and mind" or in his flesh? And lastly, he says "nothing good dwells within me", so how can the Holy Spirit be in the same place where the "sin" is dwelling? No, this does not even come close.
19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me.
Again, where does the sin dwell? In his FLESH, not in his "heart and mind". He is describing his inclination toward sin because of his fallen human nature, not because there is a foreign agent within, causing his sin.
21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand.
Not "within".
22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inmost self,
Here, he mentions his "inmost self", where he delights in the law of God. There is a conflict, then, between his "inmost self" and...
23 but I see in my members another law at war with the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin which dwells in my members.
Again, in his members, his flesh. This is the conflict he is describing. He has concupiscence, a bend toward sin, due to his human nature, not because Satan is in his "inner self" tempting him from within.
24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I of myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
It is blatantly obvious that he is struggling between "the law of God" which is in his "MIND" and the law of sin, which is in his "FLESH". This doesn't even come close to "proving" you point, which is that the devil, Satan himself, "the Tempter" dwells within the "heart and mind" of all people.
2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations,
there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the
messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
Again, that word "flesh". Please explain how this proves the point that Satan is within his "heart and mind". This verse says that a "messenger of Satan" was given to him, it doesn't say that Satan is within him, nor does it say that Satan has always been within him. in fact, it says the opposite.
1 Timothy 1:15
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save
sinners; of whom I am chief.
So?
1 John 3:8
He that committeth
sin is of the devil;
Again, context:
He who commits sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to
destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one born of God commits sin;
for God's nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God. 10 By this it may be seen who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not do right is not of God, nor he who does not love his brother. (1Jn. 8-10)
Where does this say that the devil abides within the believer?
The rest of the "proof" you posted is just as specious. The FACT is that Scripture doesn't show a "named believer" who has God, Satan and himself dwelling within him, so either you are holding a non-biblical doctrine or your premise is false. I think both.
Now, I have done an exegesis on the above verses, and I would expect the same consideration when I post a verse. I have posted the following verse a few times only to have it ignored. This PROVES that Paul didn't believe in OSAS and that he didn't consider himself justified. Why? Because (and this will tie it to the OP, WIP
) salvation is an ongoing process and he still needs to OBEY in order to be saved.
In context, and in the KJV:
1 Corinthians 4
King James Version (KJV)
4 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment:
yea, I judge not mine own self.
4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
(1Cor. 4:1-5)
So, does Paul judge himself? He does not consider himself justified, does he? Are these the words of a man who considers himself bound for heaven, no matter what he does from here on out? Would your pastor say these words about himself?
Please don't ignore these verses in favor of attacks on the Catholic Church again. You have little credibility left.
