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Catholicism and Infant Baptism

IF that was posted for my benefit you will have to direct me to where I swore? :o
 
thessalonian said:
I believe the quotes as you pasted them. I know they are straight out of trent. But I also know that you do not understand Catholic theology and how two things look like dichotomies to you that are not. As I said protestants shouldn't try Catholic theology at home. You continue with the derogatory Romanist word. Do you call blacks niggers as well?
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Ahhh, the word "Romanist" causes offense? My apologies, I will try not to use it anymore. Would "Papist" be OK? No, I dont mean that, it is just my sick sense of humor again.

My intent in using thr word Romanist was to distinguish between the plethora of dogma taught in the early church, and the different doctrines taught mainly at in later Rome. I view Romes dogma as evolving and changing over time. The term Catholic should not be the sole possession of Rome any more then the term "orthodox" is the sole possession of the eastern orthodox. If you to call the Orthodox Orthodox, does this imply you are unorthodox?

No, I do not use the N word.
 
Ro·man·ist /ˈroʊmənɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[roh-muh-nist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. Often Disparaging and Offensive. a member of the Roman Catholic Church.



pa·pist /ˈpeɪpɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pey-pist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation Usually Disparaging.
–noun 1. a Roman Catholic.
–adjective 2. papistical.


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[Origin: 1515–25; earlier papista < NL. See pope, -ist]

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pa·pist·like, adjective
pa·pist·ly, adverb
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Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source pa·pist (pā'pĭst) Pronunciation Key
n. Offensive Used as a disparaging term for a Roman Catholic.
 
Careful there...If it is a mortal sin, then find a priest, If it is a venial sin, it means more time in purgatory.... :o
 
jgredline said:
it means more time in purgatory.... :o
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Ya don't get it do you. Statements like this show that you should shut up and listen. But you can't do that can you. Pride's and your own understanding's got you tongue.
 
thessalonian said:
Ya don't get it do you. Statements like this show that you should shut up and listen. But you can't do that can you. Pride's and your own understanding's got you tongue.
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Loosing your cool are ya? 8-)
it is statements like the one I made that show how ridiculous the CC teachings are....
 
jgredline said:
Loosing your cool are ya? 8-)
it is statements like the one I made that show how ridiculous the CC teachings are....
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What I stated was done rather mater of factly. It is far less ridiculous to think of some sins as being mortal and some as being venial than to think that the wicked might go to heaven. Hmmmm, stealing a cookie is equal to killing 6 million Jews. Hey maybe Hitler was a born again Christian. Now that thought is ridiculous. Oh go do your little dance about him being Catholic. Trite as it might

By the way, correction, your rendition of the Catholic teachings is ridiculous. The teaching as the Church teaches them are not. There are not 100 men who hate the Catholic Church for what it teaches, but millions who hate it for what they think it teaches according to Bishop Sheen. He had it right.
 
thessalonian said:
What I stated was done rather mater of factly. It is far less ridiculous to think of some sins as being mortal and some as being venial than to think that the wicked might go to heaven. Hmmmm, stealing a cookie is equal to killing 6 million Jews. Hey maybe Hitler was a born again Christian. Now that thought is ridiculous. Oh go do your little dance about him being Catholic. Trite as it might

By the way, correction, your rendition of the Catholic teachings is ridiculous. The teaching as the Church teaches them are not. There are not 100 men who hate the Catholic Church for what it teaches, but millions who hate it for what they think it teaches according to Bishop Sheen. He had it right.
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You might want to check up on the religious background of Adolf Hitler a little more closely before making that "maybe" assertion. :eggface:
 
mondar said:
You might want to check up on the religious background of Adolf Hitler a little more closely before making that "maybe" assertion. :eggface:
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"Oh go do your little dance about him being Catholic"

Why do you people have such a problem with reading and comprehension? I've heard the hitler propoganda for years. You think there is something about his religous history that hasn't been thrown at me on these boards. :-? By the likes of ridiculers and mockers like you and jgred who like to point the accusing finger. I appreciate your mockery however. I praise God that I am considered a fool by the likes of scoffers who post goofball faces of evil gingerbread men to represent their emotions.
 
How about we avoid slandering Catholicism and get this thread back on track. In light of what was posted, what exactly is unbiblical about infant baptism and where in the bible is baptism restricted to adults?
 
Heidi said:
No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that it isn't a "given" that someone will be born again as an infant just because a ritual is performed as all atheists show. And considering that one has to have a knowledge of his own sins in order to repent and receive forgiveness, than that pretty much leaves out babies as receiving the Holy Spirit. Infant baptism is thus, just a superstition like any cult uses to give themselves a false sense of security and power. :wink:
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That's so true because I know people who believe that unless their baby is baptized they will be in Limbo if they die as a baby, and these are Catholics. When in fact if a baby dies they automatically will be with the Lord. So I think that Baptism in the Catholic faith is mostlly tradition because most of the time the people that are having their baby baptised don't even know what they are really doing, they just do it because their parents did it and the parents before that. Sometimes it's just another excuse to have a party (at least in my family)
 
That's so true because I know people who believe that unless their baby is baptized they will be in Limbo if they die as a baby, and these are Catholics.
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That's better than anihilation for those who were aborted and hell for those of whom you speak as Heidi beleives. Why does the salvatoin of the baby depend on whether the family is doing it so they can have a party or not? Baptism confers the Holy Spirit (acts 2:38 "repent and be BAPTIZED for the forgiveness of sins and YOU SHALL RECIEVE THE HOLY SPIRIT). It can be proven from scripture that babies can recieve the Holy Spirit. Therefore babies should be baptized.
 
thessalonian said:
What I stated was done rather mater of factly. It is far less ridiculous to think of some sins as being mortal and some as being venial than to think that the wicked might go to heaven. Hmmmm, stealing a cookie is equal to killing 6 million Jews. Hey maybe Hitler was a born again Christian. Now that thought is ridiculous. Oh go do your little dance about him being Catholic. Trite as it might

By the way, correction, your rendition of the Catholic teachings is ridiculous. The teaching as the Church teaches them are not. There are not 100 men who hate the Catholic Church for what it teaches, but millions who hate it for what they think it teaches according to Bishop Sheen. He had it right.
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What they think it teaches?? I was raised in the Catholic Faith, made my first holy communion, and all I really learned in there was mostly about Mary and the Saints, I didn't learn about Jesus hardly until I grew up, than I got saved. No one in any Catholic church that I know of even brings their Bibles, but they foolishly just go by what the priest is saying and don't even search the scriptures out for themselves. Not to mention the prayers for the dead! I don't think someone who is TRULY saved can stay in that kind of teaching, they just couldn't!
 
sisterchristian said:
What they think it teaches?? I was raised in the Catholic Faith, made my first holy communion, and all I really learned in there was mostly about Mary and the Saints, I didn't learn about Jesus hardly until I grew up, than I got saved. No one in any Catholic church that I know of even brings their Bibles, but they foolishly just go by what the priest is saying and don't even search the scriptures out for themselves. Not to mention the prayers for the dead! I don't think someone who is TRULY saved can stay in that kind of teaching, they just couldn't!
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I highly doudt your claim that all you learend about was Mary and the Saints since I went through the same catechism stuff you did. I'm betting your memory isn't too good. Heck the Mass goes through the full gospels a couple times a year so how is it you never heard of Jesus unless you simply didn't pay attention. And whose fault is that? Since when did bringing bibles become a requirement for salvation. How many people do you suppose brought bibles to Chruch before the printing press? Yet you damn people to hell for not bringing one to Church. I check the Bible and it matches everything the Catholic Church says but not everything that people like you say that Catholicism says.
 
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