Christians? Using self-defense and Guns?

[Jesse]

Yes

It still doesn't mean you let someone rape your daughter.

A person can be humble and still do the right thing - STOP the criminal.

 

[jasonc]

So what I think you're saying is that meekness is humbleness and it takes courage to be that way? Also self-discipline?

That's what I am always wondering why people believe that stopping a criminal or someone who you are guarding means to always kill the person, it doesn't and shouldn't always mean that.

use the minimal amount of force to stop the crime. that is a grey area and also a loaded statement. it can be lethal force, or less then lethal force.sometimes its just presence. intidimation by being mean. as Obadiah says cops do play that game.

 

[LovethroughDove]

It still doesn't mean you let someone rape your daughter.

A person can be humble and still do the right thing - STOP the criminal.

I agree you can be humble and still do the right thing. and STOP the person

 

[Gary]

I don't know, but not that.

In response to the video Gary posted.

Would you defend that child?

 

[Jesse]

use the minimal amount of force to stop the crime. that is a grey area and also a loaded statement. it can be lethal force, or less then lethal force.sometimes its just presence. intidimation by being mean. as Obadiah says cops do play that game.

If we are truly being submissive to God, the reaction we have towards a criminal would not be out of "meanness", but simply out of protecting whomever is there from the crime, right?

 

[LovethroughDove]

Would you defend that child?

I would get the child out of there.

 

[jasonc]

If we are truly being submissive to God, the reaction we have towards a criminal would not be out of "meanness", but simply out of protecting whomever is there from the crime, right?

oh it will be anger, but not as one who has vengeful thoughts. I might be but that is the flesh. anger for the hurt caused to the love one.

 

[Jesse]

oh it will be anger, but not as one who has vengeful thoughts. I might be but that is the flesh. anger for the hurt caused to the love one.

Yes, I think anger is what causes the adrenaline to get going so a person would do what needs to be done.

 

[Gary]

I would get the child out of there.

The guy's attacking her. Do you just walk up and take her by the hand and walk away?

 

[jasonc]

Yes, I think anger is what causes the adrenaline to get going so a person would do what needs to be done.

sadly the only time I felt that is when after a lot of pushing from my sister is when she decided to raise her fist at me, I reacted and use pressure points to show her. want to fight me, this is what will happen. she didn't bother me again. she got the hint. my brother didn't and he and her went into a fight. he never punched back. he and I had to charge her with a crime after talking to dad. it was a last resort and a sad chapter in my family.

my sister regrets that time and day and today understand why we did it. I still don't like thinking about it. to this day I cant say its been the same. she is forgiven but its there as I know her nature. perhaps I need to let go. either way pray

 

[LovethroughDove]

The guy's attacking her. Do you just walk up and take her by the hand and walk away?

I honestly don't know what would happen.

 

[gr8grace3]

I don't really care. If they did, or they didn't. I truly believe in a literal hell. I pray for people's salvation if they do criminal acts, but God is very just if they choose to stay that way.

Is it a sin to prosecute criminals in our justice system? If we are to hand it over to God.

 

[Gary]

I honestly don't know what would happen.

I think that's what everyone who is pro-defense is saying.
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[LovethroughDove]

Is it a sin to prosecute criminals in our justice system? If we are to hand it over to God.

This probably won't answer your question, but when I got called for jury duty I told them that I could not make an opinion about the person......so they excused me from having to do it.

 

[LovethroughDove]

I think that's what everyone who is pro-defense is saying.
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I think you are right, but I try to have a different scenario prepared in my mind.

 

[Jesse]

This probably won't answer your question, but when I got called for jury duty I told them that I could not make an opinion about the person......so they excused me from having to do it.

Basically, as a human being you have absolved any sense of responsibility while you're on earth? You are forfeiting all responsibility so others will have to do it for you?

What I am seeing here is that you are not really concerned about the other person, you are only concerned about protecting yourself from would be any judgement from God, correct?

If you knew God would not punish you for stopping a rapist from raping a 4 year old, then you would stop the rapist?

In a sense, this would be putting yourself above the 4 year old, which is justifying yourself through self-righteousness.

 

[gr8grace3]

This probably won't answer your question, but when I got called for jury duty I told them that I could not make an opinion about the person......so they excused me from having to do it.

Was your husband also without a father figure?

 

[LovethroughDove]

Basically, as a human being you have absolved any sense of responsibility while you're on earth? You are forfeiting all responsibility so others will have to do it for you?

What I am seeing here is that you are not really concerned about the other person, you are only concerned about protecting yourself from would be any judgement from God, correct?

If you knew God would not punish you for stopping a rapist from raping a 4 year old, then you would stop the rapist?

In a sense, this would be putting yourself above the 4 year old, which is justifying yourself through self-righteousness.

You are kind of seeing tunnel-vision with what I am saying. I said I would stop rapists. And self-righteousness is when you only see your little view of "your" world.....not the big picture

 

[LovethroughDove]

Was your husband also without a father figure?

No, he is a daddy's boy.

 

[Jesse]

You are kind of seeing tunnel-vision with what I am saying. I said I would stop rapists. And self-righteousness is when you only see your little view of "your" world.....not the big picture

I recall you did say that, you would stop a rapist but refuse to sit on a jury?

It seems like maybe you're not quit sure about the why of it all.