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In an excerpt from the website posted above...

This table indicates that Jesus died on Good Friday; that was day one. In total, day one includes the day and the previous night, even though Jesus died in the day. So, although only part of Friday was left, that was the first day and night to be counted. Saturday was day two. Jesus rose in the morning of the Sunday. That was day three. Thus, by Jewish counting, we have three days and nights, yet Jesus rose on the third day.

So...that's why...you never included what you would include Thursday night.
 
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JohnDB,
re: "So...that's why...you never included what you would include Thursday night."

To whom is your post directed and what does it mean? I don't understand it.
 
rstrats said:
JohnDB,
re: "So...that's why...you never included what you would include Thursday night."

To whom is your post directed and what does it mean? I don't understand it.
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In my previous post it states why Thursday night has to be included.
 
JohnDB,
re: "In my previous post it states why Thursday night has to be included."

So you're a believer in a Thursday crucifixion? Also, Thursday night can't be included because it had been over some 8 hours by the time of the burial.
 
rstrats said:
JohnDB,
re: "In my previous post it states why Thursday night has to be included."

So you're a believer in a Thursday crucifixion? Also, Thursday night can't be included because it had been over some 8 hours by the time of the burial.
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No...not what I meant.

According to the dissertation that what we consider Thursday night it actually is considered Friday. The Jews start the clock on a day from sundown.
For Jews, Friday started on Thursday night and "common usage" would include the previous evening when the Jews actually arrested Jesus and had already predetermined his fate.
Jesus wasn't crucified until Friday. That's why we have our holiday Good Friday.
 
JohnDB,
re: "According to the dissertation that what we consider Thursday night it actually is considered Friday."

Why are you bringing up today's usage when this topic is concerned with events 2000 years ago?



re: "For Jews... 'common usage' would include the previous evening when the Jews actually arrested Jesus..."

So you're saying that the 1st night of the 3 nights that the Messiah said He would be in the "heart of earth" began the night in the garden. However, this particular topic is really directed to those who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the time between the leaving of His spirit from His body and His resurrection on the 1st day of the week.

BTW, what examples do you have to support your assertion that it was common to count a daytime or a night time when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred?
 
rstrats said:
JohnDB,
re: "According to the dissertation that what we consider Thursday night it actually is considered Friday."

Why are you bringing up today's usage when this topic is concerned with events 2000 years ago?



re: "For Jews... 'common usage' would include the previous evening when the Jews actually arrested Jesus..."

So you're saying that the 1st night of the 3 nights that the Messiah said He would be in the "heart of earth" began the night in the garden. However, this particular topic is really directed to those who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the time between the leaving of His spirit from His body and His resurrection on the 1st day of the week.

BTW, what examples do you have to support your assertion that it was common to count a daytime or a night time when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred?
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I was just quoting the article. That was what the writer of the article said.

But I'm not so much of one to worry about this one "inconsistency" which was said in a difficult language made from idiomatic expressions and metaphors.
Rabbi Michael Schneider is an acquaintance of mine (I called him Mike) who is an expert on the Jewish calendar. This one passage in the face of the plethora of other passages does no disservice to the time keeping in his or my book.
Currently the Jewish calendar is error. Sunday is actually Saturday. It was changed roughly 17-1800 years ago to get everyone together on the day they wouldn't work. It was done to appease the Christians and Jews who refused to change "The Sabbath" day to coordinate with the others. They are aware of the problem but deliberately refuse to aknowledge the issue.
 
JohnDB,

I'm afraid I don't see what your comments have to do with this topic. I wonder if you could explain why you think that they do?
 
rstrats said:
JohnDB,

I'm afraid I don't see what your comments have to do with this topic. I wonder if you could explain why you think that they do?
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I'll give one more example but this coming close to being obstinate.
https://www.christianheadlines.com/...e-died-friday-and-was-resurrected-sunday.html
Jesus died Friday afternoon and rose on Sunday Morning and in thebmanor of reckoning, as was done in First Century Israel, having naught to do with our manor or method of commuting time. Jesus was and remains Jewish, to this day.
 
th1b.taylor,

I'm sorry, but your link does not show examples of where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.
 
rstrats said:
th1b.taylor,

I'm sorry, but your link does not show examples of where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.
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I have been patient with you, others have given you Jonah andIhave done my best and have familiarized you with the customs of the day, as have others and now, your, intentionally being a pain. If you are a True Christ follower, you know darn well that you must live by faith and not by proof. So I ask once more.. what does it matter?
 
th1b.taylor,
re: "I have been patient with you..."

And I think that I have also been patient with you and the others who have presented accounts that are thought to be examples when in actuality they aren't.




re: "I...have familiarized you with the customs of the day, as have others..."

But none of the customs show where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.



re: "If you are a True Christ follower, you know darn well that you must live by faith and not by proof."

So when someone says that it was common practice to say something, I must take it by faith and not ask for support for the assertion? I can say anything I want and not be questioned about it?




re: "So I ask once more.. what does it matter?"

In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter one whit. I am simply curious.
 
rstrats said:
th1b.taylor,
re: "I have been patient with you..."

And I think that I have also been patient with you and the others who have presented accounts that are thought to be examples when in actuality they aren't.




re: "I...have familiarized you with the customs of the day, as have others..."

But none of the customs show where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.



re: "If you are a True Christ follower, you know darn well that you must live by faith and not by proof."

So when someone says that it was common practice to say something, I must take it by faith and not ask for support for the assertion? I can say anything I want and not be questioned about it?




re: "So I ask once more.. what does it matter?"

In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter one whit. I am simply curious.
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No, You are seeking extra-biblical information and if the Spirit dwells in you you will take the following advise. Cease trying to be bstinate, thus generating strife and possibly disturbing those that, like yourself, have not matured in the faith and go to the library as many have and research the Jewish Customs or be a Christian about it and seek the answer from YHWH I doubt YHWH will answer though because He has had it recorded in the Scriptures and you appear to be lacking faith in the truth of it. Is this a major point? Only to you and only because of the lack of faith. Is this a Salvation Issue? By itself no! However, when I planted Corn, I grew much Corn and when I planted Sweet Peas I ate Rabbit 'cause the Rabbit the whole row of my Peas, but the seed grew Sweet Peas, lots of them.

Somehow, the seed of unfounded doubt has been planted or to others detrement, you are playing Devil's Advocate. In either case, it is not a good thing. We are called to lift others up as we grow in the Faith and never mind what Science can or can't prove in Spiritual Matters and if not already, it will spread into your belief in Yashuah and all He did for you.


Dangerous!
 
rstrats said:
The Messiah said that 3 night times would be involved with His time in the "heart of the earth". However, there are those who believe that the Messiah died on the 6th day of the week and who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the time between the leaving of His spirit from His body and His resurrection on the 1st day of the week. But this belief allows for only 2 night times to be involved. To reconcile this discrepancy some say that the Messiah was using common Jewish idiomatic language. I am simply asking for examples to support that assertion; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have occurred.



This topic is essentially directed to those folks who say that it was common at the time to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have taken place. A 6th day crucifixion/first day resurrection would be one example. I'm simply looking for other examples to support it's commonality.
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I'm not going to even try to explain these. Just read them both (I did) and see if they make sense. I think the first link is better (in explaining) but essentially they both say the same thing.

https://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/j...surrected-on-sunday-how-long-was-jesus-in-the
https://gracethrufaith.com/topical-...ys/solving-the-three-day-three-night-mystery/
three-day-three-night-image.jpg
 
StoveBolts,
re: "It's pretty clear that rstrats is set in his belief..."


And exactly what do you think that belief is with regard to the purpose of this topic?
 
Papa Zoom,
re: "Personally I think there is something to be said of the two Sabbaths as it fits and solves the timeline problem."


That would be an issue for a different topic.
 
th1b.taylor,
re: "...You are seeking extra-biblical information..."

Scriptural examples will also be fine - in fact preferable.



re: "Somehow, the seed of unfounded doubt has been planted..."

Doubt about what?
 
I'm not going to believe in a Thursday crucifixion. That goes against scriptures.

However, Jesus speaking metaphorically to Pharisees... I'll buy that. The Pharisees were the "good guys" trying to "help" the people by exposing charlatans and setting an example of how to live "good" lives. Jesus hated them and their "politically correct" ways. According to Matthew 13 Jesus never spoke straightforward to them. This coming afterwards.
Jesus was speaking in a hostile manner to them...saying "they didn't deserve a sign" (excuse the paraphrase) unlike the thousands of regular people who were given signs and wonders to increase their faith.
So Jesus used a simile... from the word "similar" meaning close but not exactly...yeah and when I get hot I don't speak accurately either. Especially when he was talking about how he was going to die for these miserable creatures that He created who were being a pain in His personal southern location.
 
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