Constantine...not Peter

[Imagican]

Not only did Constantine need to run armies, (kill soldiers), but he had a bit of wife and children killing to do also.

Look guys, I whole-heartedly agree that the religion created upon the formation of the RCC cannot be judged by the actions of the emperor Constantine. And I completely agree that the Protestant movement was nothing more than an off-shoot of the RCC.

What I tried to offer in this post is that NEITHER are what Christ wanted for us. What Christ wanted was for us to accept His sacrifice and take advantage of His pain in order to find salvation so that we could develope a 'true' relationship with the Father again. This NO MAN can do for us other than Christ Himself.

NOTHING wrong can possibly be righteous, even if performed in the name of Christ. Inquisitions, murder, false worship, man-made traditions, all these things done in the name of Christ do nothing but offer false testimony of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. No amount of doctrine or pomp can alter the reality of falsehood these contain.

This thread was about churches in general and I still maintain that what we have at our disposal now days are ALL WRONG. We were warned that this would happen, yet we chose to follow the teachings of men rather than Christ.

NO, the protestants have done no better job at it than the Cahtolics have done. They have both murdered, taught lies, created idols to worship and done everything in their power to take away the freedom offered through Jesus Christ.

Salvation and a relationship with God are one-on-one and all that our modern day religions have done is teach the opposite. They have taught to lean on the church, (organization), more than Christ or God and because of this the Spirit has abandoned them.

I contend that the truth lies in the Word and that without it we are lost. No one is perfect, but when we see the error of our ways it's time to put away that which causes us to offend. I see this, (the offense), as practically all the churches do for us now. It's time to put them away and find the 'true' path which is nothing more than God through Christ His Son. If we were to learn to love God above all else and our neighbor as ourselves, we would need no building to gather in to pretend. We would be the Sons of God.

 

[Imagican]

Orthodoxy,

Not that I have need to defend myself or my understanding of God's purpose for my life. But, I would like to offer this: I am not a Protestant unless denying the RCC or any other form of Catholicism makes me such. I am not anything save Christ crucified for the sake of our immortal souls.

I believe in God, our creator and the Father of Jesus Christ.

I believe in NO 'trinity'.

There is ONE God. One Savior Jesus Christ, His Son. And the Holy Spirit that guides those that are willing to let it.

I believe in no man except Jesus Christ as He lived and died on this planet.

I believe that the Word is our guide to the will of God and the story of His never ending struggle to bring us to Him and His will.

I believe in NO churches other than the one 'true' Church, the body of Christ.

So please, don't confuse me with any denomination that you are familiar with. I am associated with no man-made social club called a 'church of whatever'.

I would offer the same condemnation of Protestant churches as those of the Catholic persuasion. Both are forms of self-worship created by man and have little to do with God's will or the 'true' following of Jesus Christ.

So you see, my friend, you have probably mistaken me for someone who cares for something other than that which matters most. Institutions are man made for men. The love of God and the salvation offered by Jesus Christ exist for the Son's of God, one of which I hope to be worthy of being one day.

 

[Imagican]

Orthodox Christian,

I would be more than willing to discuss the persecution created and performed by the Protestants. But, as you stated and are 100 percent correct in doing so, rehashing the past get's us no where. We need to be focusing on the present and the will of God for us NOW.

I only wish that there were more of the desire needed among us to follow Christ instead of man. We need to learn to be independent of the world and lean completely on our Creator, the one who loved us enough to offer His own Son as sacrifice for us, even when we were yet His enemies.

And guys, regardless of how my posts may sound, I have no ill feelings towards any man for defending his beliefs. I am often internally pained to hear of the beliefs of others, but this is through love and not hate. I harbor no ill will towards any man for his ignorance or knowledge or understanding. I only wish that I could offer hope that each and every one of us will live one day with Christ as our King. I believe that the opportunity exist for all, but the choices of the those that rely upon the world will not allow most to even 'see' the possibility.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

D46- Do you think those photos somehow prove that Catholics are of satan? Because pagans used prayer beads, this makes Catholics evil? So does that make us who celebrate Christmas and Easter satanic also? Hey, satanists use altars. Ever seen an altar call? They must be evil.

Really. Come on, some of the things thrown around here are just plain silly.

 

[Vic C.]

D46- Do you think those photos somehow prove that Catholics are of satan? Because pagans used prayer beads, this makes Catholics evil? So does that make us who celebrate Christmas and Easter satanic also? Hey, satanists use altars. Ever seen an altar call? They must be evil.

Really. Come on, some of the things thrown around here are just plain silly.

I guess that all depends on what lenghts one goes to to celebrate these days.

We call it an "invitational" instead of an Alter Call. We call Easter "Ressurection Day". ;-)

 

[thessalonian]

Orthodox Christian,

I only wish that there were more of the desire needed among us to follow Christ instead of man. We need to learn to be independent of the world and lean completely on our Creator, the one who loved us enough to offer His own Son as sacrifice for us, even when we were yet His enemies.

There are most certainly men we are not to follow but this paragraph seems contradictory to Heb 13:17. Perhaps you could reconcile them. I personally don't see it as an either or situation. We are to follow the men that God has appointed as rightful religous authorities over us. What happened when Korah and Dathan tried to usurp the authority of Moses? You might say, oh, well that was the Old Testament. Jude doesn't allow you that angle however. Korah's rebellions go on today against the rightful leaders of the Church.

[8] Yet in like manner these men in their dreamings defile the flesh, reject authority[/b], and revile the glorious ones.
[9] But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, disputed about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you."
[10] But these men revile whatever they do not understand, and by those things that they know by instinct as irrational animals do, they are destroyed.
[11] Woe to them! For they walk in the way of Cain, and abandon themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam's error, and perish in Korah's rebellion. [12] These are blemishes on your love feasts, as they boldly carouse together, looking after themselves; waterless clouds, carried along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted;

 

[D46]

D46- Do you think those photos somehow prove that Catholics are of satan? Because pagans used prayer beads, this makes Catholics evil?

I don't need pictures for that, history proves my point, although a picture is worth a thousand words. Out of all the posts about this even before I came here and you still question the validity of my statements? I don't know how much proof people need to see the folly of this organization and where her roots originated.

Ever heard of the Legion of Mary? This is a statement from them...

“It was first from HER VEINS THAT THE BLOOD WAS DRAWN WHICH NOW LIES SCATTERED CHEAPLY ABOUT, BUT WHICH HAS RANSOMED THE WORLD….That Precious Blood will henceforth flow through the Mystical Body, forcing life, so to speak, into every crevice of it...In that moment, those Sacred Hearts [Jesus and Mary] entered into a union so close as to approach IDENTITY. Henceforth, they will beat together in and for the Mystical Body. Thereby Mary has become the Mediatrix of all graces, the Spiritual Vessel which receives and gives Our Lord’s Most Precious Blood.†(164-165)

That statement alone is enough to expose Roman Catholicism as pagan. May I add, that the book from which it comes, Legio Mariae, has the endorsement of Pope Pius XI (Sept.16, 1933), Pope Pius XII (July 22, 1953), Pope John XXIII (Mar.19, 1960) and Pope Paul IV (Jan.6, 1965), and no doubt, Paul II; so it is not some book no one ever heard of. Yet several popes endorsed and recommended this garbage. What a lack of discernment, and a total disregard for the evidence in the scriptures. They are without excuse and so are those that blindly follow them. It won't be silly when those that are in this stand before God on Judgement Day and try to explain away their idolatry and pagan practices.

The rosary is a damnable heresy, nowhere taught in the Word of God. I am saddened that so many people have fallen hook, line, and sinker for the damnable teachings of the Roman Catholic religion.

"Our Lady" made these promises to Christians who faithfully pray the Rosary:

1. To all those who shall pray my Rosary devoutly, I promise my special protection and great graces.

It sounds great, but what is the "special protection" and what are the "great graces." Talk is cheap, you've got to tell us more than that. And what's with the "my Rosary" deal? If the rosary belongs to Mary, where does God fit into the picture? From all the time I have spent dissecting the Catholic religion, one thing is very clear to me...Roman Catholics are utterly consumed in mind, body, and spirit with the "blessed virgin Mary" while Jesus Christ is ignored. I triple dog dare you to watch any Catholic worship service and you'll see Mary exalted to the heavens, but what does the Bible say concerning this heathen practice? The Bible declares...

"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth" -Philippians 2:9,10.

2. Those who shall persevere in the recitation of my Rosary will receive some special grace.

There is absolutely nothing in the Bible teaching such foolishness. God never instructs us to recite anything; on the contrary, God condemns such practices...

"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do..." -Matthew 6:7

3. The Rosary will be a very powerful armor against hell; it will destroy vice, deliver from sin and dispel heresy.

What a bunch of lies! Do you really believe that counting 59 beads and a cross on a rosary is going to accomplish anything other than wasting your time? Jesus never taught any such nonsense. The Bible never teaches us to count beads or pray a rosary. In Matthew 6:9-13, Jesus taught us how to pray...

"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."

5. Those who trust themselves to me through the Rosary will not perish.

This is one of the most blasphemous statements I've read. The Catholic religion teaches that those who trust MARY through the ROSARY will not perish. That's a dirty lie of the devil. The Bible proclaims...

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." -John 3:16.

These are but a few of the fifteen "Promises of the Rosary." Now, do you think this is pagan or not?

 

[thessalonian]

Ever heard of the Legion of Mary? This is a statement from them...

“It was first from HER VEINS THAT THE BLOOD WAS DRAWN WHICH NOW LIES SCATTERED CHEAPLY ABOUT, BUT WHICH HAS RANSOMED THE WORLD….That Precious Blood will henceforth flow through the Mystical Body, forcing life, so to speak, into every crevice of it...In that moment, those Sacred Hearts [Jesus and Mary] entered into a union so close as to approach IDENTITY. Henceforth, they will beat together in and for the Mystical Body. Thereby Mary has become the Mediatrix of all graces, the Spiritual Vessel which receives and gives Our Lord’s Most Precious Blood.†(164-165)

Nice job of selectively quoting and leaving out parts so that it sounds like Mary's blood was the blood shed for our sins. That is not what the document says however. Here is the full quote:

"That moment of our death is represented by a cross, all dripping with blood, upon which our head has just finished his work. At the foot of the cross stands a figure, so desolate that it seems impossible for her to continue to live. That woman is the mother alike of the Redeemer and of the redeemed. It was first from her veins that the blood was drawn which now lies scattered cheaply about, but which has ransomed the world. That Precious Blood will henceforth flow through the Mystical Body, forcing life, so to speak, into every crevice of it. But all the consequences of this flowing must be understood, so that they can be applied. That precious stream brings to the soul the likeness of Christ; but it is the Christ complete: not merely the Christ of Bethlehem and Thabor - the Christ of joy and glory, but as well the Christ of pain and sacrifice - the Christ of Calvary."

If anyone wants to read it here it is:

http://www.legion-of-mary.ie/Publicatio ... %2009.html


It is NOT saying that Mary's blood was ransomed for all but the blood of her son which came frome her humanity. The point of it is that Jesus humanity was drawn from her. I don't see how you can deny this. His blood is human blood. It is not eternal blood. To attribute it as coming from his humanity which was from Mary is not any sort of blasphemy or paganism. It is reality. God became flesh unless you are a donatist.


Now D46 has a problem apparently with Mary being perfectly united with Christ as if that is impossible. Well in heaven we had better be in perfect union with him or we will be in hell. It does not make one a god to be in perfect union with Christ. It merely makes the fully redeemed and perfected. Something which must happen for us before heavens gates are opened for us. You've heard it said, nobody's perfect. Well you need to become perfect before you enter heaven. That's a fact.

Blessings

 

[Orthodox Christian]

D46 with the old bait-and switch.Somehow we have drifted from unsubstantiated claims about Constantine and Peter to this present distortion. In the process, a very pointed question was ignored:
Just what exactly do those spuriously correlated photos prove?

There, another question to ignore.

and you still question the validity of my statements?

Most certainly I do.

 

[SpiritualSon]

There were four churches on earth:
The first church, which may be called the Most Ancient Church, came into existence before the flood, and its ending or departure is described by the flood.

The second church, which may be called the Ancient Church, was in Asia and in parts of Africa; this came to an end and perished as the result of idolatrous practices.

The third church was the Israelite Church, begun by the proclamation of the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai, and continued through the Word written by Moses and the Prophets. This came to an end and terminated as the result of profaning the Word, a process which reached its full development at the time the Lord came into the world. That was why they crucified Him who was the Word.

The fourth church is the Christian Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, by means of the Evangelists and the Apostles. There had been two phases: one from the Lord's time down to the Council of Nicaea, the other from that Council down to the present day. But in its development it split into three, the Greek, Roman Catholic and Protestant Churches.

Harry :fadein:

 

[thessalonian]

The fourth church is the Christian Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, by means of the Evangelists and the Apostles. There had been two phases: one from the Lord's time down to the Council of Nicaea, the other from that Council down to the present day. But in its development it split into three, the Greek, Roman Catholic and Protestant Churches.

Harry :fadein:

Thus Jesus words were fullfilled, "on this rock I will build my ChurchES" and Paul's as well "the ChurchES are the pillar and support of truth". :

 

[SpiritualSon]

The fourth church is the Christian Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, by means of the Evangelists and the Apostles. There had been two phases: one from the Lord's time down to the Council of Nicaea, the other from that Council down to the present day. But in its development it split into three, the Greek, Roman Catholic and Protestant Churches.

Harry :fadein:

Thus Jesus words were fullfilled, "on this rock I will build my ChurchES" and Paul's as well "the ChurchES are the pillar and support of truth". :

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Peter is only a representaion of the rock, but is not the Rock itself. Rock means truth from Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is truth itself. Why truth itself, because He is the Word, and the Word is the truth. The Lord's church was built on truth. Peter signifies truth from good or faith from charity. The reason Jesus took Peter, James and John up a mountain with Him, was because the three represented what the church is in man. The church in man, is faith, charity and the works of charity, this is meant by Peter, James and John. Peter is faith, James is charity and John, the works of charity. Good works is charity is action, this meant by John.

They all drank spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual Rock; the Rock was Christ 1 Corinthians 10:4

Harry :fadein:

 

[thessalonian]

The fourth church is the Christian Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, by means of the Evangelists and the Apostles. There had been two phases: one from the Lord's time down to the Council of Nicaea, the other from that Council down to the present day. But in its development it split into three, the Greek, Roman Catholic and Protestant Churches.

Harry :fadein:

Thus Jesus words were fullfilled, "on this rock I will build my ChurchES" and Paul's as well "the ChurchES are the pillar and support of truth". :

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Peter is only a representaion of the rock, but is not the Rock itself. Rock means truth from Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is truth itself. Why truth itself, because He is the Word, and the Word is the truth. The Lord's church was built on truth. Peter signifies truth from good or faith from charity. The reason Jesus took Peter, James and John up a mountain with Him, was because the three represented what the church is in man. The church in man, is faith, charity and the works of charity, this is meant by Peter, James and John. Peter is faith, James is charity and John, the works of charity. Good works is charity is action, this meant by John.

They all drank spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual Rock; the Rock was Christ 1 Corinthians 10:4

Harry :fadein:

You didn't answer my question and I agree the Rock was Christ. This in no way excludes Peter from being the rock any more than 1 Cor 3:11 excludes prophets and apostles from being the foundation of the Church or Jesus words "I am the light of the world" excludes christias from being the light of the world. False dichotomies. Sorry.

 

[Lewis]

I don't need pictures for that, history proves my point, although a picture is worth a thousand words. Out of all the posts about this even before I came here and you still question the validity of my statements? I don't know how much proof people need to see the folly of this organization and where her roots originated.

Ever heard of the Legion of Mary? This is a statement from them...

“It was first from HER VEINS THAT THE BLOOD WAS DRAWN WHICH NOW LIES SCATTERED CHEAPLY ABOUT, BUT WHICH HAS RANSOMED THE WORLD….That Precious Blood will henceforth flow through the Mystical Body, forcing life, so to speak, into every crevice of it...In that moment, those Sacred Hearts [Jesus and Mary] entered into a union so close as to approach IDENTITY. Henceforth, they will beat together in and for the Mystical Body. Thereby Mary has become the Mediatrix of all graces, the Spiritual Vessel which receives and gives Our Lord’s Most Precious Blood.†(164-165)

D46 this stuff cannot be ignored, it is paganism at it's best.

 

[thessalonian]

I don't need pictures for that, history proves my point, although a picture is worth a thousand words. Out of all the posts about this even before I came here and you still question the validity of my statements? I don't know how much proof people need to see the folly of this organization and where her roots originated.

Ever heard of the Legion of Mary? This is a statement from them...

“It was first from HER VEINS THAT THE BLOOD WAS DRAWN WHICH NOW LIES SCATTERED CHEAPLY ABOUT, BUT WHICH HAS RANSOMED THE WORLD….That Precious Blood will henceforth flow through the Mystical Body, forcing life, so to speak, into every crevice of it...In that moment, those Sacred Hearts [Jesus and Mary] entered into a union so close as to approach IDENTITY. Henceforth, they will beat together in and for the Mystical Body. Thereby Mary has become the Mediatrix of all graces, the Spiritual Vessel which receives and gives Our Lord’s Most Precious Blood.†(164-165)

D46 this stuff cannot be ignored, it is paganism at it's best.

You might want to read the part that D46 edited out and also consider the context. It does not say it was Mary's blood that was scattered about and ransomed the world. Nor is it talking about her blood flowying through the Mystical Body. This is a distortion of the text to the point of bearing false witness. See my post above on this issue.


God bless

 

[D46]

D46 this stuff cannot be ignored, it is paganism at it's best.

Of course it is...any way you slice it, it's blasphemy as are the many repetitious "prayers" said during the rosary..."my life, my sweetness..." give me a break!!

You might want to read the part that D46 edited out and also consider the context.

I edited out nothing. I copied what was there-nothing less. Even so, what's there is evidence enough although I know I'll be repeatedly refuted by apologist, this is but a drop in the bucket as to the heretical teachings of the Catholic Church and unless one intends on standing before Christ one day and trying to explain away their earthly idolatry, all need to head the warning in Revelation 18:4. Eternity is a long time to be wrong. Naturally, I know you don't consider that but, just what if? Do you want to gamble on it?

 

[thessalonian]

You might want to read the part that D46 edited out and also consider the context.

I edited out nothing. I copied what was there-nothing less. Even so, what's there is evidence enough although I know I'll be repeatedly refuted by apologist, this is but a drop in the bucket as to the heretical teachings of the Catholic Church and unless one intends on standing before Christ one day and trying to explain away their earthly idolatry, all need to head the warning in Revelation 18:4. Eternity is a long time to be wrong. Naturally, I know you don't consider that but, just what if? Do you want to gamble on it?[/quote]

This is the, Gee, I didn't know the bank had money in it. I just drove the car defense. It's no gamble. If you saw half of what I saw in scripture you would think differently. You really need a change in prescrition.

 

[Orthodoxy]

The fourth church is the Christian Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, by means of the Evangelists and the Apostles. There had been two phases: one from the Lord's time down to the Council of Nicaea, the other from that Council down to the present day. But in its development it split into three, the Greek, Roman Catholic and Protestant Churches.

Harry :fadein:

Thus Jesus words were fullfilled, "on this rock I will build my ChurchES" and Paul's as well "the ChurchES are the pillar and support of truth". :

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Peter is only a representaion of the rock, but is not the Rock itself. Rock means truth from Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is truth itself. Why truth itself, because He is the Word, and the Word is the truth. The Lord's church was built on truth. Peter signifies truth from good or faith from charity. The reason Jesus took Peter, James and John up a mountain with Him, was because the three represented what the church is in man. The church in man, is faith, charity and the works of charity, this is meant by Peter, James and John. Peter is faith, James is charity and John, the works of charity. Good works is charity is action, this meant by John.

They all drank spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual Rock; the Rock was Christ 1 Corinthians 10:4

Harry :fadein:

The issue is not "churches" for we know there is only one body thus only one Church. The Church is a definite artical. The Church is not "A" church as the Jehovahs Witnesses have "A" God.

We know the Church is one. One mind, one judgement, one faith, one baptism, one etc etc etc. The Church is not divided because Jesus Christ is not divided.

The issue is did the gates of hades prevail against "the Church"?

Did the gates of hades prevail against "the Church" when the Judas fell away?

Did the gates of hades prevail against "the Church" when the judizer came along in Acts 15?

Did the gates of hades prevail against "the Church" when the gnostics came along in 1 John?

Did the gates of hades prevail against "the Church" when Arius broke away in 325 ad?

When the Nestorians broke off from the "one faith" in the 4th century did "the Church" fail?

When the Coptics or Monophysites left the faith did the gates of hades prevail against "the Church"?

When the Iconoclast were destroying the Church did the gates of hades prevail against "the Church"?

When the entire western Church (Roman Catholic Church) fell away from the "one faith" in 1054 ad did "the Church" fail then?

We cannot include the protestant reformation "churches" in "the Church" because historically the protestant church is rooted in a fallen roman catholic faith. The protestant churches originated in a Roman Catholic priest named "Luther". These are historical facts. There was NO protestant christian prior to 1517 ad. None.

Why would Jesus Christ as God Himself knowing His Church would fail say "the gates of hades will not prevail my Church" if hades was going to prevail, making Jesus a failure and God's Church needing men in the "reformation" to resurrect His Body?

No.

Jesus Christ is not a failure. He is God. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. His body "the Church" is unchanging in its nature from His ordination of the Apostles in John 20:21 and others on the earth.

Where on the Earth can one find a body of believers that have confessed the same "one faith" given by the saints today if Jesus Christ is unchanging?

Not in the Roman Catholic faith for they have changed the confession known by "the Church" for 1000 years. The Roman Faith at one time even agreed with "the Church" in all things and had all things in common until 1054 ad.

Not the protestants "churches" because they dont know what they confess as a unity. Each to his own way. Twice and even three and four times removed from the original faith delievered by the saints. They take the confession of faith and add to it and remove words at will.

"The Church" is a corperate body with the mind that transends time and space. "The Church" is bigger than one man. We are commanded to "obey and submit" to this corperate mind that confesses the one faith delievered by the saints.

Historical facts show the Holy Orthodox Church as the unchanging, unfailing, and timeless Body of Jesus Christ on the Earth with one confession. There is only one Church and it cannot fail because of one man or many men. The Church has outlasted all people and will out last all of us.

Even Stalin could not prevail against the Holy Orthodox Church. I am certain rebels and protestant evangilicals will not either.

Unworthy Servant

Orthodoxy

 

[D46]

Even Stalin could not prevail against the Holy Orthodox Church. I am certain rebels and protestant evangilicals will not either.

My, my...heaven is sure going to be a lonely place with just the Orthodox folks there. Maybe they'll have to explain a little how they got there with such arrogance. I tell you what, we all need to stop this incessant bickering about the Catholics being right, Protestants being right and the Orthodox church being the only ones right and start thinking about am I right with God. Will I be able to spend eternity with the one that died for me. Heaven is not a denominational mansion and the sooner we realize that the better and that includes me as well as everyone else. God is only concerned with, "What did you do with my son, Jesus?" Not how many times did you recite the rosary or how many Wednesday night services did you attend or did you tithe each Sunday. I've done my share of cutting down Catholics and they have me as well. Let it be known upfront despite all this, I despise no one in the Catholic faith as I had great inlaws once who were very much Catholic, or the Orthodox faith. I don't like what they teach, but I hold no animosity toward any particular individual because they've been raised in a particular faith. We all stand up for what we believe and have been taught...human nature. Obviously, someone is wrong. However, if centuries ago we had all adhered to what the word of God says instead of spawning off here and there with different beliefs, we wouldn't be doing this every night. I think we ALL need to wake up and start praising and thanking the one that took our place on the cross-the only Savior of our souls, Jesus Christ, instead of seeing who can out smart the other one or prove their point and doctrine better than the next. It's ludicrous people, and God's not pleased with this. Moreover, it's giving the devil one big hoot nightly.

 

[Lewis]

I don't hate the Catholics, I even liked John Paul as a person, and was sad about his death. He had some good qualities, like being against abortion, racism, and looking out for the poor, and he had many more good qualities. But what I did not like about him was the promotion of false doctrine. But I can love a Catholic just like a brother and sister.