Could God's plan for the lost be this simple?

[Cnkw3]

Yes, God's ways are perfect. In fact, I don't believe God would have created if He would lose even ONE of His Elect, to damnation.

I always like these statments…”I dont believe God would do this”. Like we know what God will and wont do.
My favorite one is….”My God is bigger than that”.
This is opposite of what the Bible teaches us. We are told that our thoughts are not his thoughts and His thoughts are not our thoughts. So the truth of the matter is he will probably do the opposite of what you “think” or “believe” he will do.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Surely Omniscient God would not create if most of those who come into existence, are lost forever. If a man built a factory that lost over 90% of its product, he would be labeled a fool.

Did God have a sure fire plan that did not rely on humans for success? Could it be this simple, He makes all things work together to save His Beloved, every one of them:

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. (Rom. 8:28 NKJ)

Jesus in His divine superhuman knowledge has declared in His Word that there are those among us who are the children of Satan.

Jhn 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.

You have not addressed Jesus's calling out of Satan and his children at all ?

Where will father Satan and his children go ?

Could Jesus's description of Satan the murderer and Satan's children really " be this simple " ?

Does Jesus describe Satan and his children as being lost ?

Or does Jesus actually further detail a definite future eternal home for father Satan and his children ?

 

[Alfred Persson]

I always like these statments…”I dont believe God would do this”. Like we know what God will and wont do.
My favorite one is….”My God is bigger than that”.
This is opposite of what the Bible teaches us. We are told that our thoughts are not his thoughts and His thoughts are not our thoughts. So the truth of the matter is he will probably do the opposite of what you “think” or “believe” he will do.

Wrong classification. I don't "judge God" or "presume to know xyz", I analyze Scriptural data.

God is perfect, His ways are perfect. Various scriptures explicitly state or imply these perfections.

Therefore, as it would not be perfection the children God created creation to bring into existence---be destroyed by that same creation---He would "have a fix" to ensure that couldn't happen.

Election, predestination unto salvation is that "fix". "Eternal Security" springs from this. Perhaps you heard of it.

What if the Bible Teaches Both Predestination and Free Will? | End Time News

What if the Bible Teaches Both Predestination and Free Will? Scripture says divine election is conditioned "according to the foreknowledge of God" (1 Pt. 1:2): Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood...

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[Alfred Persson]

Jesus in His divine superhuman knowledge has declared in His Word that there are those among us who are the children of Satan.

Jhn 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.

You have not addressed Jesus's calling out of Satan and his children at all ?

Where will father Satan and his children go ?

Could Jesus's description of Satan the murderer and Satan's children really " be this simple " ?

Does Jesus describe Satan and his children as being lost ?

Or does Jesus actually further detail a definite future eternal home for father Satan and his children ?

God didn't create so the children of the Devil would come into existence. They are irrelevant to my proposition.

Satan and his children are lost and damned by their own choice, they go where they chose, into the second death. For some of them, that results in their eternal torment, for others annihilation when the eternal flames consume them. Their punishment is according to their works.

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[Cnkw3]

Wrong classification. I don't "judge God" or "presume to know xyz", I analyze Scriptural data.

God is perfect, His ways are perfect. Various scriptures explicitly state or imply these perfections.

Therefore, as it would not be perfection the children God created creation to bring into existence---be destroyed by that same creation---He would "have a fix" to ensure that couldn't happen.

Election, predestination unto salvation is that "fix". "Eternal Security" springs from this. Perhaps you heard of it.

What if the Bible Teaches Both Predestination and Free Will? | End Time News

What if the Bible Teaches Both Predestination and Free Will? Scripture says divine election is conditioned "according to the foreknowledge of God" (1 Pt. 1:2): Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood...

endtimenews.net

The majority of Gods “creation“ will be destroyed. It wont be his fault either. He created a perfect world and gave us a chance at something and we destroyed it. But, in his love for what he created he then gave his “perfect creation” a second chance. That chance is extended to “whosoever will”!

 

[eddif]

The majority of Gods “creation“ will be destroyed. It wont be his fault either. He created a perfect world and gave us a chance at something and we destroyed it. But, in his love for what he created he then gave his “perfect creation” a second chance. That chance is extended to “whosoever will”!

I do not want to argue. I would like to make a point or two.

Genesis 1:31 kjv
31. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it wasvery good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

A. Perfect God made a very good creation.

Perfection will only come to a very good creation through Christ Jesus.

There is no perfection to be restored.
There is a new heaven and a new earth / born again solution.

There may be 26,000,000 people shout me down. Not a problem. 260 seminaries can tell me very good means perfect. Not a problem.

There have been errors in belief taught since Satan tried to convince Eve she could be like God. Eve was very good but not exactly like God. IMHO Her humanity was the reason she had to eat continually from the tree of life. Adam was very good too, but he did not have the spiritual gifts to deal with Satan.

The fall took man to pretty bad. Then man went downhill to awful. At Noah's time man was about to be destroyed totally. The flood may have restored some good, but perefection? No.

Today I have a flesh body that has benefits, but it is not perfect and perfection will not come till the last trump.

Look I am a mississippi redneck and talking way above who I are.
eddif

 

[Alfred Persson]

The majority of Gods “creation“ will be destroyed. It wont be his fault either. He created a perfect world and gave us a chance at something and we destroyed it. But, in his love for what he created he then gave his “perfect creation” a second chance. That chance is extended to “whosoever will”!

That's unscriptural, ALL heaven and earth will dissolve in intense heat and a new heavens and new earth created:

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. (2 Pet. 3:10 NKJ)

"For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. (Isa. 65:17 NKJ)

Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. (2 Pet. 3:13 NKJ)

1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. (Rev. 21:1-3 NKJ)

You are also wrong about God not saving those He foreknew:

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
(Rom. 8:28-30 NKJ)

Your theory God would permit one of those He foreknew be lost, is unscriptural.

 

[Cnkw3]

That's unscriptural, ALL heaven and earth will dissolve in intense heat and a new heavens and new earth created:

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. (2 Pet. 3:10 NKJ)

"For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. (Isa. 65:17 NKJ)

Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. (2 Pet. 3:13 NKJ)

1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. (Rev. 21:1-3 NKJ)

You are also wrong about God not saving those He foreknew:

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
(Rom. 8:28-30 NKJ)

Your theory God would permit one of those He foreknew be lost, is unscriptural.

Are you one of the ”elect”?

 

[Alfred Persson]

Are you one of the ”elect”?

Yes Pilgrim, so are you.

Just like these believers:

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied. (1 Pet. 1:1-2 NKJ)

However, while an elect may die unsaved a sinner and go to hell to pay for sins, the fire of hell will refine the soul, burn away all slavery to sin and perversion and delusion restoring its free will, and then they will choose to repent and believe. Then rise up to a resurrection of life. Only those NOT found written in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire:

Their repentance and belief in Christ while "in the grave" when they "hear Christ's voice", allows their names to be transferred from one of the books to the "book of life". Only those NOT found written in the book of life suffer the second death, the death from which there is no return, no resurrection:

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev. 20:11-15 NKJ)

28 "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
29 "and come forth-- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. (Jn. 5:28-29 NKJ)

But if someone thinking they are one of the elect, betray Christ, take the Mark of the Beast, or any other apostasy, and die. Clearly THEY were not one of the elect, they only thought they were.

Once an Elect repents and believes in Christ, they don't fall away. They don't "sin unto death":

We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him. (1 Jn. 5:18 NKJ)


But elect can die not knowing about Christ, or even thinking He is their enemy because of lies and delusions of this world, but in Hell they will learn the truth and repent and believe:

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience,
31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
34 "For who has known the mind of the LORD? Or who has become His counselor?"
35 "Or who has first given to Him And it shall be repaid to him?"
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen. (Rom. 11:25-36 NKJ)

 

[Alfred Persson]

Are you one of the ”elect”?

PS. Being one of the Elect predestined onto salvation doesn't mean free will isn't determinative. In God's Omniscience He saw all those who responded to His love, with love. God did not make them love Him. Lest God lose even one of these He foreknew, He predestines them unto salvation.

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. (Rom. 8:28 KJV)

Hell is one of the things God created to work together for the good of the elect. For example, when one of the elect is born poor in Mexico, joins the cartel and does evil, and dies unrepentant. God does not allow the Devil the victory.

55 "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?"
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Cor. 15:55-57 NKJ)

In Hades the tormenting fire extracts divine payment for sin (Jer. 30:11; Jonah 2:2; Ps. 18:6), but also refines burning away the dross of sin and delusion, restoring the soul's ability to make a free will choice whether to love God or not, whether to believe the gospel of Jesus for salvation or not.

And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. (Zech. 13:9 KJV)

The Elect of God will always make the right decision, not because God made them but because its who they are, children of God.

God didn't predestine their will be overridden, He predestined their free will be restored to what it was in God's Omniscience before He created, "truly free of all sin and delusion so its choice is true to who the person is."


For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. (1 Pet. 4:6 NKJ)

Some think everyone in hell fire would confess Jesus is Lord for salvation from it. But that isn't the case. Without the body, without delusion and in full possession of free will, the true intention of the heart will be known. If one is a child of the devil (by self choice), they cannot "fake it" and pretend to believe.

Only those who pass the judgment-trial (2920 κρίσις krisis) that occurs after physical death, will eagerly look for Christ's second coming apart from sin, for salvation:

27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

(Heb. 9:27-10:1 NKJ)

 

[Cnkw3]

Yes Pilgrim, so are you.

See, Im one of the elect because I have obeyed the gospel. Believed, repented, confessed and was baptized in order to remove my sins. This isnt you. You believe you were chosen. How do you know you were chosen? Just because one might “believe” in Christ does not make one “elect”. Mt 12:42 proves that.

Just like these believers:

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied. (1 Pet. 1:1-2 NKJ)

You should keep going. All you have in the passage above is the word elect. Peter then goes on to describe these people as…
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1 Peter 1:2,22-23
I would think you would agree that the “elect” are purified and born again? Its how Peter describes them..These were people that were purified through obedience. They were born again by the word. These are people that have heard and obeyed the gospel. This is the elect!

However, while an elect may die unsaved a sinner and go to hell to pay for sins, the fire of hell will refine the soul, burn away all slavery to sin and perversion and delusion restoring its free will, and then they will choose to repent and believe. Then rise up to a resurrection of life. Only those NOT found written in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire:

Where does the Bible EVER say you get a second chance after death? Heb 9 says it is appointed for all men once to die then the judgment. Lk 16…..read it! Oh yea! I forgot…the rich man must have not been one of the chosen like you. But I dont think you can prove that you are one of the chosen.

Their repentance and belief in Christ while "in the grave" when they "hear Christ's voice", allows their names to be transferred from one of the books to the "book of life". Only those NOT found written in the book of life suffer the second death, the death from which there is no return, no resurrection:

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

Where does the Bible EVER say we will be judged by “works” we perform AFTER death? Never seen that one!

13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev. 20:11-15 NKJ)

This is describing the final judgment. These are not works done while dead.

28 "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
29 "and come forth-- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. (Jn. 5:28-29 NKJ)

Jesus said the same thing didnt he? He’s describing final judgment.
What “good” did they ever do while cruising through hades? I hate when people make this stuff up like it came from God.

But if someone thinking they are one of the elect, betray Christ, take the Mark of the Beast,

You dont even know what the “mark of the beast“ is? Everybody just makes up something.

or any other apostasy, and die. Clearly THEY were not one of the elect, they only thought they were.

So you can live your life thinking…Im one of the elect but in reality youll never really know until you die? Beautiful.
See, this is why I ask you….are you one of the elect? You dont even know! What a comforting doctrine that is. Nobody can ever know until they die.
What a contradictory doctrine you have. You have already told us that the “elect” could make things right after death? So, why would it matter if they died in apostasy or sin? They can just repent and clear it up in hades.
Now you are saying that if the “elect” or those who think they are elect ( I don’t see the difference if you can clear it up after death) die in sin then they weren’t really “elect” after all. But even if you “think” you are one of them and die in your sin it wont matter because you can clear it up while dead.
Whatever!

Once an Elect repents and believes in Christ, they don't fall away. They don't "sin unto death":

it dont matter….they can clear it up after death.

We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him. (1 Jn. 5:18 NKJ)


But elect can die not knowing about Christ, or even thinking He is their enemy because of lies and delusions of this world, but in Hell they will learn the truth and repent and believe:

So why even do ANY of this religious stuff? Go to church, read the Bible, try to be faithful to God, etc. None of it matters to this mess of a doctrine.

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience,
31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
34 "For who has known the mind of the LORD? Or who has become His counselor?"
35 "Or who has first given to Him And it shall be repaid to him?"
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen. (Rom. 11:25-36 NKJ)

Paul mentions in Rom 10..
Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
Romans 10:1
he then said…
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Romans 11:14
Why would they need “provoking”? I thought they were the “elect”?
Doesn’t sound like all jews are going to be saved. Only if they obey the gospel.
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Romans 10:16
It doesn’t just say…believe the gospel. It say…obey the gospel.

 

[Cnkw3]

Hell is one of the things God created to work together for the good of the elect. For example, when one of the elect is born poor in Mexico, joins the cartel and does evil, and dies unrepentant. God does not allow the Devil the victory.

55 "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?"
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Cor. 15:55-57 NKJ)

you might be one of the only people I have ever seen that preaches…Hell is good. Being a drug lord and killer is good for your soul.

In Hades the tormenting fire extracts divine payment for sin (Jer. 30:11; Jonah 2:2; Ps. 18:6), but also refines burning away the dross of sin and delusion, restoring the soul's ability to make a free will choice whether to love God or not, whether to believe the gospel of Jesus for salvation or not.

And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. (Zech. 13:9 KJV)

This does not say the trying by fire happens in hades. You made that part up.
Peter says this..
Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
1 Peter 4:12
Sounds like a present and physical trial.

The Elect of God will always make the right decision, not because God made them but because its who they are, children of God.

God didn't predestine their will be overridden, He predestined their free will be restored to what it was in God's Omniscience before He created, "truly free of all sin and delusion so its choice is true to who the person is."


For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. (1 Pet. 4:6 NKJ)

Dead? Physically dead or spiritually dead? I believe you have it wrong.

 

[JLB]

Surely Omniscient God would not create if most of those who come into existence, are lost forever. If a man built a factory that lost over 90% of its product, he would be labeled a fool.

Did God have a sure fire plan that did not rely on humans for success? Could it be this simple, He makes all things work together to save His Beloved, every one of them:

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. (Rom. 8:28 NKJ)

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Hebrews 5:9


Very Simple: Obey Jesus Christ as your Lord.


It’s not a hard thing to love and obey Him; He gives us a new heart that is made for loving Him and our neighbor.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


If we fall we get back up and keep going and learn from our mistakes, knowing He loves us and is here to empower us to obey Him and to do the things that please Him. Grace is that power that enables us to love and obey our Lord.


If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
1 John 1:6-10




JLB

 

[JLB]

See, Im one of the elect because I have obeyed the gospel. Believed, repented, confessed and was baptized in order to remove my sins. This isnt you. You believe you were chosen. How do you know you were chosen? Just because one might “believe” in Christ does not make one “elect”. Mt 12:42 proves that.

 

[Edward]

It could have thirty "compartments", but they are all still hades...and permanent.

I thought, it was temporary holding place until judgement day then they they get tossed into the lake of fire? The 2nd death?

 

[Alfred Persson]

See, Im one of the elect because I have obeyed the gospel. Believed, repented, confessed and was baptized in order to remove my sins. This isnt you. You believe you were chosen. How do you know you were chosen? Just because one might “believe” in Christ does not make one “elect”. Mt 12:42 proves that.

You should keep going. All you have in the passage above is the word elect. Peter then goes on to describe these people as…
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1 Peter 1:2,22-23
I would think you would agree that the “elect” are purified and born again? Its how Peter describes them..These were people that were purified through obedience. They were born again by the word. These are peo

I will answer your entire post when I have time, soon.

Confirmation bias (google it) clearly evident, Peter's opening words so blindly contradicted by eisegesis:

Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
(1 Pet. 1:2 KJV)

Read it again, slowly. Let the meaning sink in:

Elect according to the foreknowledge of God

(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
(Rom. 9:11 KJV)


Read it again, slowly. Let the meaning sink in:
election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

As election is "not of works" (elected before the children were born to be "purified through obedience...born again by the word...heard and obeyed the gospel"), you couldn't be more wrong.


The only way to reconcile election by foreknowledge, but not foreknowledge of works done after we are born, is how I did on my site:

What if the Bible Teaches Both Predestination and Free Will? | End Time News

What if the Bible Teaches Both Predestination and Free Will? Scripture says divine election is conditioned "according to the foreknowledge of God" (1 Pt. 1:2): Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood...

endtimenews.net

 

[JLB]

That's unscriptural, ALL heaven and earth will dissolve in intense heat and a new heavens and new earth created:

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. (2 Pet. 3:10 NKJ)

"For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. (Isa. 65:17 NKJ)

Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. (2 Pet. 3:13 NKJ)

1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. (Rev. 21:1-3 NKJ)

You are also wrong about God not saving those He foreknew:

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
(Rom. 8:28-30 NKJ)

Your theory God would permit one of those He foreknew be lost, is unscriptural.

It‘s unscriptural to assume those who are predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, will all obey what is necessary to do so.


For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Romans 8:29


I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:1-2


Are we offering our body as a living sacrifice? This calls for fasting and being consecrated, among other things such as perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Likewise we are to “cleanse ourselves from being a vessel of dishonor”, so that we will be prepared for service unto our Lord.


Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. 2 Corinthians 7:1


But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor. Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work. 2 Timothy 2:20-21


Peter says it this way —


But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;
2 Peter 1:5-10

• if you do these things you will never stumble;

Stumble means turn away from Christ.

These are just a few of the admonitions throughout scripture.


Jesus warns us to remain “in Him”.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Here is how scripture instructs us to remain “in Christ”.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24





JLB

 

[eddif]

IMHO
I plan to keep this simple, and do not want to engage in the total conversation.

1. The chance to be more changed in the story of the rich man and Lazarus: (Abraham's bosom - was by people trying to live right under first covenants).
The visit by Jesus into the grave to teach was a one time opportunity. (Period)
Now - just one lifetime chance.

2. The forreknowledge sprinkling is a type and shadow in Hebrew (double IMHO).

The Greek language has a different verbal look at something happening in the past ( that would be completed in the future), which I am not qualified to explain.

3. The earthquake, darkness, torn temple curtain, mini resurrection event at Christs crucifiction does not mean the resurrection is past. Again IMHO

4. Foreknowledge sprinkling is not the great commission baptism:
Into the Father - repentance
Into the Son - eternal salvation
Into the Holy Spirit - empowerment to be a witness.

These are not ceremonies, but the reality of being born again. Not types and shadows of things to come.

5. Jew and Gentile become one new man.

Limited Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Hopeful]

I thought, it was temporary holding place until judgement day then they they get tossed into the lake of fire? The 2nd death?

Only according to some.
I don't believe there is anything but the grave, until the day of judgement.

 

[Edward]

Only according to some.
I don't believe there is anything but the grave, until the day of judgement.

So how does He bring the Saints with Him then when He returns?
And who are the cloud of witnesses?