Could God's plan for the lost be this simple?

[Edward]

This DOES NOT say ”certain individuals“. He is writing to Christiana’s. he mentions these groups in the first verse. He calls these people, those that had obeyed the gospel, “the elect”. That is who the elect are. Those who obey.

I agree with this. One has to be obedient to be called the elect. That's where rank comes in in Heaven. Some, shall be call the least in the Kingdom of God...others shall be called the elect.

Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly,
Jonah 2:1
He was in a fish! Not in real hell! Do you just post these things without actually reading them? I don’t think you even care what they say. Jonah could repent because he was still ALIVE.

This Jonahstory has always scared me quite a bit. He was inside the fish, so seeing at how nasty that should have been for him, I can see him likening it with being in hell.

I live in Ohio because of this story about Jonah. God said to me, give your business to your son and move to Ohio (From Colorado!)...And I was like, Uh, No. That's not in the plan! Who moves from Colorful Colorado to...ohio? No one.

So then God brings Jonah to my attention and with a little quickening of the spirit and revelating (lol), He inspired the lessons of Jonah into my heart. So, Here I Am! No complaints.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread...

 

[eddif]

I agree with this. One has to be obedient to be called the elect. That's where rank comes in in Heaven. Some, shall be call the least in the Kingdom of God...others shall be called the elect.



This Jonahstory has always scared me quite a bit. He was inside the fish, so seeing at how nasty that should have been for him, I can see him likening it with being in hell.

I live in Ohio because of this story about Jonah. God said to me, give your business to your son and move to Ohio (From Colorado!)...And I was like, Uh, No. That's not in the plan! Who moves from Colorful Colorado to...ohio? No one.

So then God brings Jonah to my attention and with a little quickening of the spirit and revelating (lol), He inspired the lessons of Jonah into my heart. So, Here I Am! No complaints.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread...

A true Jew indeed.
Matthewg 16:4 kjv
4. A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

Matthew 12:39 kjv
39. A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
40. For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

You are into deep symbolism with Jonah.

eddif

 

[Alfred Persson]

Im sorry….you are like many who are a one trick pony. You post the same passages over and over as if you can make them say what you want. But not a one of your passages EVER says you can repent and be forgiven AFTER you die. You know it but dont seem to care.
Like the “book of life“. Where does it EVER say….names are changed in the book of life AFTER you have died, or while you are in hades? It doesn’t say that in any verse whatsoever. It specifically says…”found in the book of life” implying that they were already there. Their names had not been changed after death.

You ignored my answer to you, and call me a one trick pony. Why didn't you respond to my refutation of your interpretation?

Christ used the words (ἀκούσονται τῆς φωνῆς) to mean OBEDIENTLY HEAR, OBEY HIS VOICE

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice (ἀκούσονται τῆς φωνῆς) of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. (Jn. 5:25 KJV)

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice (ἀκούσονται τῆς φωνῆς), "and come forth-- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. (Jn. 5:28-29 NKJ)

Same words, same context = same meaning.

The spiritually dead would become alive once they repented and believed Jesus' preaching:
The physically dead would become alive once they repented and believed Jesus' preaching

That means those IN THE GRAVE (=dead, in hell) can OBEY the voice they hear:


Those who did it when Jesus preached to them "shall live" rise to the resurrection of life.
Those who did it in the GRAVE when Jesus preached to them, "shall live" rise to the resurrection of life.

That is true whether they believed when Christ preached to them while still physically alive, or believed when Christ preaches to them while physically dead in the grave (1 Pet. 3:18-22; 4:5-6).

That is EXEGESIS. Not a one trick.

I proved you wrong.

Stop insulting me and either prove the exegesis incorrect, or admit you are wrong. That's the Christian thing to do, is it not?

 

[eddif]

You ignored my answer to you, and call me a one trick pony. Why didn't you respond to my refutation of your interpretation. Christ used the words (ἀκούσονται τῆς φωνῆς) to mean OBEY

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice (ἀκούσονται τῆς φωνῆς) of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. (Jn. 5:25 KJV)

That means those IN THE GRAVE (=dead, in hell) can OBEY the voice they hear:

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice (ἀκούσονται τῆς φωνῆς),

Same words, same context = same meaning.

Those who Obediently hear, will live---those who did it when Jesus preached to them "shall live" even though they died physically.

Those who did it in the GRAVE when Jesus preached to them, "shall live" rise to the resurrection of life.

That is true whether they believed when Christ preached to them while still physically alive, or believed when Christ preaches to them while physically dead in the grave (1 Pet. 3:18-22; 4:5-6).

That is EXEGESIS. Not a one trick.

I proved you wrong.

Stop insulting me and either prove the exegesis incorrect, or admit you are wrong.

Good answer.
Could not a did no better myself.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[keiw1]

Surely Omniscient God would not create if most of those who come into existence, are lost forever. If a man built a factory that lost over 90% of its product, he would be labeled a fool.

Did God have a sure fire plan that did not rely on humans for success? Could it be this simple, He makes all things work together to save His Beloved, every one of them:

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. (Rom. 8:28 NKJ)

When one reads through the whole bible a few times, the only conclusion is 99% mislead at every given point. The only possibility when it wasnt that high was when the Israelites stood. Jesus himself compared these last days to Noahs day( 99.9% mislead) Luke 17:26---
Jesus teaches--Enter through the narrow gate, for cramped is the road that leads off into life( being saved) FEW are the ones finding it. For broad and spacious the path that leads todestruction, MANY have entered this way.
Its not Gods fault, its lazy mortals fault--His written word to readily available to all--Few bother obeying Jesus who taught--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God--Thus it means one must study the OT-NT over and over, year after year to learn and apply every utterance. Few bother. They let some man who has never seen a single name written in Gods book of life, tell them they are saved so they do little to obey Jesus.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly,
Jonah 2:1
He was in a fish! Not in real hell! Do you just post these things without actually reading them? I don’t think you even care what they say. Jonah could repent because he was still ALIVE.

You can't draw an analogy to what doesn't exist.

For example, you can say "that tastes like chicken" because we know the taste of chicken. You can't say that tastes like 000 because 000 doesn't exist as something that can be tasted.

Therefore, the analogy proves salvation from hell exists.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Most of the time “elect” refers to the Jews.

Yes, but many things first applied to the Jews only, then the New Covenant made them applicable to Gentiles also:

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Rom. 10:12-13 KJV)

Otherwise Jesus couldn't say the saved would flood in from all the earth:

11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matt. 8:11-12 KJV)

Peter didn't exclude the Gentiles among the Jews when he said this:

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. (1 Pet. 1:1-2 KJV)


Whoever the "elect lady" was, John mentions her as one whom he loves:

1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth; (2 Jn. 1:1 KJV)

Then speaks in another letter to Gaius, a Macedonian and calls him "wellbeloved".

3 John
1 The elder unto the wellbeloved Gaius, whom I love in the truth.
2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
(3 John 1:1-2 KJV)

I can't imagine John didn't see Gaius as one of the elect.


I've never heard anyone claim God only elected Jews before the foundation of the world:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
(Eph. 1:4-5 KJV)

You are the first.

 

[Alfred Persson]

You keep posting this passage… The “dead” are not physically dead. That is why he says they “LIVE” according to God in the spirit. They are spiritually dead. That is who you preach to….the lost.

Context disproves that, the dead are the same (3498 νεκρός nekros) in both verses.

God judges the living AND the dead, not "the living and the living":

5 They will give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead (3498 νεκρός nekros).
6 For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead (3498 νεκρός nekros), that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. (1 Pet. 4:5-6 NKJ)

Peter speaks about dead people in verse 5, and continues to speak about dead people in verse 6.

In other words, how can God judge the dead for not obeying the gospel, if they never heard the gospel when alive. In the 1st century, those who heard the gospel perhaps was less than a million.

 

[Alfred Persson]

What does this have to do with foreknowledge? nothing. We all know there is no “unrighteousness with God”.

Everything, but I agree there is no unrighteousness with God. He didn't elect evil people and force them to live with Him in righteousness, that would be tyranny...evil.

So He lets the children of the Devil choose their fate.

But God did elect the children of God to be saved, because He loves them and refuses Satan any victory.

But everything you claim about "foreseen faith" is wrong, because Paul says so:

11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), (Rom. 9:11 NKJ)

They were elected BEFORE they were born, did good or bad, therefore "foreseen faith" had NOTHING to do with their election.

 

[Alfred Persson]

This is a part of church discipline. When you are kicked out of the church and excommunicated it is a form of punishment with eternal consequences. This is how one is to be…..”delivered unto satan”..

That's ignores what Paul said, he specifically talks about Satan destroying that sinner's flesh.

Its irrelevant Paul later readmits the sinner into the congregation, after he repented. No doubt fearing destruction of his flesh by Satan had something to do with it.

The POINT is: Paul was willing to let that sinner die a horrible death, so he would repent and his "spirit be saved in the day of the LORD Jesus."


3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed.
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. (1 Cor. 5:3-5 NKJ)

 

[Alfred Persson]

Why post this? It DOES NOT SAY turn away in hell. These people are still alive.

How can this apply only to the living when everyone PHYSICALLY dies, both righteous and unrighteous:

4 "Behold, all souls are Mine; The soul of the father As well as the soul of the son is Mine; The soul who sins shall die.
5 But if a man is just And does what is lawful and right;
...
If he has walked in My statutes And kept My judgments faithfully-- He is just; He shall surely live!" Says the Lord GOD. (Ezek. 18:4-17 NKJ)

Therefore, God is NOT speaking about living physically, the soul that sins "dies spiritually" and the soul that obeys God "lives spiritually" even if he physically dies.

Therefore, the restriction of this to only the living is forced, not in the text at all. God doesn't specify it applies only when people are alive. That is a presumption that seems likely, UNTIL we notice all the other scriptures that suggest, imply and explicitly state repentance in hell is possible. I cited them more than once, you ignored them:

(1Sam. 2:6-10; 2Sam. 22:5-7; Ps. 16:10-11; 30:3; 49:15; 56:14; 68:18-20; 71:19-24; 86:13; 88:1-18; 107:10-15; 116:3-9; 118:17-18; 139:8; Isa. 4:4; 26:19-21; Lam. 3:25; Hos. 13:14; Jon. 2:2-6; Mic. 7:7-9; Zec. 9:11; John 5:28-29; 1 Pt. 3:18-22; 4:6; 1 Cor. 5:5; Eph. 4:8-10; Heb. 9:27-28; Rev. 20:11-15 )

 

[Alfred Persson]

21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
...
27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die. (Ezek. 18:21-28 KJV)

Because it follows God would act on what He desires.

For example, God documents His desire people be saved by the sacrifice of His only begotten Son to effect salvation of repentant wicked.

That proves God will take the steps necessary so what He does desire, happens.

If salvation comes through Jesus, then its seems impossible God not preach Jesus to the dead, so they can be judged for the sins done in their flesh, but live according to God in the spirit while in hell, until the resurrection when they who head and obeyed Christ's voice, rise to a resurrection of life:

6 For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. (1 Pet. 4:6 NKJ)

28 "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
29 "and come forth-- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
(Jn. 5:28-29 NKJ)

13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. (Rev. 20:13 NKJ)

It doesn't say they are judged only for the works they did while physically alive, because then the judgment that happened AFTER they "died once" would have been sufficient, making the Great White Throne Judgment "redundant":

27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. (Heb. 9:27-28 NKJ)

AND the text says some of those judged now eagerly waited for Christ to appear a second time, apart from their sin, to salvation....to save them from death.

 

[Alfred Persson]

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.- (Isa. 55:8-11 KJV)

Why post this? It says NOTHING you are preaching. None of it even hints at someone repenting in hell.

Because God says His Word gets the results He sent it to accomplish.

As God's word is preached to the dead, it follows it got good results. For example, the "spirits in prison" Christ (the Word of God) preached to, MUST have given the "answer of a good conscience towards God" because if they didn't nothing in the context is a true antitype to how the Church is saved by giving the same "answer of a good conscience" to Christ's preaching:


18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,
20 who formerly were disobedient (544 ἀπειθέω apeitheo), when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
21 There is also an antitype which now saves us-- baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him. (1 Pet. 3:18-22 NKJ)


These heard Noah's preaching but they refused to believe (544 ἀπειθέω apeitheo) and so were disobedient to God's offer of salvation. They were the hybrid angel-human offspring, "men of renown" (Gen. 6:2, 4) who also died during the flood (Gen. 7:21-23).

They weren't evil, they just didn't believe God would forgive the "corruption of God's image in man with the image of angels." (Compare Gen. 6:9, 11-13)

They believed themselves to be an abomination to God.

Evidently, Christ convinced them because only then could their answer to his preaching be LIKE the Church's answer to His preaching that results in salvation.

 

[Alfred Persson]

You want to be included with the Pharisees? Ok. Your there!

Anti-semitism is unworthy of the Church. Although Christ criticized the traditions of the Pharisees that contradicted God's Word, fact is many early Christians were former Pharisees. They weren't treated by the Apostles as you treat them, their arguments were heard, debated:

5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses."
6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter.
7 And when there had been much dispute (Acts 15:5-7 NKJ)

The Apostle Paul learned Pharisee traditions from Gamaliel, someone all Pharisees respected during the time of Christ:

3 "I am indeed a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, taught according to the strictness of our fathers' law, and was zealous toward God as you all are today. (Acts 22:3 NKJ)

Perhaps you didn't notice, but Paul did what Christ said Pharisees should do, bring out of their Pharisee knowledge, what is treasure:

Then He said to them, "Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old." (Matt. 13:52 NKJ)

Paul wrote much of the NT. Isn't it odd a Pharisee the son of a Pharisee should be Christianity's most prolific theologian, scholar, debater?

Does that fit your disdain of their scriptural beliefs, that Christ likened to treasure?

Evidently, God chose a Pharisee, to bring treasure to His church.

 

[Alfred Persson]

When one reads through the whole bible a few times, the only conclusion is 99% mislead at every given point. The only possibility when it wasnt that high was when the Israelites stood. Jesus himself compared these last days to Noahs day( 99.9% mislead) Luke 17:26---
Jesus teaches--Enter through the narrow gate, for cramped is the road that leads off into life( being saved) FEW are the ones finding it. For broad and spacious the path that leads todestruction, MANY have entered this way.
Its not Gods fault, its lazy mortals fault--His written word to readily available to all--Few bother obeying Jesus who taught--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God--Thus it means one must study the OT-NT over and over, year after year to learn and apply every utterance. Few bother. They let some man who has never seen a single name written in Gods book of life, tell them they are saved so they do little to obey Jesus.

You took that out of context. Christ is talking about the "wicked and evil generation" that refused to travel the narrow path of discipleship. Few of them were saved. It does not follow that also applies to every other generation on earth---those who did not "eat and drink" in Jesus' presence:

23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them,
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
25 "When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying,`Lord, Lord, open for us,' and He will answer and say to you,`I do not know you, where you are from,'
26 "then you will begin to say,`We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.' (Lk. 13:23-26 NKJ)

When speaking of the rest of the earth, its implied billions will be saved, from every part of the planet:

29 "They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. (Lk. 13:29 NKJ)

That fits this revelation to Abraham:

5 Then He brought him outside and said, "Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be." (Gen. 15:5 NKJ)

And this scene John saw:

9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!" (Rev. 7:9-10 NKJ)

Frankly, its grossly inconsistent God would create a near infinite universe, if only a few thousand would be saved.

It does not compute.

Such a large playground implies billions upon billions will be saved.

In fact, that seems to be the purpose of Christ's millennial kingdom, for humans to greatly increase their numbers.

The final test does wipe out many, but one can surround the Holy City with a few million troops, leaving billions upon billions of saved people behind.

 

[keiw1]

You took that out of context. Christ is talking about the "wicked and evil generation" that refused to travel the narrow path of discipleship. Few of them were saved. It does not follow that also applies to every other generation on earth---those who did not "eat and drink" in Jesus' presence:

23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them,
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
25 "When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying,`Lord, Lord, open for us,' and He will answer and say to you,`I do not know you, where you are from,'
26 "then you will begin to say,`We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.' (Lk. 13:23-26 NKJ)

When speaking of the rest of the earth, its implied billions will be saved, from every part of the planet:

29 "They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. (Lk. 13:29 NKJ)

That fits this revelation to Abraham:

5 Then He brought him outside and said, "Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be." (Gen. 15:5 NKJ)

And this scene John saw:

9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!" (Rev. 7:9-10 NKJ)

Frankly, its grossly inconsistent God would create a near infinite universe, if only a few thousand would be saved.

It does not compute.

Such a large playground implies billions upon billions will be saved.

In fact, that seems to be the purpose of Christ's millennial kingdom, for humans to greatly increase their numbers.

The final test does wipe out many, but one can surround the Holy City with a few million troops, leaving billions upon billions of saved people behind.

Much of revelation is symbolism, But we find in rev 16--EVERY kingdom( govt, armies, supporters) will be mislead to stand in opposition to Gods king at Armageddon,( thus it will be worldwide) by 3 inspired expressions from satans side. 3 expressions like 3 9/11,s hitting mortals in their hearts all at once, and for patriotism 99% will fall. Rev 19 shows the results. The millenial reign begins after Armageddon, when satan is abyssed and he has no influence on the earth. Right now Jesus on the throne since Rev 6= the presence.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Much of revelation is symbolism, But we find in rev 16--EVERY kingdom( govt, armies, supporters) will be mislead to stand in opposition to Gods king at Armageddon,( thus it will be worldwide) by 3 inspired expressions from satans side. 3 expressions like 3 9/11,s hitting mortals in their hearts all at once, and for patriotism 99% will fall. Rev 19 shows the results. The millenial reign begins after Armageddon, when satan is abyssed and he has no influence on the earth. Right now Jesus on the throne since Rev 6= the presence.

Close. The "flying frogs" represent the demonically inspired UFO "ancient alien" delusion, preached by the Dragon, False Prophet (head of Anglo-American Union) and the Beast (Head of the revived Grecian Roman Empire).

By redefining Yahweh God as the Leader of a "competing Faction of Extraterrestrials" (changing times and law [Dan. 7:25] casting truth to the ground [Dan. 8:12]) the "frog like Nephilim and Dragon [fallen angels on earth Rev. 12:7-12 claiming to be mankind's extraterrestrial Designers] deceive the entire earth to fight Christ and His angels at Armageddon:

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 "Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame."
16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon. (Rev. 16:13-16 NKJ)

That is the strong delusion that deceives people inwardly, a Satanic energia, spiritism that overwhelms the capacity for critical thinking, replacing it with uncritically following experiences.

This is that "mystery of lawlessness" (2 Th. 2:7-12), the "secret power of spiritism" to inspire rebellion in man against God's law.

All who disobey God's Truth the Bible will be deceived by the miracles signs and wonders they do, which lie by convincing people the Antichrist is Christ, and then that Yahweh God and His angels are just another "race of ancient aliens" who want to prevent humanity from advancing any further.

And the earth will be totally deceived, believing God can be defeated by the combined armies of the Dragon and humanity!

What fools they are.

After God casts down the Dragon's UFO armada, with a thought He rolls back the sky like a sardine can, and suddenly everyone in this matrix will know experientially the Terror of the LORD:

13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind.
14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.
15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains,
16 and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
17 "For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" (Rev. 6:13-17 NKJ)


21 It shall come to pass in that day That the LORD will punish on high the host of exalted ones, And on the earth the kings of the earth.
22 They will be gathered together, As prisoners are gathered in the pit, And will be shut up in the prison; After many days they will be punished. (Isa. 24:21-22 NKJ)

 

[keiw1]

Close. The "flying frogs" represent the demonically inspired UFO "ancient alien" delusion, preached by the Dragon, False Prophet (head of Anglo-American Union) and the Beast (Head of the revived Grecian Roman Empire).

By redefining Yahweh God as the Leader of a "competing Faction of Extraterrestrials" (changing times and law [Dan. 7:25] casting truth to the ground [Dan. 8:12]) the "frog like Nephilim and Dragon [fallen angels on earth Rev. 12:7-12 claiming to be mankind's extraterrestrial Designers] deceive the entire earth to fight Christ and His angels at Armageddon:

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 "Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame."
16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon. (Rev. 16:13-16 NKJ)

That is the strong delusion that deceives people inwardly, a Satanic energia, spiritism that overwhelms the capacity for critical thinking, replacing it with uncritically following experiences.

This is that "mystery of lawlessness" (2 Th. 2:7-12), the "secret power of spiritism" to inspire rebellion in man against God's law.

All who disobey God's Truth the Bible will be deceived by the miracles signs and wonders they do, which lie by convincing people the Antichrist is Christ, and then that Yahweh God and His angels are just another "race of ancient aliens" who want to prevent humanity from advancing any further.

And the earth will be totally deceived, believing God can be defeated by the combined armies of the Dragon and humanity!

What fools they are.

After God casts down the Dragon's UFO armada, with a thought He rolls back the sky like a sardine can, and suddenly everyone in this matrix will know experientially the Terror of the LORD:

13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind.
14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.
15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains,
16 and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
17 "For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" (Rev. 6:13-17 NKJ)


21 It shall come to pass in that day That the LORD will punish on high the host of exalted ones, And on the earth the kings of the earth.
22 They will be gathered together, As prisoners are gathered in the pit, And will be shut up in the prison; After many days they will be punished. (Isa. 24:21-22 NKJ)

Its hard to determine what you are trying to get across.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Its hard to determine what you are trying to get across.

 

[Mister E]

Close. The "flying frogs" represent the demonically inspired UFO "ancient alien" delusion, preached by the Dragon, False Prophet (head of Anglo-American Union) and the Beast (Head of the revived Grecian Roman Empire).

By redefining Yahweh God as the Leader of a "competing Faction of Extraterrestrials" (changing times and law [Dan. 7:25] casting truth to the ground [Dan. 8:12]) the "frog like Nephilim and Dragon [fallen angels on earth Rev. 12:7-12 claiming to be mankind's extraterrestrial Designers] deceive the entire earth to fight Christ and His angels at Armageddon:

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 "Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame."
16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon. (Rev. 16:13-16 NKJ)

That is the strong delusion that deceives people inwardly, a Satanic energia, spiritism that overwhelms the capacity for critical thinking, replacing it with uncritically following experiences.

This is that "mystery of lawlessness" (2 Th. 2:7-12), the "secret power of spiritism" to inspire rebellion in man against God's law.

All who disobey God's Truth the Bible will be deceived by the miracles signs and wonders they do, which lie by convincing people the Antichrist is Christ, and then that Yahweh God and His angels are just another "race of ancient aliens" who want to prevent humanity from advancing any further.

And the earth will be totally deceived, believing God can be defeated by the combined armies of the Dragon and humanity!

What fools they are.

After God casts down the Dragon's UFO armada, with a thought He rolls back the sky like a sardine can, and suddenly everyone in this matrix will know experientially the Terror of the LORD:

13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind.
14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.
15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains,
16 and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
17 "For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" (Rev. 6:13-17 NKJ)


21 It shall come to pass in that day That the LORD will punish on high the host of exalted ones, And on the earth the kings of the earth.
22 They will be gathered together, As prisoners are gathered in the pit, And will be shut up in the prison; After many days they will be punished. (Isa. 24:21-22 NKJ)

In which verse do these frogs take flight? Just curious.