Could you compare and contrast Peter's Ministry and Paul's Ministry?

[Malachi]

Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

It is never wise to take a Scripture out of context. When you look at what is revealed in Matthew 10, it is very clear that this is happening while the Lord Jesus Christ is on earth, and the crucifixion, resurrection, ascension, and exaltation of Christ are yet future.

While Jesus was on earth, He limited His ministry to Israel deliberately (Matt 15:24) because that was His mandate while on earth. Therfore the above Scripture has no bearing on the Church (Jew and Gentile in one Body) whatsover, and all these apostles went out exclusively to Israel at that time (Matt 10:5).

But everything changed after His resurrection (Mt 28:18-20; Mk 16:15-18; Lk 24:45-49), and the limits of the Gospel became "the ends of the earth".

As to Peter's commission (and not all the apostles) see above.

 

[veryberry]

Let's take a good look at Gal 2:7-9 and put this matter to rest:
7But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

1. Paul is making it crystal clear that the Gospel to the Gentiles (uncircumcision) is committed to him, and th Gospel to the Jews (circumcision) is committed to Peter.
2. When Paul calls James, Peter (Cephas) and John "pillars", what he is saying is at the Church in Jerusalem these three men were the spiritual leaders. At the same time Peter had a specific commission, as noted above.
3. It is false to teach that there is one Gospel for the Jews and another one for the Gentiles. Nowhere is the NT will you find this. Peter and Paul preached just ONE GOSPEL.



From Wikipedia (because it is readily accessible)

When you read acts 2, was the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ good news or bad news to the audience that was being spoken to? They seemed to be afraid to me..."oh crap, we killed our messiah". The gospel of the Kingdom and Paul's gospel of grace are different gospels. The gospel Paul reached and the gospel the angel in Rev 14:6, are not the same gospel. Your theory of only one gospel preached in the new testament is...false.

 

[Malachi]

Matthew 16 (The Keys of the Kingdom)
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

There has been a lot of misapplication of this passage, particularly by the Roman Catholic Church. However, when we go to Acts 2:1-41, everything becomes crystal clear. Peter is the one who preaches the Gospel to the Jews in Jerusalem (from every part of the Roman Empire) and brings "about three thousand souls" into the Kingdom of God, on the Day of Pentecost, as prophesied by Christ. He also used his apostolic authority against Simon the Sorcerer, and "bound" him (Acts 8:9-25). Simon the Sorcerer never did repent.

 

[Malachi]

The gospel of the Kingdom and Paul's gospel of grace are different gospels. The gospel Paul reached and the gospel the angel in Rev 14:6, are not the same gospel. Your theory of only one gospel preached in the new testament is...false.

Since there is only One Savior, THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE GOSPEL (Ephesians 4:4-6; 1 Cor 15:1-4)
4There is one body,
and one Spirit,
even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5One Lord,
one faith,
one baptism,
6One God and Father of all,
who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

 

[jasonc]

Willie T go back and read the first couple post. did you notice the bias of futurism? I try not use my amil bias in this stuff but it does show up. funny how the futurist do that.

 

[Malachi]

Willie T go back and read the first couple post. did you notice the bias of futurism? I try not use my amil bias in this stuff but it does show up. funny how the futurist do that.

Jason,

There is no bias as far as the Gospel is concerned. Millenialism or Amillenialism has nothing to do with the nature of the Gospel and the necessity for believers' baptism. So could you show exactly what you mean?

 

[Deborah13]

Repent, simply means "Change of mind". Not turn from sin.

Exodus 32: 12-14

Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people. Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever. And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people

So when God repented, changed His mind, did He go ahead and do what He was going to do or did changing His mind cause Him to change His actions?

 

[for_his_glory]

It is never wise to take a Scripture out of context. When you look at what is revealed in Matthew 10, it is very clear that this is happening while the Lord Jesus Christ is on earth, and the crucifixion, resurrection, ascension, and exaltation of Christ are yet future.

While Jesus was on earth, He limited His ministry to Israel deliberately (Matt 15:24) because that was His mandate while on earth. Therfore the above Scripture has no bearing on the Church (Jew and Gentile in one Body) whatsover, and all these apostles went out exclusively to Israel at that time (Matt 10:5).

But everything changed after His resurrection (Mt 28:18-20; Mk 16:15-18; Lk 24:45-49), and the limits of the Gospel became "the ends of the earth".

As to Peter's commission (and not all the apostles) see above.

Not taking anything out of context.

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Ten Northern Tribes who separated themselves from the house of Israel as Benjamin and Judah are still with the house of Israel is where the Disciples were sent out to find these lost sheep that are scattered abroad even amongst the Gentiles.

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Jer 50:19 And I will bring Israel again to his habitation, and he shall feed on Carmel and Bashan, and his soul shall be satisfied upon mount Ephraim and Gilead.
Jer 50:20 In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.

Jer 50:19,20 The lost ten tribes of Israel are the lost sheep and will be gathered back to God as per Matthew 10:6 as Jesus commands the Disciples to go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

[for_his_glory]

When you read acts 2, was the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ good news or bad news to the audience that was being spoken to? They seemed to be afraid to me..."oh crap, we killed our messiah". The gospel of the Kingdom and Paul's gospel of grace are different gospels. The gospel Paul reached and the gospel the angel in Rev 14:6, are not the same gospel. Your theory of only one gospel preached in the new testament is...false.

It's very simple that it was not two different Gospels being taught, but that of two different messages as in that of the Jews knowing Torah and looking for coming Messiah and the other message given to the Gentiles that never heard Torah or anything of a Messiah. It was good news and bad news as to the Jew who believed it was good news that Messiah came, but to the Gentiles it meant they had to give up their false in order to follow the true God.

 

[for_his_glory]

So when God repented, changed His mind, did He go ahead and do what He was going to do or did changing His mind cause Him to change His actions?

Very well put Deborah13.................... REPENT - change, transform, transfigure, reconsider...............we can surely see that when it repented God that he reconsidered that of what He wanted to do.

 

[gr8grace3]

Repentance (Gk. metanoia) begins with a change of mind, which must lead to a change of heart, a change of behavior, a change of motives, a change of speech, and a change of attitude, a complete change of direction in one's life. The whole person is involved otherwise it is a phony repentance. Because God is the only one who is sinless, for Him it is simply a change of mind. But for sinners, it is a change of direction altogether.

Metanoia is simply a change of Mind,period. And repentance(Metanoia) in salvation is always Metanoia. What gets overlooked is the fact that this verb is a transitive verb. The verb must have an object either stated or implied. When it comes to salvation, the object is always Christ, it is never your mind,heart,behavior,motives,speech,attitude or direction in ones life.

An unbeliever does not believe in the person of Jesus Christ,........ His life,death and resurrection. An unbeliever can change his mind about sin and fight sin until they are blue in the face and still end up in the LoF.

The subject(unbeliever) repents(Metanoia) of who they think the Christ(object) really is.


God is immutable, He does not change his mind.It is called an anthropopathism sp? It ascribes a characteristic to God that he doesn't have so we can better understand what is going on. We may see a policy towards mankind change, but God knows the beginning to the end.

 

[Malachi]

Not taking anything out of context.

As a matter of fact, you are persisting in that below. If it were not for the possibility that your statements might create confusion in the minds of those who may not be that familiar with Scripture, I would let this go. However I am going to address each point.

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Verse 6 makes it very clear that at this time, the apostles were to limit themselves to Israel, which was in fact Judea (if you study their history). Samaria is already excluded at this time, and it was in Samaria that a mixed remnant of the 10 lost tribes was resident (as well as in Assyria, which has no bearing on this). So to bring in the lost tribes into this scene is to do violence to Scripture. The Lord said, “Do not go into Samaria” (at this time), but you are saying the opposite – that He sent them to the lost tribes!

Ten Northern Tribes who separated themselves from the house of Israel as Benjamin and Judah are still with the house of Israel is where the Disciples were sent out to find these lost sheep that are scattered abroad even amongst the Gentiles.

Now you are equating the “lost sheep” of Israel with the “lost tribes” but if that were true, then the Lord would have also sent the apostles into Samaria at this time. He did not, because He was sending the apostles to those of Judah and Benjamin who were resident in Judea.

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

This statement simply reiterates and emphasizes the fact that at this point in history, the Lord and His apostles were limiting their ministry to Israel. This was spoken when the Lord was on the borders of Tyre and Sidon (Gentile territory). At this stage, the Lord would not minister to the Gentiles, but would send His apostles to them after His resurrection.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Here “this fold” is the sheep of Israel, and the “other sheep” are the Gentiles who would be reached after the resurrection and would become a part of the Body of Christ, hence “one fold” (Jew and Gentile in one Body) and one Shepherd. The Jews did not believe that Gentiles could also be within that fold, hence this statement.

Jer 50:19 And I will bring Israel again to his habitation, and he shall feed on Carmel and Bashan, and his soul shall be satisfied upon mount Ephraim and Gilead. Jer 50:20 In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.

Once again, you are taking Scripture out of context. Notice here that the sins of Israel (10 tribes) and Judah (2 tribes) are completely eradicated from sight. Has this happened? Not at all. Modern Israel is in unbelief and Jews do not recognize Christ as Savior (which is the greatest sin of all). So when will this Scripture be fulfilled? In the future after God begins to deal with Israel as a nation, and ultimately Israel is redeemed and restored. This passage points to the Millenium, and beyond, not to the time when Christ was on earth, or even now which is the Church Age.

 

[Malachi]

Metanoia is simply a change of Mind,period.

While that is the literal meaning, Scripture makes it very clear that it is a total change of direction and life. Study Luke 15:11-32; 19:1-19; Acts 8:1-3; 9:1-25.

An unbeliever does not believe in the person of Jesus Christ,........ His life,death and resurrection.

Then what does it mean when Paul said "Believe on THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and thou shalt be saved" (Acts 16:31) and when the Ethiopian said "I believe that JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD" (Acts 8:37), and when Peter said "Thou art THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD" (Matt 16:16)? Each of these statements are about the Person of Christ, without reference to His finished work of redemption (which is equally important). One has to wonder what is being taught these days regarding the true Gospel.

God is immutable, He does not change his mind.

There is no conflict between God's immutablity (the unchangeableness of His essence) and God changing His mind when required. As a matter of fact, we read several times in Scripture that God changed His mind: "And the LORD repented of the evil which He thought to do unto His people" (Exod 32:14). That word "repented" is the Hebrew nacham, which by implication means "to be sorry" or "to repent" (Strong's 5162). This word is used throughout the OT for the repentance of men also, but since the LORD has no sin, it is simply a change of mind on God's part. So why would the Holy Spirit say that YAHWEH repented unless it were literally so? Read the book of Jonah. Something happened to change God's mind about Nineveh.

 

[gr8grace3]

While that is the literal meaning, Scripture makes it very clear that it is a total change of direction and life. Study Luke 15:11-32; 19:1-19; Acts 8:1-3; 9:1-25.


Then what does it mean when Paul said "Believe on THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and thou shalt be saved" (Acts 16:31) and when the Ethiopian said "I believe that JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD" (Acts 8:37), and when Peter said "Thou art THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD" (Matt 16:16)? Each of these statements are about the Person of Christ, without reference to His finished work of redemption (which is equally important). One has to wonder what is being taught these days regarding the true Gospel.


There is no conflict between God's immutablity (the unchangeableness of His essence) and God changing His mind when required. As a matter of fact, we read several times in Scripture that God changed His mind: "And the LORD repented of the evil which He thought to do unto His people" (Exod 32:14). That word "repented" is the Hebrew nacham, which by implication means "to be sorry" or "to repent" (Strong's 5162). This word is used throughout the OT for the repentance of men also, but since the LORD has no sin, it is simply a change of mind on God's part. So why would the Holy Spirit say that YAHWEH repented unless it were literally so? Read the book of Jonah. Something happened to change God's mind about Nineveh.

I will stick with the literal meaning, and Scripture makes it very clear that some(I say most) will NOT have a total change of direction and Life. If we WOULD, why even give directions on HOW to change our lives and direction? Your volition, that is why. Some make the choice not to change and some do make the choice to change.

Ok, So we SURPRISED God And He had to do a double take and change His immutable mind? There wasn't different directions and consequences set up for men. God had no idea what men would do so He had to change His mind and quickly come up with a different scenario.

He thought He had the right idea, but He was wrong and had to change His mind? Nuts.

 

[Malachi]

He thought He had the right idea, but He was wrong and had to change His mind? Nuts.

That's really not the way to understand why God changes His mind. To get a good grasp on this one should read Genesis 18:17-33. Even though God knew the outcome in advance, He was willing to consider Abraham's intercession and "change His mind" about His judgment on Sodom and Gomorrah. The same applies to the dealings of Christ with the pleadings of the Syrophenecian woman (Mt 15:21-28).

As to the repentance of sinners, it is initially a conscious decision to turn away from sins and idols (Acts 9:6) followed by a change of life and direction (Acts 9:20-22). That is genuine repentance.