"David" a man after "GODS OWN HEART"

[Mitspa]

We don't abide in the sub atomic particles called photons... neither God is a feeling of hormonal or enzyme changes - Such statements makes God a non living thing.

The thread is about David a man after God's own heart not about David's heart.

My point being, "not love".

(Ps 139:22a) I hate them with perfect hatred;

Well glad you have an opinion
most people do!

God is "love" and if you do not know that?

1Jn 4:7



Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jn 4:8



He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jn 4:9



In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jn 4:10



Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
1Jn 4:11



Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
1Jn 4:12



No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


For many will come to Him on that Day and say "did we not do great things in your Name"? He will say "depart from me you who do not LOVE"!

 

[felix]

Well glad you have an opinion
most people do!

God is "love" and if you do not know that?

1Jn 4:7



Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jn 4:8



He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jn 4:9



In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jn 4:10



Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
1Jn 4:11



Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
1Jn 4:12



No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


For many will come to Him on that Day and say "did we not do great things in your Name"? He will say "depart from me you who do not LOVE"!

Ok, you now project as if I reject loving God or God is loving.

Let me clarify, I reject "God is love" where "love" being noun and equating God to just an emotion. My native translations nor do some languages allow a verb to be used as a noun. If it does exist as a noun, you must understand all the authors's mother tongue is Aramaic - not Greek or Hebrew.

What you are trying to do is, you are reading an essay in English and interpreting it word for word as if it is written by native English speakers. But the reality is, Greek was the common language used in those days just like English and French today.

(1John 4:8) He who does not love (verb) does not know God, for God is love (noun).

 

[Mitspa]

Ok, you now project as if I reject loving God or God is loving.

Let me clarify, I reject "God is love" where "love" being noun and equating God to just an emotion. My native translations nor do some languages allow a verb to be used as a noun. If it does exist as a noun, you must understand all the authors's mother tongue is Aramaic - not Greek or Hebrew.

What you are trying to do is, you are reading an essay in English and interpreting it word for word as if it is written by native English speakers. But the reality is, Greek was the common language used in those days just like English and French today.

(1John 4:8) He who does not love (verb) does not know God, for God is love (noun).

I have already went over this point? what is your issue? I am very aware of the Greek and how it translates into the English! You on the other hand attempted to twist the clear reading of the scipture, while at the same time holding that you have a understanding of David, and Gods light? which would never allow such darkness as "twisting the scriptures"! Now what is your point? you seem to agree only to disagree?

God is "love" those who deny this, and do no love, do not know God!

1Jn 4:7



Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jn 4:8



He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jn 4:9



In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jn 4:10



Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
1Jn 4:11



Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
1Jn 4:12



No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


For many will come to Him on that Day and say "did we not do great things in your Name"? He will say "depart from me you who do not LOVE"!

 

[felix]

I have already went over this point? what is your issue? I am very aware of the Greek and how it translates into the English! You on the other hand attempted to twist the clear reading of the scipture, while at the same time holding that you have a understanding of David, and Gods light? which would never allow such darkness as "twisting the scriptures"! Now what is your point? you seem to agree only to disagree?

God is "love" those who deny this, and do no love, do not know God!

1Jn 4:7



Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jn 4:8



He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jn 4:9



In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jn 4:10



Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
1Jn 4:11



Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
1Jn 4:12



No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


For many will come to Him on that Day and say "did we not do great things in your Name"? He will say "depart from me you who do not LOVE"!

My point being simple: God is not a feeling or emotion.

I don't need Greek or Hebrew to understand this.

 

[jasoncran]

yes but if God dwelleth in us and we let HIM what he feels about sin or sinner will shine forth. we will eschew evil and love sinners more.

 

[Mitspa]

My point being simple: God is not a feeling or emotion.

I don't need Greek or Hebrew to understand this.

Who said God is a feeling or an emotion? Nobody!

God descibes Himself as "love"

I believe Him!

 

[felix]

Who said God is a feeling or an emotion? Nobody!

Agree!

God descibes Himself as "love"

To be accurate, it was John who is describing about God and yes, I believe it is inspired by God and I don't dispute on it.

However, this is something that must be carefully understood from the context. God is not love, but His loving nature towards His body i.e, believers (mentioned as "us" in the verses above and chapter). If God is "love", then I would dispute His loving nature by Christ's own words and His actions of feeding the birds with human flesh (Rev 19:17-18), cursing cities and towns (Luke 10:13), making the body feed with worms (Acts 12:23), destroying fornicators (1Cor 3:16-17), hating people like Easu (Rom 9:13), killing children of the church (Rev 2:21-23), vomiting name Christians (Rev 3:15-16).

Hence, "God is love" translation or how it is now understood in English, equating God Himself as love, loses the actual meaning intended by John.

(1John 4:16-17) And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him. Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.

 

[Deborah13]

My point being simple: God is not a feeling or emotion.

I don't need Greek or Hebrew to understand this.

Paul tells us very clearing what God's perfect love is. Charity=Love=GK Agape
1 Corinthians 13

King James Version (KJV)

13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

John 11:35
Jesus wept.

 

[felix]

Paul tells us very clearing what God's perfect love is. Charity=Love=GK Agape
1 Corinthians 13

King James Version (KJV)

13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

I am not disputing God's love and the importance of it in the New Covenant.

However, there is a difference at least in English when you say "God is love" and "God's love".

Other verses like God is light represents the spiritual aspect of it, i.e., showing us the path of righteousness (as the verses I had mentioned in other post).

However, love is not a spiritual reference but the actual reference of "loving one another" and His nature of loving us while we were still sinners. It is well understood for any reader that John is speaking about "God's love" and not equating "love" to "God" or "God" to "love".

If that is so, interchanging "love" and "God" on other passages distorts the integrity of Scriptures. Neither love is God nor God is love but God is loving for believers.

 

[Mitspa]

I am not disputing God's love and the importance of it in the New Covenant.

However, there is a difference at least in English when you say "God is love" and "God's love".

Other verses like God is light represents the spiritual aspect of it, i.e., showing us the path of righteousness (as the verses I had mentioned in other post).

However, love is not a spiritual reference but the actual reference of "loving one another" and His nature of loving us while we were still sinners. It is well understood for any reader that John is speaking about "God's love" and not equating "love" to "God" or "God" to "love".

If that is so, interchanging "love" and "God" on other passages distorts the integrity of Scriptures. Neither love is God nor God is love but God is loving for believers.

Well your just wrong the Greek reads;

1Jn 4:8


ὁ μὴ ἀγαπῶν οὐκ ἔγνω τὸν Θεόν, ὅτι ὁ Θεὸς ἀγάπη ἐστίν.
(Theos agape estin)

God love is

"estin"
Third person singular present indicative of
he (she or it) is;

"God is love"
"God is light"


My friend, there is no debate in ANY translation.

 

[felix]

Well your just wrong the Greek reads;

1Jn 4:8


ὁ μὴ ἀγαπῶν οὐκ ἔγνω τὸν Θεόν, ὅτι ὁ Θεὸς ἀγάπη ἐστίν.
(Theos agape estin)

God love is

"estin"
Third person singular present indicative of
he (she or it) is;

"God is love"
"God is light"


My friend, there is no debate in ANY translation.

I know, I am not disputing the noun used for the word love in "God is love".

However, there must be other facts you must consider: not taking the letter but the spirit of it (as Paul used to describe the letter and spirit of the law as in Rom 2:29)

 

[Mitspa]

I know, I am not disputing the noun used for the word love in "God is love".

However, there must be other facts you must consider: not taking the letter but the spirit of it (as Paul used to describe the letter and spirit of the law as in Rom 2:29)

Well here is the "spirit" of it!



Rom 8:9

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Rom 8:15

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Rom 8:39

Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.



God is Love! He sheds His love abroad in our hearts by His Holy Spirit. If you do not have the witness of His Love, you can not know Him! nor can you understand that HE IS LOVE!

 

[felix]

Well here is the "spirit" of it!



Rom 8:9

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Rom 8:15

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Rom 8:39

Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.



God is Love! He sheds His love abroad in our hearts by His Holy Spirit. If you do not have the witness of His Love, you can not know Him! nor can you understand that HE IS LOVE!

If a person does an action, will the person become an action?

 

[Mitspa]

If a person does an action, will the person become an action?

If one has the "Spirit" of God who is "love"? and one loves with the "love" that is "Shed abroad in their hearts" YES in action and purpose we have become united with God, and act as He is.



Joh 15:9

As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
Joh 15:10

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Joh 15:11

These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
Joh 15:12

This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.


This is all the law! every commandment of God is kept by loving with His Love!

 

[John 8:32]

I find this discussion interesting from several aspects, one of which is everyone seems to be quoting New Testament scripture about the heart of David. Just read the Psalms and you will see the heart of David, the same heart that God says is after His heart.

 

[felix]

If one has the "Spirit" of God who is "love"? and one loves with the "love" that is "Shed abroad in their hearts" YES in action and purpose we have become united with God, and act as He is.



Joh 15:9

As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
Joh 15:10

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Joh 15:11

These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
Joh 15:12

This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.


This is all the law! every commandment of God is kept by loving with His Love!

If God is love, then no other can be love. Only that originates from Him is love. Just like the Father.

(Matt 23:9) Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.

 

[Mitspa]

If God is love, then no other can be love. Only that originates from Him is love. Just like the Father.

(Matt 23:9) Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.

read it again!

If one has the "Spirit" of God who is "love"? and one loves with the "love" that is "Shed abroad in their hearts" YES in action and purpose we have become united with God, and act as He is.



Joh 15:9

As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
Joh 15:10

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Joh 15:11

These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, andthatyour joy might be full.
Joh 15:12

This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.


This time try not to think with your mind, but with your heart!

 

[Mitspa]

I find this discussion interesting from several aspects, one of which is everyone seems to be quoting New Testament scripture about the heart of David. Just read the Psalms and you will see the heart of David, the same heart that God says is after His heart.

Well I think my friend "felix" has interrupted the thread. If you will look back, the conversation has all been drawn from the Psalms into our own relationship with God. Which I believe is the correct use of the Psalms for us today. I believe David represents to us several NT truths? First he is clearly a "picture of the coming King", Our Beloved Christ!

Also I believe David represents the "New Creation" man, "the spiritual man" of the New Covenant

 

[felix]

read it again!

If one has the "Spirit" of God who is "love"? and one loves with the "love" that is "Shed abroad in their hearts" YES in action and purpose we have become united with God, and act as He is.



Joh 15:9

As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
Joh 15:10

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Joh 15:11

These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, andthatyour joy might be full.
Joh 15:12

This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.


This time try not to think with your mind, but with your heart!

I think I understood. The problem is, we define what is love and try to equate it to God and His love. But in reality, He is love and scripture defined Him to be love, then no other can be love except that we show to others through Him because of Him who abides in us.

 

[Mitspa]

I think I understood. The problem is, we define what is love and try to equate it to God and His love. But in reality, He is love and scripture defined Him to be love, then no other can be love except that we show to others through Him because of Him who abides in us.

We seem to agree?

God bless and may you Know His Love for you, and love others as He loves you! "Felix"

Your friend- Mitspa