"David" a man after "GODS OWN HEART"

[Mitspa]

As I said - how does your theology gell with Jesus saying that no one is good except God?

And please don't quote scripture - anyone can do that.

Ha! HA LoL! I think the devil loves it when we fail to stay in the scriptures! Even the Lord Himself did not stray from "it is written"
No! I will stay with Christ and His Word!

You can call it theology or what ever you like?
your opinion is your own, and I am sure you are very happy with it?

 

[wayseer]

Ha! HA LoL! I think the devil loves it when we fail to stay in the scriptures! Even the Lord Himself did not stray from "it is written"
No! I will stay with Christ and His Word!

You can call it theology or what ever you like?
your opinion is your own, and I am sure you are very happy with it?

Stop ducking the obvious.

If Jesus said only God is good where does that leave any of us?

If you are going to use scripture you have to use all of it - not just the bits that appeal to you.

 

[Mitspa]

Stop ducking the obvious.

If Jesus said only God is good where does that leave any of us?

If you are going to use scripture you have to use all of it - not just the bits that appeal to you.

Not sure how the scriptures can be wrong? you mat believe whatever you like, I believe Gods Word!


2Co 5:21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

I am nothing of myself, but in Him I am Righteous!


Php 3:9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

 

[Mitspa]

Psa 23:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
Psa 23:2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
Psa 23:3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Psa 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Psa 23:5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Psa 23:6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

At The Lords Table, we see those who are His and those who are not?
For those who know Him, His mercy and Goodness are the bread of Life!
For those who have hearts as Judas, the Lords table, His Word and Gospel, become a snare unto them. For here is where they all betray Him.

Joh 13:25 He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?
Joh 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
Joh 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
Joh 13:28 Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him.

"John" knew and "David" knew? We who know His Love, can see who the betrayers are!
For when they come to His table, thier true hearts are revealed!

Isa 55:1


Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Isa 55:2

Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labor for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
Isa 55:3

Incline your ear, and come unto me; hear, and your soul shall live: and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.


The Lord sets a table of mercy for those who are hungry for mercy?

David had a heart that rejoiced in Gods goodness! An honest man will see their need for mercy, a man in pride thinks himself able in his own strength.

How great will that Day of judgment be? The humble will be given all things!
But those in pride, will have wished they had never been born!

 

[farouk]

Isa 55:1


Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Isa 55:2

Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labor for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
Isa 55:3

Incline your ear, and come unto me; hear, and your soul shall live: and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.


The Lord sets a table of mercy for those who are hungry for mercy?

David had a heart that rejoiced in Gods goodness! An honest man will see their need for mercy, a man in pride thinks himself able in his own strength.

How great will that Day of judgment be? The humble will be given all things!
But those in pride, will have wished they had never been born!

Yes, there's an interesting reference to the 'sure mercies of David'.

He was the Psalmist whose thoughts were so greatly influenced by God, in communion with Him.

 

[Mitspa]

Yes, there's an interesting reference to the 'sure mercies of David'.

He was the Psalmist whose thoughts were so greatly influenced by God, in communion with Him.

The Lord showed David the "mercy seat" I believe.
Davids relationship with God was based upon Gods Mercy?
A sure mercy! always there for those who love mercy.

Col 2:6

As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Col 2:7

Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Col 2:8

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

I often think of this scripture when I fail? I came to Him in weakness looking for His Mercy.
I find He is always the same. I have failed many times, yet His Mercy for me is sure!
I also found that by His sure mercy, that fear of failure lost its power over me.
I know now that He is the strength of my life, that I need not fear but only trust in Him!

The strength of sin and failure, is found is mans attempts to earn Gods mercy?
The strength of His Mercy is the power over my sin and failure! -Mitspa

 

[John 8:32]

As I said - how does your theology gell with Jesus saying that no one is good except God?

And please don't quote scripture - anyone can do that.

What do you want, just make something up? Scripture is the ONLY bonafide authority on the matter.

 

[wayseer]

What do you want, just make something up? Scripture is the ONLY bonafide authority on the matter.

What do I want? I would like people to address the issue rather than duck the inconvenient truth.

If only God is 'good' how does that leave the rest of us? What does that say about David? If David is 'after God's heart' in what way does he demonstrate those attributes?

 

[Mitspa]

What do I want? I would like people to address the issue rather than duck the inconvenient truth.

If only God is 'good' how does that leave the rest of us? What does that say about David? If David is 'after God's heart' in what way does he demonstrate those attributes?

I have made that point several times on this thread. That David looked to God, not to himself.
Just like we all must do!

If you can see that point, in this post? Then I doubt you are trying to see anything but how to confuse what you reject, Gods Mercy!

The Lord showed David the "mercy seat" I believe.
Davids relationship with God was based upon Gods Mercy?
A sure mercy! always there for those who love mercy.

Col 2:6

As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Col 2:7

Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Col 2:8

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

I often think of this scripture when I fail? I came to Him in weakness looking for His Mercy.
I find He is always the same. I have failed many times, yet His Mercy for me is sure!
I also found that by His sure mercy, that fear of failure lost its power over me.
I know now that He is the strength of my life, that I need not fear but only trust in Him!

The strength of sin and failure, is found is mans attempts to earn Gods mercy?
The strength of His Mercy is the power over my sin and failure! -Mitspa

 

[wayseer]

I have made that point several times on this thread. That David looked to God, not to himself.
Just like we all must do!

That is not the point that I am challenging. What I am challenging is your claim that David was righteous because of faith. We are not righteous because of anything we have done - even our faith is contaminated. We are righteous because we have accepted God's grace in that while we yet sinners he had mercy upon us.

David was just as screwed us as the rest of us. But even in our screwed up state we and made righteous by God - but not by anything we might have done.

To suggest that anything we might do has a bearing on our righteousness is spiritual arrogance.

Your poem is beautiful and is better theology than your argument.

 

[Mitspa]

That is not the point that I am challenging. What I am challenging is your claim that David was righteous because of faith.

Rom 4:6



Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7



Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8



Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Rom 4:9



Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

Are you sure you have ever read the Book?

 

[wayseer]

Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works

Good - now please read all of it.

We are made righteous - how - through grace. Read on through to 5: 2, 'through whom we have obtain access to this grace in which we stand ...'

Paul's argument is in past times Grace came as an act of righteous through faith - but only a few could achieve such a heady level of spiritual endeavour.

But none of this has anything to with being 'good' - which is my point.

The point where I came in was post #74 and the rather bold statement that 'a "righteous man" lives by every Word that proceeds from the Mouth of God'.

I suggested than none of us are righteous to which I was referred to David being 'righteous of faith' - whatever that may mean. I then asked how such a statement gells with Jesus saying none are good except God. My point was, and is, the simplistic interpretation of one passage of scripture is contradicted by another.

In other words, simply quoting scripture does not actually achieve anything - which was my original point back in post #54.

It's simple really - if you are going to promote David as the ideal you also have to deal with Jesus.

 

[Mitspa]

Good - now please read all of it.

We are made righteous - how - through grace. Read on through to 5: 2, 'through whom we have obtain access to this grace in which we stand ...'

Paul's argument is in past times Grace came as an act of righteous through faith - but only a few could achieve such a heady level of spiritual endeavour.

But none of this has anything to with being 'good' - which is my point.

The point where I came in was post #74 and the rather bold statement that 'a "righteous man" lives by every Word that proceeds from the Mouth of God'.

I suggested than none of us are righteous to which I was referred to David being 'righteous of faith' - whatever that may mean. I then asked how such a statement gells with Jesus saying none are good except God. My point was, and is, the simplistic interpretation of one passage of scripture is contradicted by another.

In other words, simply quoting scripture does not actually achieve anything - which was my original point back in post #54.

It's simple really - if you are going to promote David as the ideal you also have to deal with Jesus.

Well again I suggest you do some more reading of scripture! the promise of "Righteousness" by faith is to all who "believe"!

Rom 10:9

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11

For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12

For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Let me guess? your next point? The scriptures dont really mean what they say!

Again you can believe what ever you like, I will believe the Word of God!

By the way I would ask you, the question Paul ask all those who are in sin and unbelief!

Know ye not that the Spirit of Gods lives in you?
If you dont? You have bigger issues than what I am posting on this thread!
I suggest you turn to those issues!

 

[wayseer]

Quoting scripture does not solve the issue - I can quote any amount of scripture than indicates that we are made right with God. But, how do you reconcile the words of Jesus when he says none are good except God? Apparently we are not 'good'. That's my point. Do you select what you like to believe?

 

[Mitspa]

Quoting scripture does not solve the issue - I can quote any amount of scripture than indicates that we are made right with God. But, how do you reconcile the words of Jesus when he says none are good except God? Apparently we are not 'good'. That's my point. Do you select what you like to believe?

We are saved by faith in His Word, of course i will ouote scripture! What else ?I am not good, thats why I have a Savior! I

 

[Mitspa]

Rom 4:6



Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7



Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8



Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Rom 4:9



Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

Blessed is the man in whom the Lord will not impute sin?

David had the greatest of relationships with God, but he had nothing compared to what we have?

"For he who is least in the Kingdom we have is greater than David!

 

[Mitspa]

If one has the "Spirit" of God who is "love"? and one loves with the "love" that is "Shed abroad in their hearts" YES in action and purpose we have become united with God, and act as He is.



Joh 15:9

As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
Joh 15:10

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Joh 15:11

These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
Joh 15:12

This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.


This is all the law! every commandment of God is kept by loving with His Love!

There are many motives of heart in men? Some men serve God from fear and religious obligation. These were Old testament concepts "a spirit of bondage again to fear"

David was chosen by God because of his heart? He served God from the motive of love! We see that David was a type of Christ that would bring in the "Royal Law". This law is the commandment of Christ, "Love one another as I have loved you"

The Royal Law is for those who are sons of God!

"Come unto Me, all ye who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"

 

[John 8:32]

That is not the point that I am challenging. What I am challenging is your claim that David was righteous because of faith. We are not righteous because of anything we have done - even our faith is contaminated. We are righteous because we have accepted God's grace in that while we yet sinners he had mercy upon us.

Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

Says here Abraham was righteous because of something he did...

What was God's opinion of Abraham?

Gen 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

One thing of which was the promise of Christ...

Gen 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Hmmm, because Abraham obeyed God.

David was just as screwed us as the rest of us. But even in our screwed up state we and made righteous by God - but not by anything we might have done.

To suggest that anything we might do has a bearing on our righteousness is spiritual arrogance.

To suggest that anything we might do is of no consequence spiritually is without a doubt, the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

Your poem is beautiful and is better theology than your argument.

 

[Mitspa]

Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

Says here Abraham was righteous because of something he did...

What was God's opinion of Abraham?

Gen 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

One thing of which was the promise of Christ...

Gen 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Hmmm, because Abraham obeyed God.



To suggest that anything we might do is of no consequence spiritually is without a doubt, the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

Yes Abraham obeyed God BY FAITH, long before the law, He believed God and acted according to faith.

If Abraham is justified apart from the law, how much more are we who have the gospel?

As a man BELIEVES in his heart, so is he!

I think right therefore I believe right therefore I act right!

See God made man and He Knows that if a man believes right he needs no law, but a faithless man is a lawless man. No matter how many rules he pretends to keep.

 

[Mitspa]

Act 13:22

And when he had removed him, he raised up David to be their king; to whom also he bare witness and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My heart, who shall do all My will.


David (well-beloved, dear)

I have some ideas about why God "elected" David, I do think his name gives a strong clue. For God is Love and to have a heart for God, one would and must desire to be loved.

I think John uses the term "the disciple whom Jesus loved" in speaking of "himself"? Is there a hidden strength in David and John? For when all the others left the Lord at His Cross, only John remained, and was not afraid!

1Jn 4:17

Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
1Jn 4:18

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
1Jn 4:19

We love him, because he first loved us.

Only John was able to stand on that great and terrible day!

Who was this young keeper of sheep? Who God raised up and anointed to be King!

The eyes of the Lord go to and fro upon the whole face of the earth, looking for those that He might show Himself strong, on their behalf!

For He calls the weak to confound the strong! The simple to make foolish the wise! He makes the light shine out of darkness!

If any man thinks he knows anything? Let him admit he knows nothing yet as he should know!

The key to great wisdom is found in being as a fool!