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Day of the Lord

Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

The end of what?

The same end as seen here:

{14} "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:14 (NASB)

and here:

{39} and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. {40} "So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. Matthew 13:39-40 (NASB)

and here:

{49} "So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, Matthew 13:49 (NASB)

and here:


{24} then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15:24 (NASB)


and here:


{7} The end of all things is near; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer. 1 Peter 4:7 (NASB)

The "end", when seen in context, refers to the end of the age of the Law and the end of the Temple as the center and representation of God's kingdom here on earth. We are all God's temple now.
 
Paul stated that we would not all sleep(die)but we would all be changed, at the 7th trump,question needs to be answered if the 7th trump sounded why are people still dying?


Still no answer for this question...........
 
Paul stated that we would not all sleep(die)but we would all be changed, at the 7th trump,question needs to be answered if the 7th trump sounded why are people still dying?


Still no answer for this question...........

Because that was not the purpose of the 7th trump! Look again!

{7} but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets. Revelation 10:7 (NASB)

What's the "mystery of God?"

{1} For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles— {2} if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God's grace which was given to me for you; {3} that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief. {4} By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, {5} which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit; {6} to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel, {7} of which I was made a minister, according to the gift of God's grace which was given to me according to the working of His power. Ephesians 3:1-7 (NASB)

The mystery of God in ages past was that one day Gentiles would be fellow citizens in the kingdom of God and joint heirs with Christ!!!

{15} Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever." Revelation 11:15 (NASB)

The sounding of the seventh (final) trump signified that the kingdom "of the world" - having once belonged to the Jews - now belonged to Christ and His reign would be forever!!!

Until you study this for yourself and fully understand the implications of these passages, you will never realize what the New Testament is all about.
 
Because that was not the purpose of the 7th trump! Look again!

{7} but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets. Revelation 10:7 (NASB)

What's the "mystery of God?"

{1} For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles— {2} if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God's grace which was given to me for you; {3} that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief. {4} By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, {5} which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit; {6} to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel, {7} of which I was made a minister, according to the gift of God's grace which was given to me according to the working of His power. Ephesians 3:1-7 (NASB)

The mystery of God in ages past was that one day Gentiles would be fellow citizens in the kingdom of God and joint heirs with Christ!!!

{15} Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever." Revelation 11:15 (NASB)

The sounding of the seventh (final) trump signified that the kingdom "of the world" - having once belonged to the Jews - now belonged to Christ and His reign would be forever!!!

Until you study this for yourself and fully understand the implications of these passages, you will never realize what the New Testament is all about.

That still didn't answer the question,I know what happens at the last trump,however you fail to tell me,why are people still dying,it's no way you can spiritulize it away........

Paul said,not ALL will sleep(die),so since people are still dying it's impossible for this to have occured already..........Period.......
 
That still didn't answer the question,I know what happens at the last trump,however you fail to tell me,why are people still dying,it's no way you can spiritulize it away........

Paul said,not ALL will sleep(die),so since people are still dying it's impossible for this to have occured already..........Period.......

You keep asking the same question about "death" The Resurrection was spiritual for the living. They were resurrected from sin & death which was the Law.

From my link in Rev.20:4-6 thread:
It’s so important to note that the redemption of the body has everything to do with redemption from servitude under the Law, the home of “the sin†and “the deathâ€. This is resurrection from “the deathâ€! No wonder Paul could cry out that the resurrection would occur…

1 Cor 15:54-56 YLT and when this corruptible may have put on incorruption, and this mortal may have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the word that hath been written, `The Death was swallowed up--to victory; (55) where, O Death, thy sting? where, O Hades, thy victory?' (56) and the sting of the death is the sin, and the power of the sin the law;

It could not be any clearer, when seen in the correct context, that the redemption of “the bodyâ€, i.e. the setting free “from corruptionâ€, that Paul was looking forward to, would not occur when he finally died a biological death and escaped his biological tomb, but would occur when the sting of “the death†is taken away, when its power is taken away, which is none other than THE LAW! The sting of “the death†is “the sin†of Adam, which was made utterly powerful by the Law of Moses, which was completely taken away at the parousia of Christ in 70 AD, completely fulfilling all the Law and Prophets. This irrefutably proves that the “redemption of the body†that Paul keeps referring to happened at the end of the old covenant, the complete fulfillment of everything to which the Law and the Prophets looked forward, the hope of Israel! When “the law†was taken fully out of the way, then “the death†was fully taken away for those in Christ to whom Paul wrote.
Since this happened at the parousia in 70 AD, this must require a definition of “the death†as sin-death or spiritual death, not biological death, for two reasons: (1) clearly biological death did not cease for the believer at the parousia, since all men still die that death, even though the Scriptures clearly teach that “the death†would be taken away at the parousia; and (2) the prophets clearly teach that “the death†that Israel hoped to be resurrected from was “sin deathâ€, from violation of the covenant, bringing upon them the death of Adam. Notice what the prophet Hosea said concerning Israel, death, and resurrection:

Hos 6:7 YLT And they, as Adam, transgressed a covenant, There they dealt treacherously against me.
Hos 13:1-3 YLT When Ephraim speaketh tremblingly, He hath been lifted up in Israel, When he becometh guilty in Baal he dieth. (2) And now do they add to sin, And make to them a molten image of their silver, By their own understanding--idols, A work of artisans--all of it, Of them they say, who are sacrificers among men, `The calves let them kiss.' (3) Therefore they are as a cloud of the morning, And as dew, rising early, going away, As chaff tossed about out of a floor, And as smoke out of a window.
Israel’s sin, their idolatry, was a violation of the covenant, and brought the death of Adam. This death was not a biological death, it was sin-death, and would result in their “exile†from “the landâ€. But there was hope for Israel:

Hos 13:12-14 YLT Bound up is the iniquity of Ephraim, Hidden is his sin, (13) Pangs of a travailing woman come to him, He is a son not wise, For he remaineth not the time for the breaking forth of sons. (14) From the hand of Sheol I do ransom them, From death I redeem them, Where is thy plague, O death? Where thy destruction, O Sheol? Repentance is hid from Mine eyes.

 
You keep asking the same question about "death" The Resurrection was spiritual for the living. They were resurrected from sin & death which was the Law.

From my link in Rev.20:4-6 thread:
It’s so important to note that the redemption of the body has everything to do with redemption from servitude under the Law, the home of “the sin” and “the death”. This is resurrection from “the death”! No wonder Paul could cry out that the resurrection would occur…

1 Cor 15:54-56 YLT and when this corruptible may have put on incorruption, and this mortal may have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the word that hath been written, `The Death was swallowed up--to victory; (55) where, O Death, thy sting? where, O Hades, thy victory?' (56) and the sting of the death is the sin, and the power of the sin the law;

It could not be any clearer, when seen in the correct context, that the redemption of “the body”, i.e. the setting free “from corruption”, that Paul was looking forward to, would not occur when he finally died a biological death and escaped his biological tomb, but would occur when the sting of “the death” is taken away, when its power is taken away, which is none other than THE LAW! The sting of “the death” is “the sin” of Adam, which was made utterly powerful by the Law of Moses, which was completely taken away at the parousia of Christ in 70 AD, completely fulfilling all the Law and Prophets. This irrefutably proves that the “redemption of the body” that Paul keeps referring to happened at the end of the old covenant, the complete fulfillment of everything to which the Law and the Prophets looked forward, the hope of Israel! When “the law” was taken fully out of the way, then “the death” was fully taken away for those in Christ to whom Paul wrote.
Since this happened at the parousia in 70 AD, this must require a definition of “the death” as sin-death or spiritual death, not biological death, for two reasons: (1) clearly biological death did not cease for the believer at the parousia, since all men still die that death, even though the Scriptures clearly teach that “the death” would be taken away at the parousia; and (2) the prophets clearly teach that “the death” that Israel hoped to be resurrected from was “sin death”, from violation of the covenant, bringing upon them the death of Adam. Notice what the prophet Hosea said concerning Israel, death, and resurrection:

Hos 6:7 YLT And they, as Adam, transgressed a covenant, There they dealt treacherously against me.
Hos 13:1-3 YLT When Ephraim speaketh tremblingly, He hath been lifted up in Israel, When he becometh guilty in Baal he dieth. (2) And now do they add to sin, And make to them a molten image of their silver, By their own understanding--idols, A work of artisans--all of it, Of them they say, who are sacrificers among men, `The calves let them kiss.' (3) Therefore they are as a cloud of the morning, And as dew, rising early, going away, As chaff tossed about out of a floor, And as smoke out of a window.
Israel’s sin, their idolatry, was a violation of the covenant, and brought the death of Adam. This death was not a biological death, it was sin-death, and would result in their “exile” from “the land”. But there was hope for Israel:

Hos 13:12-14 YLT Bound up is the iniquity of Ephraim, Hidden is his sin, (13) Pangs of a travailing woman come to him, He is a son not wise, For he remaineth not the time for the breaking forth of sons. (14) From the hand of Sheol I do ransom them, From death I redeem them, Where is thy plague, O death? Where thy destruction, O Sheol? Repentance is hid from Mine eyes.


Paul is not talking about a spiritual sleep(death)as he would not have made the below comment....

2 Corinthians 5:6
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:


2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Paul is stating that,we shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed,he could not have been talking about a spiritual death because in Christ,you won't die.....He is talking about the change from flesh to spirit.....
 
I guess I have to repeat myself.
Paul is speaking about 2 different "deaths" in 2 Cor.4:16-5:5 than in 1 Cor.15.

Notice how there is no sci-fi inspired mention of a "rapture in 2 Cor.4:16-5:5?

That's bc Paul is not talking about dying to the Law & being raised in the Spirit & life which is Christ.

Paul speaks about the physical flesh in 2 Cor. being laid down & then going onto be with the Lord in heaven. This happens to all. Every generation, every man's flesh returns to dust & what God does with the spirit of that man, is God's judgment.

Don't be afraid to die. Christians have a better hope than the heathen, so don't worry about any so called generation of ppl who will be "raptured" & not die, bc it hasn't ever happened, & it won't happen ever!

It is appointed for men to die once. Christ died, so don't be afraid.
Keep the faith!
 
I guess I have to repeat myself.
Paul is speaking about 2 different "deaths" in 2 Cor.4:16-5:5 than in 1 Cor.15.

Notice how there is no sci-fi inspired mention of a "rapture in 2 Cor.4:16-5:5?

That's bc Paul is not talking about dying to the Law & being raised in the Spirit & life which is Christ.

Paul speaks about the physical flesh in 2 Cor. being laid down & then going onto be with the Lord in heaven. This happens to all. Every generation, every man's flesh returns to dust & what God does with the spirit of that man, is God's judgment.

Don't be afraid to die. Christians have a better hope than the heathen, so don't worry about any so called generation of ppl who will be "raptured" & not die, bc it hasn't ever happened, & it won't happen ever!

It is appointed for men to die once. Christ died, so don't be afraid.
Keep the faith!

Again,I don't believe in a rapture

Yes Paul is talking about a physical death(sleep)that's the point,as not all will sleep,however they shall be changed to what those who have died are changed to,this happens at the last trump.......
 
Again,I don't believe in a rapture

Yes Paul is talking about a physical death(sleep)that's the point,as not all will sleep,however they shall be changed to what those who have died are changed to,this happens at the last trump.......

Uh, that IS a description of "the rapture!"

Simply put, Paul says not all will die before the resurrection at the last trumpet.
And at the resurrection, the already dead were raised to heaven & the living were spiritually raised to heavenly places.

Jesus fulfilled the feast of trumpets in AD70.
 
Uh, that IS a description of "the rapture!"

Simply put, Paul says not all will die before the resurrection at the last trumpet.
And at the resurrection, the already dead were raised to heaven & the living were spiritually raised to heavenly places.

Jesus fulfilled the feast of trumpets in AD70.

Show me that verse please........
Paul says not all will die before the resurrection

Also what part of that is a rapture description,scripture says we shall gather back to Christ,where the rapturist gets confused is ,they think they will be taken out of the world before or shortly after the trib.....Fact is Christ is coming here,nobody is going anywhere!!!!

II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

This gathering takes place at the last trump.....Where you get a rapture from in my post I don't know!!!
 
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What Paul said was,not all will die before the 7th trump is sounded

Bottom line remains when that trump sounds ALL will be changed.....

But Im curious to know,what heavenly place are you in?
 
What Paul said was,not all will die before the 7th trump is sounded
Close, but you ignore Paul's audience & time relevance.
Bottom line remains when that trump sounds ALL will be changed.....
Changed does not mean to literally die like the physically "sleeping." Changed as in a new "corporate body" in Christ in the "New" Covenant. The Old Covenant had waxed old & became obsolete.
But Im curious to know,what heavenly place are you in?
You should know & understand what the Bible tells you about that heavenly gift:
The Glorious Company


18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, 19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore. 20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: “And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned or shot with an arrow.†21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I am exceedingly afraid and trembling.†)
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
(Heb.12:18-24)

Now, answer this..... Was Hebrews writer talking to dead people in that passage?
 
Close, but you ignore Paul's audience & time relevance.

Changed does not mean to literally die like the physically "sleeping." Changed as in a new "corporate body" in Christ in the "New" Covenant. The Old Covenant had waxed old & became obsolete.

You should know & understand what the Bible tells you about that heavenly gift:
The Glorious Company


18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, 19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore. 20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: “And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned or shot with an arrow.†21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I am exceedingly afraid and trembling.†)
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. (Heb.12:18-24)

Now, answer this..... Was Hebrews writer talking to dead people in that passage?

The change is from flesh, to that which can be in the presence of God....
 
Hi Lehigh3;

And at the resurrection, the already dead were raised to heaven & the
living were spiritually raised to heavenly places.

This is a preterist teaching that I have thought I understood, then I would lose it and so on...

I'm going to read back thru some of your posts because I bet there is some good explanations for me in there.

noble
 
Hi Lehigh3;



This is a preterist teaching that I have thought I understood, then I would lose it and so on...

I'm going to read back thru some of your posts because I bet there is some good explanations for me in there.

noble

Hi noble! Yes, the change of the living that Paul refers to isn't a literal trip to heaven like the physically dead. Nor a literal taking out of this world as the rapturists dream of.
Here is a pretty good analysis of what Paul is saying to the Corinthians.
You can find more notes at Virgil's sidebar "RSS"

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=248725378485143
 
Hi noble! Yes, the change of the living that Paul refers to isn't a literal trip to heaven like the physically dead. Nor a literal taking out of this world as the rapturists dream of.
Here is a pretty good analysis of what Paul is saying to the Corinthians.
You can find more notes at Virgil's sidebar "RSS"

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=248725378485143

Had a quick look at the link... thank you.

noble
 
Lehigh3

Changed does not mean to literally die like the physically "sleeping." Changed as in a new "corporate body" in Christ in the "New" Covenant. The Old Covenant had waxed old & became obsolete.

Change means from flesh to spirit......That change will take place at death or at the 7th trump,which ever comes first........
 
Change means from flesh to spirit......That change will take place at death or at the 7th trump,which ever comes first........

This change takes place at the time of the last trump, are you considering that? The reason I ask is because believers continue to live and die AFTER tht last trump.

noble
 
This change takes place at the time of the last trump, are you considering that? The reason I ask is because believers continue to live and die AFTER tht last trump.


Yes the change takes place at the last trump,that's what Ive been saying,however the next death after this will be the 2nd death,which is the death of the soul.....

The age of flesh will be over at the last trump,therefore believers those that held true to the end will put on their immortal souls,in which the 2nd death will have no power,other's though changed,are not immortal and will still stand a chance to die the 2nd death....

Let me show an example from Rev...

Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

The dead in the above are those who while changed to their spiritual bodies have not put on immortality,these are those who can still die the 2nd death....We know these are not flesh people as they are around the throne as per verse 11.....

Again, no believer will die after the last trump....
 
Hi n2thelight;583137]

The age of flesh will be over at the last trump,therefore
believers those that held true to the end will put on their immortal
souls,

Again, no believer will die after the last
trump

Whoops. The last trump is pretty much the end of that great day of the Lord. I pointed out Matthew 13 where a number of references are given.

37

He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.

40

"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age.

If we read this from the KJV we see it is the end of the world.

37

He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38

The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39

The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

This is the aion in Greek. Not the end of the planet but the end of the age/world. The end of the old covenant. The last trump is part of that. The last trump happens at the end of the great trib. It is the end of the wrath of God. Read Rev 14

Revelation 14

New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)


Revelation 14

The Lamb and the 144,000

1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless. The Three Angels

6 Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. 7 He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.”
8 A second angel followed and said, “Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries.”
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10 he, too, will drink of the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.” 12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.” The Harvest of the Earth

14 I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one “like a son of man” with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15 Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16 So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested. 17 Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18 Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, “Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth’s vine, because its grapes are ripe.” 19 The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. 20 They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.

All of that is the big wind up, but just before JOhn watches this he is given this final instruction :

13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

So from this we see that believers continue to live and die after the last trump. This is verified by 1 COr 10 where it tells us the end of the age falls on their generation.

11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.

This of course means that the verse many have argued about for so long really does mean exactly what it says:

34 I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

noble
 
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