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Development of Doctrine

Mungo said:
Nothing to do with the development of doctrine.
Just an attempted diversion.
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And when you write "Luther was not a Bishop. he did not have apostolic authority."

and

"I disagree. It's not about pride but about authority.
In the end all these disputes come down to authority."

Where is the development of doctrine in that?

Are you having a hard day? You're posting irrelevant and illogical messages over and over.
 
jaybo said:
And when you write "Luther was not a Bishop. he did not have apostolic authority."

and

"I disagree. It's not about pride but about authority.
In the end all these disputes come down to authority."

Where is the development of doctrine in that?

Are you having a hard day? You're posting irrelevant and illogical messages over and over.
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An irrelevant response
 
Mungo said:
An irrelevant response
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You criticize me for not staying with the not discussing development of doctrine when your post had nothing to do with the same subject.

It's of no importance to me what you consider irrelevant. Isn't it time for your mutton dinner?
 
jaybo said:
A successful, on-topic claim. Do you deny that there were the crusades, the inquisitions, torture, excommunication, murder, etc?
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I can agree with the above,
In which Protestants also hold guilt for the same sins.

But I can't agree with the Crusades being on that list. I don't remember the history well, but I believe there was a problem with the last crusade. It was wrong for some reason.

But if it were not for the Crusades pushing back Islamic conquest of the West, we'd all be speaking Arabic now.
 
WIP said:
When our congregation was deciding whether or not to disassociate from the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), one of the points I stressed in our meetings was how I believed it to be important for us to not remain forever independent but sooner or later find an association/synod/whatever to join up with. The reason I believed it to be important is that left to ourselves without some kind of structural guidance, we tend to take off on various rabbit trails. Case in point is the multitude of denominations that we have today even sub-denominations within denominations so even our decision to eventually make a tie with the LCMC, might not necessarily be a solid footing either.

For example, here are few in the Lutheran denomination that I am aware of in my own community. Each has their own specific doctrinal differences and this list is not exhaustive.
LCMC - Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ
AFLC - Association Free Lutheran Church
CLB - Church of the Lutheran Brethren
LCMS - Lutheran Church Missouri Synod
ELCA - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

We should keep in mind too that this is not unique to Protestant churches either for within the Catholic church there are quite a number of sub-denominations as well.
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I can't think of sub-denominations in the CC.
Maybe you mean Movements?
Like the Charismatic Movement.
 
Walpole said:
And this same poster is in that thread arguing that baptism does not save, contrary to 1 Peter 3:20-21 where the Apostle explicitly states that baptism "now saves you".

These threads demonstrate, in near real time, the need for a body, organ or mechanism to determine what is or is not the Christian faith. Otherwise, it becomes entirely subjective and whatever each individual adherent wants it to be.

Without an authoritative Church, Christianity devolves into chaos.
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Agreed.
I called it anarchy.

OTOH, Catholicism states that I have to agree with all dogma, doctrine, and teaching.
I know persons that do.
I just honestly don't understand how that could be possible.
 
wondering said:
I can agree with the above,
In which Protestants also hold guilt for the same sins.

But I can't agree with the Crusades being on that list. I don't remember the history well, but I believe there was a problem with the last crusade. It was wrong for some reason.

But if it were not for the Crusades pushing back Islamic conquest of the West, we'd all be speaking Arabic now.
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Can you spell "speculation"?
 
wondering said:
Agreed.
I called it anarchy.

OTOH, Catholicism states that I have to agree with all dogma, doctrine, and teaching.
I know persons that do.
I just honestly don't understand how that could be possible.
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If you don't agree with everything, what's the point? You devolve into just another form of Protestantism, whereby you decide for yourself what is or is not the Christian faith. That isn't Christianity, that is ego. Take that poster who claims to be an adherent to sola Scriptura, except for when he's not, such as when it comes accepting the Scripture which teaches baptism is salvific (e.g. 1 Peter 3:21; Mark 16:16, etc.)
 
Walpole said:
If you don't agree with everything, what's the point? You devolve into just another form of Protestantism, whereby you decide for yourself what is or is not the Christian faith. That isn't Christianity, that is ego. Take that poster who claims to be an adherent to sola Scriptura, except for when he's not, such as when it comes accepting the Scripture which teaches baptism is salvific (e.g. 1 Peter 3:21; Mark 16:16, etc.)
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Of course I know this.
But take John 3:3,5.

The CC states that it's baptism.
The Protestant is divided between baptism and physical birth. From the wording it could be either.

I need to understand well.
It's been explained to me, have a problem with it.

1 Cor 3 is not addressing purgatory.

How is something accepted that makes no sense?
 
wondering said:
LOL
I'm in Spain right now.
No need to spell speculation.
There's Islamic architecture from the East all over.

I think you might be a tad prejudiced?
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So there is Islamic architecture...so what? There is all varities of architecture all over the world, but that doesn't mean that the entire culture would be overcome.

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling!" Chicken Little

I think you might be a tad paranoid. BTW, I'm descended from Sephardic Jews on my mother's side.
 
wondering said:
Of course I know this.
But take John 3:3,5.

The CC states that it's baptism.
The Protestant is divided between baptism and physical birth. From the wording it could be either.

I need to understand well.
It's been explained to me, have a problem with it.

1 Cor 3 is not addressing purgatory.

How is something accepted that makes no sense?
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You just made my point: Christianity descends into subjectivity and eventually chaos.

It also demonstrates the folly in starting a religion using another religion’s Scriptures. The Scripture make no sense without the context in which they were written: The Tradition of the Church.

The Scriptures reflect the living faith of the Church. This is why most of the Protestant attacks are simply absurd. For example, there is a thread going on right now where Protestants are actually arguing that baptism is done without water. For a Christian, this is an absurdity. Only for a Protestant can this type of nonsense be taken seriously.
 
jaybo said:
So there is Islamic architecture...so what? There is all varities of architecture all over the world, but that doesn't mean that the entire culture would be overcome.

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling!" Chicken Little

I think you might be a tad paranoid. BTW, I'm descended from Sephardic Jews on my mother's side.
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What is a Sephartic Jew?

Islam was stopped by the Crusades.
As I'm sure you know.
 
Walpole said:
You just made my point: Christianity descends into subjectivity and eventually chaos.

It also demonstrates the folly in starting a religion using another religion’s Scriptures. The Scripture make no sense without the context in which they were written: The Tradition of the Church.

The Scriptures reflect the living faith of the Church. This is why most of the Protestant attacks are simply absurd. For example, there is a thread going on right now where Protestants are actually arguing that baptism is done without water. For a Christian, this is an absurdity. Only for a Protestant can this type of nonsense be taken seriously.
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On a phone....
John baptized for the forgiveness of sin.
He said one will come after him that will baptize with or for power.

In Acts 2 the Holy Spirit fell on those present.
If the CC is right about John 3:3,5 then there must surely be 2 types of baptism.

One of water...
One of Spirit.

Jesus said we must be baptized of Water AND of Spirit.

However, I agree with you that water is necessary for baptism unless it's a baptism of desire,,,can't het the CCC no. right now.
 
wondering said:
What is a Sephartic Jew?

Islam was stopped by the Crusades.
As I'm sure you know.
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There are two main ethnicities of European Jews: Sephardic and Ashkenazi. Sephardic Jews lived primarily on the Iberian peninsula; my mother's family originated from there. Ashkenazi Jews lived primarily in Eastern Europe and Russia. Mt father's family originated from there.

If Islam was "stopped by the crusades" how come it is still functioning throughout the world?
 
wondering said:
Owe you a big reply on the salvation thread.
Should be home on Friday.
Blessings.
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Not to worry. Am being dragged off to Bridlington and Hull (by my wife) from Friday til Sunday. 😫. Can't wait!

Enjoy the rest of your holiday.

Blessings.
 
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