devils

[citrus]

Demons serve Satan. They will not be in heaven or the new earth. God is coming back to deal with him. The devil is deceived and doesn't know. He will get his 7 yrs., but God will lock up the keys as he burns in the eternalfire and hell is not just fire. Without God is eternal torture. Absence of God's presence is hell. God's presence is sweet and peaceful and encouraging and love. Without God it is going to be hell. We still have mercy. They are new every morning another moment another day to show God that you honor him and bring him these gifts of help from the holy spirit that abides in you.

 

[citrus]

Hell is absent from God's presence

 

[hawkman]

Yes, but you identify "demons" as a real entity but where did they come from?

Dr. Michael S. Heiser has it covered in this link , and I agree with him .
Where Do Demons Come From?

Angels?

No , see above .

Why would God lock up the angels that sinned but leave their spirit-demons loose on the planet.

God is smarter than you and I , I am saying they serve his purpose on this planet .

I believe what Scripture says that God locked up the angels that sinned and any influence they may exert.

I agree , but notice it is the "angels that sinned " and not all of the fallen angels because we read of "Princes" in the book of Daniel that are in reality fallen angels . The prince of Persia and the prince of Grecia are fallen Angels no mortal fights against the Angel Michael .

Daniel 10

10 And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands.

11 And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling.

12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

15 And when he had spoken such words unto me, I set my face toward the ground, and I became dumb.

16 And, behold, one like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength.

17 For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.

18 Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,

19 And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.

20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You are consistently holding to false interpretations of scripture rather than scripture itself, but I knew that when I entered this conversation and that it would likely still be true when I was leaving it.

God bless, and wishing you the best anyway. Maybe you will recover yourself from your falsehoods with time.
- H

And you have the corner market on truth.
There's nothing in the Old Testament about "demons" the way you believe.
So where do they come from if the Old Testament is silent on the way you believe it?
So, who's really holding to falsehood?
Me?
No. Not me.
Hmmm.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Demons serve Satan. They will not be in heaven or the new earth. God is coming back to deal with him. The devil is deceived and doesn't know. He will get his 7 yrs., but God will lock up the keys as he burns in the eternalfire and hell is not just fire. Without God is eternal torture. Absence of God's presence is hell. God's presence is sweet and peaceful and encouraging and love. Without God it is going to be hell. We still have mercy. They are new every morning another moment another day to show God that you honor him and bring him these gifts of help from the holy spirit that abides in you.

They are already locked up. Happen before Noah's time, maybe even between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:3–4.

You do believe Scripture, yes?

 

[jeremiah1five]

I will use Esau for an example as God did not hate Esau, but sore displeased with him in his deception of selling his birthright, Genesis 25. God said He also created evil and this is what fell upon Esau as we read in Malachi 1:2-5.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word kelalah that means adversary, affliction, calamity, distress and misery. This is what God has created and puts on those who He has cursed for their rebellion against Him so they know "I AM" in all sovereignty, Deuteronomy 27:11-26.

Exodus Chapter 7-11 is a witness of the "Great I AM" and what God brought forth in His affliction, calamity, distress and misery on Pharaoh and the Egyptians.

God gave Pharaoh and the Egyptians a chance to repent and turn back to Him, like He does for everyone, but they rejected God as like Pharaoh hardened his heart against God like so many even today do this.

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

"Evil" in Isaiah 45:7 is:

Strong's [#7451] raʿ [H#7489] (ra`a`); bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral.)

Vine’s Words: Sin.

I think you are using one of the translations as a definition which is not correct. You can't get doctrine from a translation. You must read it in the original language.

English Words used in KJV:
evil 442 times
wickedness 59
wicked 25
mischief 21
hurt 20
bad 13
trouble 10
sore 9
affliction 6
ill 5
adversity 4
favoured 3
harm 3
naught 3
noisome 2
grievous 2
sad 2
miscellaneous translations 34
[Total Count: 663]

And the word "hate" as in "Esau have I hated" is exactly as translated.

a primitive root; to hate (personal)
God loves and God hates. That is the Immutability of God. If He loves 'you' He will save 'you,' if He doesn't love 'you' He will not save 'you.'

What Hebrew linguist are you using?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Dr. Michael S. Heiser has it covered in this link , and I agree with him .
Where Do Demons Come From?

No , see above .

God is smarter than you and I , I am saying they serve his purpose on this planet .

I agree , but notice it is the "angels that sinned " and not all of the fallen angels because we read of "Princes" in the book of Daniel that are in reality fallen angels . The prince of Persia and the prince of Grecia are fallen Angels no mortal fights against the Angel Michael .

Daniel 10

10 And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands.

11 And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling.

12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

15 And when he had spoken such words unto me, I set my face toward the ground, and I became dumb.

16 And, behold, one like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength.

17 For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.

18 Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,

19 And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.

20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

Can't be. Angels that sinned God says are locked up:

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:3–4.

So, if they're all locked up then you have to reconsider your beliefs and include this Scripture truth.

And your boy says "demons" are the dead spirits from Nephilim. Very wrong. So very wrong. "Nephilim" is the Hebrew word translated "giants" in Genesis 6 and it merely means "bullies" and "tyrants."

 

[jeremiah1five]

You need to go learn where demons, devils or evil spirits come from as God did created all the angels to be holy and blameless before Him just as He created man to be holy and blameless before Him. God has never created them evil as I have already shown you, but it's your choice to reject the scriptures I already gave you and to reject the teachings on freewill.

If God created all the angels holy, then this violates the Scripture in Isaiah:

8 I am the LORD: that is my name:
And my glory will I not give to another,
Is 42:8.

Holiness is the Nature of God and He doesn't give His holiness to anyone.

And another Scripture you violate is:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west,
That there is none beside me.
I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.
Is 45:6–7.

And YOU want to accuse ME of falsehood? I accept His Word on both counts you do not. If the angels were created holy and they sinned, then you believe sin comes from holiness. Here's a question for you, two, actually:

God is Holy. How long before God sin since you say sin comes from holiness?

You also say that the serpent/Satan tempted the woman.
WHO tempted the angels to sin if there was no one to tempt them and sin in creation as you believe because all God's creation is holy?

I think you can't answer this. You need to do some serious rethinking on this subject.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You need to go learn where demons, devils or evil spirits come from as God did created all the angels to be holy and blameless before Him just as He created man to be holy and blameless before Him. God has never created them evil as I have already shown you, but it's your choice to reject the scriptures I already gave you and to reject the teachings on freewill.

If God violates freewill is He sinning?

 

[for_his_glory]

"Evil" in Isaiah 45:7 is:

Strong's [#7451] raʿ [H#7489] (ra`a`); bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral.)

Vine’s Words: Sin.

I think you are using one of the translations as a definition which is not correct. You can't get doctrine from a translation. You must read it in the original language.

English Words used in KJV:
evil 442 times
wickedness 59
wicked 25
mischief 21
hurt 20
bad 13
trouble 10
sore 9
affliction 6
ill 5
adversity 4
favoured 3
harm 3
naught 3
noisome 2
grievous 2
sad 2
miscellaneous translations 34
[Total Count: 663]

And the word "hate" as in "Esau have I hated" is exactly as translated.

a primitive root; to hate (personal)
God loves and God hates. That is the Immutability of God. If He loves 'you' He will save 'you,' if He doesn't love 'you' He will not save 'you.'

What Hebrew linguist are you using?

This list is everything I already said plus more. I will repeat it again.

The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word kelalah that means adversary, affliction, calamity, distress and misery. This is what God has created and puts on those who He has cursed for their rebellion against Him so they know "I AM" in all sovereignty, Deuteronomy 27:11-26.

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition
to hate
NASB Translation
detest (1), enemy (3), enmity (1), foes (1), hate (78), hated (28), hated her intensely (1), hates (19), hating (2), hatred (1), turned against (1), turns against (2), unloved (7).

Anyone who deceives another like Esau and Pharoah and falls from God's grace will pay the consequences for their actions as they are defined by all these definitions.

 

[for_his_glory]

If God violates freewill is He sinning?

How would God violate the choices we make, whether good or bad.

 

[jeremiah1five]

This list is everything I already said plus more. I will repeat it again.

The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word kelalah that means adversary, affliction, calamity, distress and misery. This is what God has created and puts on those who He has cursed for their rebellion against Him so they know "I AM" in all sovereignty, Deuteronomy 27:11-26.

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition
to hate
NASB Translation
detest (1), enemy (3), enmity (1), foes (1), hate (78), hated (28), hated her intensely (1), hates (19), hating (2), hatred (1), turned against (1), turns against (2), unloved (7).

Anyone who deceives another like Esau and Pharoah and falls from God's grace will pay the consequences for their actions as they are defined by all these definitions.

Strong's Hebrew and Greek is the mainstay in Christianity for nearly 200 years. Whatever source you're using is modern (go figure) and is in error. The word is "ra."
But that's the problem with the new age modern day translations taken from corrupt Greek texts by Westcott and Hort. Do you know who these two idiots were? They were evil to bring confusion and lies to our heritage in secretly worshiping Mary and being closet Catholics. Even Westcott's son told the whole story behind his life. Westcott didn't even believe in the inerrancy and inspiration of the Holy Writ. And you have this guy and his partners bringing confusion into Christianity. God is NOT the Author of confusion. You need to reconsider your sources.

 

[jeremiah1five]

How would God violate the choices we make, whether good or bad.

If we have freewill and God overrules our choices, then we DON'T have freewill.
It's that simple.

 

[citrus]

Then how come people are demon possessed? I've seen and heard demons before. I rebuked them in Jesus name. I'm sure somewhere in the bible it mentions it. And people say there are ghost, but really they are demons. We wrestle not flesh or blood. It's spiritual warfare. That's why we don't go to fortune tellers and play the oigoe board, engage with paranormal calling our ancestors and do witch craft and sorcery. It is the counterfeit of the holy spirit. Angels and demons can be on earth. They aren't always in heaven. They were on the earth in intenses all through out the bible and jesus cast demons into the pigs.Don't you believe the bible? I've encountered them. I told God I don't want to see them anymore because it was to much for me so they fled. I haven't seen them sense. I rebuke them in Jesus name and walk in God's authority. I don't want to see Angels either because the bible says that one of them comes as an innocent light, but really is bad because we are not to worship them. I think there is more to it.

 

[citrus]

Then why spiritual warfare that is mentioned throughout the bible? I think there is more to it that we haven't acknowledged. I'm going to look into it.

 

[for_his_glory]

If God created all the angels holy, then this violates the Scripture in Isaiah:

8 I am the LORD: that is my name:
And my glory will I not give to another,
Is 42:8.

Holiness is the Nature of God and He doesn't give His holiness to anyone.

And another Scripture you violate is:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west,
That there is none beside me.
I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.
Is 45:6–7.

And YOU want to accuse ME of falsehood? I accept His Word on both counts you do not. If the angels were created holy and they sinned, then you believe sin comes from holiness. Here's a question for you, two, actually:

God is Holy. How long before God sin since you say sin comes from holiness?

You also say that the serpent/Satan tempted the woman.
WHO tempted the angels to sin if there was no one to tempt them and sin in creation as you believe because all God's creation is holy?

I think you can't answer this. You need to do some serious rethinking on this subject.

Slow your roll as I never accused you of falsehood, but only disagreeing with your theology. It has nothing to do with you personally. I'm done playing the you are right and I am wrong game as you do not want to discuss, but to claim you know it all so I am out of here. God bless and have a good evening.

 

[Hidden In Him]

They were on the earth in intenses all through out the bible and jesus cast demons into the pigs.

Yes, He did. And the pigs were so terrified when they suddenly they saw demons in each other's eyes that they freaked out and ran off a cliff en masse, which is seriously being spooked by something.

Then we have Jeremiah's interpretation, which is that the Lord cast the man's package of bad attitudes into the heard, and this is what made them hari kari themselves.

It's highly unconvincing.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Then how come people are demon possessed? I've seen and heard demons before. I rebuked them in Jesus name. I'm sure somewhere in the bible it mentions it. And people say there are ghost, but really they are demons.

First you must define what "demons" are. The way the Gentile Church understand "demons" today is nothing to the original meaning in the Old Testament. There is not even a word in the Hebrew for "demons," so what are they really?
I believe they are the evil (and good) attitudes in man.

We wrestle not flesh or blood. It's spiritual warfare. That's why we don't go to fortune tellers and play the oigoe board, engage with paranormal calling our ancestors and do witch craft and sorcery. It is the counterfeit of the holy spirit. Angels and demons can be on earth.

The angels that sinned are locked up by God:

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Pe 2:4.

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jude verse 6.

The evil and the sin in the world is solely from man.

They aren't always in heaven. They were on the earth in intenses all through out the bible and jesus cast demons into the pigs.

What Jesus subdued and cast out from these two men were their evil attitudes/spirits. Attitudes are invisible, immaterial, but they are powerful that although you can't see the attitudes per se you can feel them. Ever walk into a room and feel a heaviness or oppression? Someone has a negative/evil and sinful attitude. To find out who all you have to do is look into their countenance to see their expression. Good attitudes are important. They shape our frame of mind in our prayers and worship to God.

Don't you believe the bible? I've encountered them. I told God I don't want to see them anymore because it was to much for me so they fled. I haven't seen them sense. I rebuke them in Jesus name and walk in God's authority. I don't want to see Angels either because the bible says that one of them comes as an innocent light, but really is bad because we are not to worship them. I think there is more to it.

There is more to "it."
A great deal more.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Slow your roll as I never accused you of falsehood, but only disagreeing with your theology. It has nothing to do with you personally. I'm done playing the you are right and I am wrong game as you do not want to discuss, but to claim you know it all so I am out of here. God bless and have a good evening.

I apologize. You are correct. It wasn't you.

 

[citrus]

Slow your roll as I never accused you of falsehood, but only disagreeing with your theology. It has nothing to do with you personally. I'm done playing the you are right and I am wrong game as you do not want to discuss, but to claim you know it all so I am out of here. God bless and have a good evening.

I'm sorry. I thought of that this morning. Sorry I was short and sparky with you. I could have said that better even though we disagree.