Did God create hell?

[Grappler]

Because you're the one that committed the blasphemy by denying eternal fire in Mark 9:48 & Isaiah 66:24.

Ahh i see...back to name calling.....now i am a blasphemer because i believe that the unsaved do not get eternal life...So because i believe that the unsaved will be destroyed in the lake of fire i am a blasphemer?? Ok Judge Urk i guess i am guilty as charged...throw the book at me..

 

[Guest]

Ahh i see...back to name calling.....now i am a blasphemer because i believe that the unsaved do not get eternal life...So because i believe that the unsaved will be destroyed in the lake of fire i am a blasphemer??

It's not name calling, it's a fact. You believe one thing but deny what scripture is telling you. What you believe and what's in scripture do not align.

 

[WIP]

Let's get back to the topic of the thread and not the topic of each other, please. There's nothing gained by jabbing at each other.

 

[Grappler]

It's not name calling, it's a fact. You believe one thing but deny what scripture is telling you. What you believe and what's in scripture do not align.

Except for the scripture that does support my stance...alas i guess we will just have to agree to disagree...WIP wants you to stop jabbing at me and get back to the topic of this thread but i think we have exhausted our points of views haven't we? I think will stick with my views and you can stick with yours hows that? God bless you urk and have a nice day...i am off to other topics...if anyone on here wants to continue this discussion just "shoot" me a private message.

 

[Guest]

Except for the scripture that does support my stance

It doesn't support your stance, your scriptures only support what you wanna believe in so you ignore what is actually said about eternal fire and righteousness in Mark 9:48, Isaiah 66:24 and John 5:29. God bless you too Grappler, lol.

 

[John 8:32]

Ahh i see...back to name calling.....now i am a blasphemer because i believe that the unsaved do not get eternal life...So because i believe that the unsaved will be destroyed in the lake of fire i am a blasphemer?? Ok Judge Urk i guess i am guilty as charged...throw the book at me..

Makes me guilty too!

 

[beartheweak]

The only difference is that beartheweak thinks everyone is going to hell. :toofunny

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False doctrine, there is no 'purification process'. Also, the lake of fire is an eternal torment.

It's good to know that you know so much. You seem to be very "as a matter of fact" about the whole thing. This is a very gray area in scripture. For instance, the bible tells us that God wills everyone to come to repentance and be saved. It also tells us that one day every knee shall bow and worship Him. Yet, Jesus says narrow and straight is the way to eternal life and broad/wide is the gate to destruction (probably more literally, the soul is obliterated, not kept conscious... i.e. "fear not man who can only destroy the body, but fear God who can destroy both body and soul").

Additionally, I don't think everyone is going to Hell as you claim. I think (key word is "think") that everyone is going to Sheol, which is a temporary holding place of the dead. On judgement day, everyone will be awakened from their sleep in Sheol and judged. After this judgement, I have no idea what happens because it is a gray area in scripture.

 

[Guest]

(probably more literally, the soul is obliterated, not kept conscious... i.e. "fear not man who can only destroy the body, but fear God who can destroy both body and soul").

Additionally, I don't think everyone is going to Hell as you claim. I think (key word is "think") that everyone is going to Sheol, which is a temporary holding place of the dead. On judgement day, everyone will be awakened from their sleep in Sheol and judged. After this judgement, I have no idea what happens because it is a gray area in scripture.

The Bible does not have any 'gray areas'. It is straight forward and is the Word of God, you can't just quote any scripture that you want and ignore others because it's convenient and supports your beliefs. It doesn't work that way, there is no 'probably'. Either you are a sinner that needs to repent or you're a born again christian that has been saved by the grace of God. Their worm never dies and the fire is never quenched. What do they mean by their and worm? Mark 9:48 & Isaiah 66:24

 

[beartheweak]

The Bible does not have any 'gray areas'. It is straight forward and is the Word of God, you can't just quote any scripture that you want and ignore others because it's convenient and supports your beliefs. It doesn't work that way, there is no 'probably'. Either you are a sinner that needs to repent or you're a born again christian that has been saved by the grace of God. Their worm never dies and the fire is never quenched. What do they mean by their and worm? Mark 9:48 & Isaiah 66:24

If the bible didn't have any gray areas then how in the world do you explain the thousands of different interpretations of the bible? I think I believe that the bible was written by God (through the Holy Spirit and His divine governance). This doesn't mean that God clearly explained everything. He only told us what He wanted us to know. That means there are gray areas. If you claim that there are no gray areas in the bible, then you must know everything(!!!!) because the bible clearly explains everything. That is sarcasm of course, in order to show you the fallacy of believing that the bible does not contain gray areas.

Additionally, I barely have any beliefs because of all the different sides that have pretty good biblical supporting evidence for their beliefs (almost to the point of proving the bible has contradictions). To put it simply, the bible is confusing about who will attain salvation and how to attain salvation.

 

[iLOVE]

If the bible didn't have any gray areas then how in the world do you explain the thousands of different interpretations of the bible? I think I believe that the bible was written by God (through the Holy Spirit and His divine governance). This doesn't mean that God clearly explained everything. He only told us what He wanted us to know. That means there are gray areas. If you claim that there are no gray areas in the bible, then you must know everything(!!!!) because the bible clearly explainseverything. That is sarcasm of course, in order to show you the fallacy of believe that the bible does not contain gray areas.

Additionally, I barely have any beliefs because of all the different sides that have pretty good biblical supporting evidence for their beliefs (almost to the point of proving the bible has contradictions). To put it simply, the bible is confusing about who will attain salvation and how to attain salvation.

Pray and ask God to make your heart wise with wisdom and understanding. The Holy Spirit has taken the responsibility to teach Christian Believers by writing the word of God on our heart.

 

[Guest]

If the bible didn't have any gray areas then how in the world do you explain the thousands of different interpretations of the bible? I think I believe that the bible was written by God (through the Holy Spirit and His divine governance). This doesn't mean that God clearly explained everything. He only told us what He wanted us to know. That means there are gray areas. If you claim that there are no gray areas in the bible, then you must know everything(!!!!) because the bible clearly explains everything. That is sarcasm of course, in order to show you the fallacy of believing that the bible does not contain gray areas.

Additionally, I barely have any beliefs because of all the different sides that have pretty good biblical supporting evidence for their beliefs (almost to the point of proving the bible has contradictions). To put it simply, the bible is confusing about who will attain salvation and how to attain salvation.

Man has written mulitiple translations so in order to give them excuses to keep sinning. Man is flawed, God is not. The Bible was written by prophets that were indwelled with the Holy Spirit. The Bible isn't confusing about salvation, the devil is the one that confuses people. What are you believing and confessing in, in Romans 10:9? The Bible says you must be born again to see the kingdom of God. John 3:3 - Where Jesus lives now is holy. You must be born of the Holy Spirit in this lifetime to enter Holy Land after death. Heaven is not defiled with sin. Heaven is pure and holy!

 

[HeisReal]

I hope this question hasn't been asked. I read all but the last few pages

If God won't send people to hell for eternity b/c of His love or the fact that someone believes it to be too harsh of a punishment, then would God also not send Satan and the fallen angels to hell for eternity?

 

[Guest]

I hope this question hasn't been asked. I read all but the last few pages

If God won't send people to hell for eternity b/c of His love or the fact that someone believes it to be too harsh of a punishment, then would God also not send Satan and the fallen angels to hell for eternity?

Firstly, God doesn't send people to hell, he releases them. We all have a choice in this lifetime to repent of our sins. Hell is the complete absence of God. God created hell in the way that it is the complete opposite of him because he is just. God is love/Satan is hatred - God is peace/Satan is fear - God is joy/Satan is torment etc etc..

 

[Free]

Man has written mulitiple translations so in order to give them excuses to keep sinning.

Man has written multiple translations precisely because of the difficulties in understanding and interpreting an ancient language. It is difficult and not always straightforward. There certainly are grey areas as the Bible clearly does not explain everything, as beartheweek said.

There is a significant flaw in your argument: "Man has written mulitiple translations so in order to give them excuses to keep sinning. Man is flawed, God is not." That undermines all translations. Yet you say the Bible "is straight forward and is the Word of God," despite that the Bibles we all use are translations, those very translations which you say gives man "excuses to keep sinning."

The fact of the matter is, there are passages which support an eternal hell where the unbelievers will go and passages which support their annihilation, the ceasing of their existence. But there are also difficulties with both positions. It really is not so straight forward.

 

[beartheweak]

Man has written mulitiple translations so in order to give them excuses to keep sinning. Man is flawed, God is not. The Bible was written by prophets that were indwelled with the Holy Spirit. The Bible isn't confusing about salvation, the devil is the one that confuses people.

Apparently the bible disagrees with this. For instance, 2 Thess. 2:11 "For this reason God will send upon them a strong delusion so that they will believe what is false,"(regradless of the end-times, it still stands that he will do this and according to other scriptures, always has done this), Romans 9:18-21 "So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it?Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?"... or Mark 4:11-12 "And He was saying to them, 'To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God, but those who are outside get everything in parables, so that WHILE SEEING, THEY MAY SEE AND NOT PERCEIVE, AND WHILE HEARING, THEY MAY HEAR AND NOT UNDERSTAND, OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT RETURN AND BE FORGIVEN.'" which tells us that Jesus purposely spoke in parables so as to allow confusion so that the ones who aren't planned to be forgiven by God will not be forgiven.

There are gray areas in scripture on purpose. To deny this, you are denying God's ability to make things clear to us, even through sin. If God planned for something to be clear to us, you can bet that it would be clear to us.

I understand that man is flawed and God is not.

 

[childeye]

If the bible didn't have any gray areas then how in the world do you explain the thousands of different interpretations of the bible? I think I believe that the bible was written by God (through the Holy Spirit and His divine governance). This doesn't mean that God clearly explained everything. He only told us what He wanted us to know. That means there are gray areas. If you claim that there are no gray areas in the bible, then you must know everything(!!!!) because the bible clearly explains everything. That is sarcasm of course, in order to show you the fallacy of believing that the bible does not contain gray areas.

Additionally, I barely have any beliefs because of all the different sides that have pretty good biblical supporting evidence for their beliefs (almost to the point of proving the bible has contradictions). To put it simply, the bible is confusing about who will attain salvation and how to attain salvation.

Sounds to me like you are asking all the good questions in your threads. There are semantics however, so good luck with the answers if you are seeking them here on this forum. It is my experience that if you ask God in Jesus' name He will answer you. It may take a few weeks or even longer. The big picture cannot be contemplated all at once, but like a jigsaw puzzle must be seen one piece at a time. Revelation is the way to learn. Scripture says if you ask for bread God will not give you a stone, so you are on the right path. The word hell is translated different ways in scripture but all can agree that when scripture talks about the second death, the lake of fire, it is not a desirable place to end up. As for grey areas, even the bible says we see as through a dark glass.

 

[HeisReal]

Firstly, God doesn't send people to hell, he releases them. We all have a choice in this lifetime to repent of our sins. Hell is the complete absence of God. God created hell in the way that it is the complete opposite of him because he is just. God is love/Satan is hatred - God is peace/Satan is fear - God is joy/Satan is torment etc etc..

Sorry, I just typed that out without rereading it, but yes I do know God doesn't "send" anyone, but it's us who make the choice. I was pointing out that if Satan and the fallen angels were to be in hell for eternity, why not people?

 

[Guest]

Man has written multiple translations precisely because of the difficulties in understanding and interpreting an ancient language. It is difficult and not always straightforward.It really is not so straight forward.

It is straight forward because God does not lie or confuse people. We have the Holy Spirit to discern truth for us. There are many tanslations, but only one God speaking through the prophets. The argument here is based on Mark 9:48 & Isaiah 66:24, whether sinners burn in hell for eternity, when it's clear they do. Give me an example of a gray area using scripture and I will show you what I mean.

Apparently the bible disagrees with this. For instance, 2 Thess. 2:11 "For this reason God will send upon them a strong delusion so that they will believe what is false,"(regradless of the end-times, it still stands that he will do this and according to other scriptures, always has done this), Romans 9:18-21 "So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault?

I see what you're saying here, but who is them? If God is sending delusions to his prophets, then that's a good thing. That means God is testing them. Just because God sends delusions to his prophets doesn't mean they become unsaved! If God is sending delusions to unbelievers, then God is testing them to repent and question their motives. Everything God does is for good. If God is not showing you mercy, then he is teaching you through suffering. Take up your cross and suffer for he has also suffered. Learn from your suffering, rather don't walk back into sin because there is now no condemnation for those in Christ. A sinner doesn't know God nor does he know what sin is until he is spiritually awakened by God through the Holy Spirit and his Word. Rather the sinner is already condemned. John 3:18.

Sorry, I just typed that out without rereading it, but yes I do know God doesn't "send" anyone, but it's us who make the choice. I was pointing out that if Satan and the fallen angels were to be in hell for eternity, why not people?

Very good, hell is the complete absence of God. God is eternal life/Satan is eternal death - God is joy/Satan is torment.

 

[Free]

It is straight forward because God does not lie or confuse people. We have the Holy Spirit to discern truth for us. There are many tanslations, but only one God speaking through the prophets. The argument here is based on Mark 9:48 & Isaiah 66:24, whether sinners burn in hell for eternity, when it's clear they do.

As I stated, no, it is not clear that they do. That's my whole point. It is a gray area. Firstly, there is biblical support that unbelievers will simply cease to exist. Secondly, there is also support that they will be in hell for eternity, but that they will not be in physical punishment for eternity.

It simply is not as clear as you are making it out to be. You simply cannot take two verses from the Bible as support for a certain doctrine and think you have proved something.

 

[Guest]

As I stated, no, it is not clear that they do. That's my whole point. It is a gray area. Firstly, there is biblical support that unbelievers will simply cease to exist. Secondly, there is also support that they will be in hell for eternity, but that they will not be in physical punishment for eternity.

Show me the scriptures that say unbelievers will cease to exist or not be in physical punishment for eternity.