Did Jesus Rise On Sunday ?

[tim-from-pa]

Regarding Christ's birth and death, I had another thread where I calculated those years very accurately based on 3 things:

1. Born mid-September at the feast of Trumpets (Revelation 12:1)
2. Lived 414.5 lunar months or exactly 12,240 days. For those who are into Great Pyramid prophetic chronology, that number is given exactly in the Christ Triangle. But not everyone is matured to the point of accepting that second witness (Isaiah 19:19-20), so I know I had to make sure the bible indicated that for the skeptics. Indeed, I used the bible and calculated out 414.5 lunar months and actually, to the very day of 12240 (this is 34 prophetic years of 34 x 360).
3. With the Mid-September constraint as well as 12,240 days, it means that Christ, on the year he died, would have been around late March. Also, he had to die on a Wednesday.

Only one year fits that well and to my amazement came to Wednesday March 24, 34AD. No other year, be it a Thursday or Friday crucifixion day satisfied the 12,240 number of days because these years that those dates seem to have fallen later in April. Also, from 26-36AD, 34AD seems to be the only year that satisfied a Wednesday Nisan 14. An interesting circumstantial thought came to my mind for an earlier crucifixion in March was that we remember Peter had to warm himself by the fire. The barley could have been ripened enough, but still a tad earlier in the season to possibly have a cool night.

SIr Isaac Newton, my favorite theologian in my avatar, also added the study and chronology of historical sources to ascertain his death date, and he favored 34AD also. I agree with him, although he was caught in the Friday crucifixion belief so the only difference is he believed Christ was crucified a month later (30 days after Wednesday would bring us to a Friday) in April.

So, both history and mathematics/astronomy seem to favor that year. One can believe the year they want, but it's the only year and time that fits those 3 criteria above. The only way around that is to debunk one (or any) of those 3 criteria above. But if they are accepted, then I think I have the date nailed.

What's interesting, is I'm one of the very few that flaunt those dates around. Google it and you will come to basically only my comments mainly in this or other forums. It's been hidden for some reason to others. I mean, what are the chances that those 3 criteria would work out so perfectly in such as short span of history?

 

[tobewell]

Another source dating the Crucifixion according to astronomical records of blood moons and long lasting darkness over Jerusalem:

http://www.tyndalehouse.com/TynBul/Library/TynBull_1992_43_2_06_Humphreys_DateChristsCrucifixion.pdf

 

[4afaithfulone]

Did Jesus Rise On Sunday ? I have not talked about this here in years, so what say you ?

How did Jesus die on Friday and rise on Sunday and is said to have been dead for 3 days?

The popular story of Jesus being crucified on Good Friday and his resurrection taking place on Sunday has unfortunately become part of modern day Christianity. If you have an NIV bible open it to Matthew 12:40 and discover the true story. Jesus said, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Now turn to John 11:9 and read this rhetorical question by Jesus, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight?" By putting these two verses together we see Jesus establishes he would spend in the heart of the earth 36 hours (3x12) for day and 36 hours (3x12) for night. Therefore, we know the three days and three nights he spoke of in Matthew 12 would have to equal 72 hours.

http://www.answers.com/Q/How_did_Jesus_die_on_Friday_and_rise_on_Sunday_and_is_said_to_have_been_dead_for_3_days[/QUOTE]

Jesus being the Passover Lamb that the Jews have rehearsed for century's was to be examined for blemishes/flaws, slain, roasted and eaten before the next morning. Pilate pronounced that he found no fault in Jesus:
Luke 23:14 Said unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people: and, behold, I, having examined him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him:
KJV
In the garden, at evening, when Jesus was handed over into the hands of man to suffer hell and torment being roasted for our sakes, that was the first Evening. Evening dawns or begins a new day on the Jewish calendar, so while it was on a Wednesday evening as we know it that he entered into hell which he never experienced until that night, it was now considered Thursday the 1st evening, Thursday day the 1st day, Thursday evening was Friday the 2nd evening, Friday day the 2nd day, Friday evening was Saturday evening, the 3rd evening, and the Sabbath or 7th day of the week had began and they placed Jesus in the tomb just before the sunset, Saturday day was the 3rd day and at the end of the Sabbath or 7th day, came Mary to the tomb just at the dawn of the new day of the WEEK at sundown and Jesus had already risen and later in the evening of Saturday began Sunday in which Jesus came and stood in the midst of the disciples. While it is called the first day of the week at sundown Saturday, it is still the 7th day on our Gentile calendar until midnight. Jesus had to arise on Saturday, the day after preparation day. He is our Bread of Life, He is the Door, His blood is for our salvation. The 7th day is always the day of Rest since God created the world. So when we come together Saturday evening as the disciples did, we are still keeping the 7th day sabbath according to the Gentile calendar which ends at midnight, even if it is the first day of the week at sundown on Jesus' Jewish calendar. Notice that when God forsook His Word and the Word died, God resurrected him as our new covenant and the Stone of Old Covenant Law was rolled back from the Door so that many could come in and seek salvation.

Matt 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
KJV
John 20:18-19
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
KJV
Blessings

 

[4afaithfulone]

Regarding Christ's birth and death, I had another thread where I calculated those years very accurately based on 3 things:

1. Born mid-September at the feast of Trumpets (Revelation 12:1)
2. Lived 414.5 lunar months or exactly 12,240 days. For those who are into Great Pyramid prophetic chronology, that number is given exactly in the Christ Triangle. But not everyone is matured to the point of accepting that second witness (Isaiah 19:19-20), so I know I had to make sure the bible indicated that for the skeptics. Indeed, I used the bible and calculated out 414.5 lunar months and actually, to the very day of 12240 (this is 34 prophetic years of 34 x 360).
3. With the Mid-September constraint as well as 12,240 days, it means that Christ, on the year he died, would have been around late March. Also, he had to die on a Wednesday.

Only one year fits that well and to my amazement came to Wednesday March 24, 34AD. No other year, be it a Thursday or Friday crucifixion day satisfied the 12,240 number of days because these years that those dates seem to have fallen later in April. Also, from 26-36AD, 34AD seems to be the only year that satisfied a Wednesday Nisan 14. An interesting circumstantial thought came to my mind for an earlier crucifixion in March was that we remember Peter had to warm himself by the fire. The barley could have been ripened enough, but still a tad earlier in the season to possibly have a cool night.

SIr Isaac Newton, my favorite theologian in my avatar, also added the study and chronology of historical sources to ascertain his death date, and he favored 34AD also. I agree with him, although he was caught in the Friday crucifixion belief so the only difference is he believed Christ was crucified a month later (30 days after Wednesday would bring us to a Friday) in April.

So, both history and mathematics/astronomy seem to favor that year. One can believe the year they want, but it's the only year and time that fits those 3 criteria above. The only way around that is to debunk one (or any) of those 3 criteria above. But if they are accepted, then I think I have the date nailed.

What's interesting, is I'm one of the very few that flaunt those dates around. Google it and you will come to basically only my comments mainly in this or other forums. It's been hidden for some reason to others. I mean, what are the chances that those 3 criteria would work out so perfectly in such as short span of history?

True, Jesus was born on the Feast of Tabernacles, being God with us, our E-manual or The Word of God that raises us up in the likeness of him. That is why there were no rooms in the Inn for Mary to have Jesus. He being the Word of life, was placed in the manger(animal trough ) for a reason. We have become as beasts in our fallen state, he is our manna from heaven to restore us unto life when we feed upon his body, so that we no longer walk in life on all fours like beasts, but can begin to walk upright in integrity on two straight legs, no longer crooked behavior, but in the image of God as He made us in the beginning.

Rev. 12:5 is not Jesus telling John of his fleshly birth again, but of the birth of the son's of God whom will be the man child/One new man of many members, born in the image of Christ. This is what we call the rapture of the elect being Caught up to God's throne to rule and reign with Christ. It will be on a Feast of Tabernacles, where their earthly tents/bodies/tabernacles have been torn down in the twinkling of an eye to their heavenly bodies. There are only 3 events in the Bible where the term Caught up is used and they all refer to heaven. Jesus ascended up, these in Rev. 12:5 are caught up quickly! And Satan thrown down to earth.

2 Cor 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. KJV

1 Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. KJV

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
KJV

 

[tim-from-pa]

Another source dating the Crucifixion according to astronomical records of blood moons and long lasting darkness over Jerusalem:

http://www.tyndalehouse.com/TynBul/Library/TynBull_1992_43_2_06_Humphreys_DateChristsCrucifixion.pdf

That date is only if he was crucified on a Friday, but that was one of my points, and the points of several here that this would not fulfil the 3 days and 3 nights criteria.

Just as people get obsessed with finding planetary positions of various sorts for his star of Bethlehem as it is called, likewise they seem to think there had to be this lunar eclipse right at the time of his death. I would only call a lunar eclipse circumstantial evidence not solid just as the shepherds out in the fields at night is circumstantial as to the time of the year. Usually they bring the sheep in by December, but there are exceptions, so I never use that to prove he was born September either.

BTW, Revelation 12:1 is depicting the feast of Trumpets, not Tabernacles, but since they are only 2 weeks away I won't ding anyone as having a major discrepancy in the birth time frame.

 

[Gregg]

Did Jesus Rise On Sunday ? I have not talked about this here in years, so what say you ?

I haven't read every post and do not know if someone has posted this verse: "But on the first of the week, Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, darkness yet being on it . And she saw the stone had been removed from the tomb" (John 20:1, also Mt 28:1, Mk 16:2, Lk 24:1).

How did Jesus die on Friday and rise on Sunday and is said to have been dead for 3 days?

The Hebrew day begins in the evening. A day is spoken of as an evening and a morning; whether or not it was a portion of a day or the full 24 hours. When counting multiple days, the Hebrew counted a portion of a day as a full day. This reconciliation of the Hebrew day does not conflict with any verses describing the length of Jesus' burial as three days - John 2:19, Mat 12:40 [see Jonah 1:17], Mk 8:31, Lk 11:29-30.

So Christ died and was buried on a Friday, before the evening hour when the Sabbath begins [about 6:00 PM], on the sixth day of the week - one day. The Sabbath began that evening hour; the seventh day of the week - day two. Jesus was resurrected from the dead the following day; the first day of the week - day three.

 

[Sinthesis]

I haven't read every post and do not know if someone has posted this verse: "But on the first of the week, Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, darkness yet being on it . And she saw the stone had been removed from the tomb" (John 20:1, also Mt 28:1, Mk 16:2, Lk 24:1).


The Hebrew day begins in the evening. A day is spoken of as an evening and a morning; whether or not it was a portion of a day or the full 24 hours. When counting multiple days, the Hebrew counted a portion of a day as a full day. This reconciliation of the Hebrew day does not conflict with any verses describing the length of Jesus' burial as three days - John 2:19, Mat 12:40 [see Jonah 1:17], Mk 8:31, Lk 11:29-30.

So Christ died and was buried on a Friday, before the evening hour when the Sabbath begins [about 6:00 PM], on the sixth day of the week - one day. The Sabbath began that evening hour; the seventh day of the week - day two. Jesus was resurrected from the dead the following day; the first day of the week - day three.

That is the conventional view that I imagine most of us held originally. I still hold that Jesus was resurrected some time on the Jewish first day of the week, which for us would be between sundown Saturday night and Mary's visitation right around sunrise Sunday morning.

 

[Deborah13]

BTW, Revelation 12:1 is depicting the feast of Trumpets, not Tabernacles, but since they are only 2 weeks away I won't ding anyone as having a major discrepancy in the birth time frame.

? Please elaborate on Rev 12 being the feast of Trumpets.

 

[TOG]

I haven't read every post and do not know if someone has posted this verse: "But on the first of the week, Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, darkness yet being on it . And she saw the stone had been removed from the tomb" (John 20:1, also Mt 28:1, Mk 16:2, Lk 24:1).


The Hebrew day begins in the evening. A day is spoken of as an evening and a morning; whether or not it was a portion of a day or the full 24 hours. When counting multiple days, the Hebrew counted a portion of a day as a full day. This reconciliation of the Hebrew day does not conflict with any verses describing the length of Jesus' burial as three days - John 2:19, Mat 12:40 [see Jonah 1:17], Mk 8:31, Lk 11:29-30.

So Christ died and was buried on a Friday, before the evening hour when the Sabbath begins [about 6:00 PM], on the sixth day of the week - one day. The Sabbath began that evening hour; the seventh day of the week - day two. Jesus was resurrected from the dead the following day; the first day of the week - day three.

I've asked for it before, but nobody has been able to give me a source for this claim. Besides, even if you somehow manage to convince yourself that they counted the last half hour or so before sunset on Friday as a full day, then you still only have two days (Friday and Saturday). The women came to the tomb while it was still dark on Sunday morning, and Jesus had already risen. Sunday cannot, therefore, be counted as the third day he was in the tomb. Also, you only have 2 nights - Friday night and Saturday night. You still end up with only 2 days and 2 nights, but Jesus said he would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights. Where's the 3rd day and night?

The TOG​

 

[Gregg]

That is the conventional view that I imagine most of us held originally. I still hold that Jesus was resurrected some time on the Jewish first day of the week, which for us would be between sundown Saturday night and Mary's visitation right around sunrise Sunday morning.

Yes, our Sunday being the Hebrew 1st day of the week. Thanks, I should have specified that in my post.

 

[Gregg]

I've asked for it before, but nobody has been able to give me a source for this claim. Besides, even if you somehow manage to convince yourself that they counted the last half hour or so before sunset on Friday as a full day, then you still only have two days (Friday and Saturday). The women came to the tomb while it was still dark on Sunday morning, and Jesus had already risen. Sunday cannot, therefore, be counted as the third day he was in the tomb. Also, you only have 2 nights - Friday night and Saturday night. You still end up with only 2 days and 2 nights, but Jesus said he would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights. Where's the 3rd day and night?

The TOG​

There are some Hebrew Christians here on this forum. Just ask them about the Jewish reconciliation of a day, or I will type their names here, and perhaps they will apply:
Jocor, Shimshon, Deborah13, and more.

 

[Deborah13]

There are some Hebrew Christians here on this forum. Just ask them about the Jewish reconciliation of a day, or I will type their names here, and perhaps they will apply:
Jocor, Shimshon, Deborah13, and more.

No, I have never been of Judism. I find a richness there though and turn there for insights. Truly I have never seen in Jewish writings where a partial day was counted as a full evening to evening. But that doesn't mean it's not there.
Really the one to ask would be jasonc , his father was raised Jewish.

 

[jasonc]

nor have I. I haven't a clue whom to ask. my dad might know that. but I believe that tog is a messianic gentile. its not like I know more then he does.

 

[tim-from-pa]

? Please elaborate on Rev 12 being the feast of Trumpets.

The sun is in the midst of Virgo -- at Christ's time was mid-September. The moon under her feet means Libra, or new moon. A new month always started at new moon. And, we know that seventh month started around September, so this is the astronomical position describing the feast of Trumpets. The position is not that rare, BTW, but due to the moon's period (synodic month) the next year it may be earlier, and the following year maybe later due to intercalation, or to put it another way, the next seventh month new moon may be when the sun is more at VIrgo's head, or again, maybe at her feet, neither of which is "clothed with the sun". But it does happen often, just not yearly.

 

[tim-from-pa]

There are some Hebrew Christians here on this forum. Just ask them about the Jewish reconciliation of a day, or I will type their names here, and perhaps they will apply:
Jocor, Shimshon, Deborah13, and more.

You forgot me.

I'm not Messianic Jewish, but my beliefs to the mainline Gentile Christian sounds like I mix Judaism into my faith by keeping the feasts for example.

Earlier I posted why "3 days and 3 nights" meant 72 hours and not parts of days, although I agree that sometimes that is the case, Jesus clarified it was not the case regarding his death and resurrection. Just look for my Sir Isaac Newton avatars and you'll find some of my comments.

 

[Deborah13]

The sun is in the midst of Virgo -- at Christ's time was mid-September. The moon under her feet means Libra, or new moon. A new month always started at new moon. And, we know that seventh month started around September, so this is the astronomical position describing the feast of Trumpets. The position is not that rare, BTW, but due to the moon's period (synodic month) the next year it may be earlier, and the following year maybe later due to intercalation, or to put it another way, the next seventh month new moon may be when the sun is more at VIrgo's head, or again, maybe at her feet, neither of which is "clothed with the sun". But it does happen often, just not yearly.

Thanks for the explanation. :nod
Everything that God has done by signs in His creation correlating with His word is just so amazing. It is a witness of Him as the Creator and His power.

 

[jocor]

There are some Hebrew Christians here on this forum. Just ask them about the Jewish reconciliation of a day, or I will type their names here, and perhaps they will apply:
Jocor, Shimshon, Deborah13, and more.

As I understand it, the phrase, "three days and three nights," is a Hebrew idiom that is not to be understood literally.

This type of counting, that would include any part of a day as a whole day, is called "inclusive reckoning." An example of this is found in the counting of the days to Pentecost. Lev 23:16 specifically says to "number fifty days," however, the feast begins as soon as the fiftieth day begins, not after the fiftieth day is ended. The count of sabbatical years leading to Jubilee is also inclusive reckoning. The "Jewish Encyclopedia," Vol.4, pg.474, confirms this method of reckoning time. It reads, "A short time in the morning of the seventh day counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though, of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day."

According to the Rabbis who lived close to the time of Messiah, "A day and a night make an "Onah" (natural day), and a part of an "Onah" is as the whole" (Rabbi Eliezar Ben Azariah). Rabbi Ismael also computes part of the Onah for a whole. Therefore, Messiah may truly be said to have been in the grave three Onoth, or three natural days, even though the greatest part of the first day had expired and the greatest part of the third day was yet to occur. For "a part of an Onah" is, according to the traditional way of reckoning time in Israel, considered a whole day.

 

[Gregg]

As I understand it, the phrase, "three days and three nights," is a Hebrew idiom that is not to be understood literally.

This type of counting, that would include any part of a day as a whole day, is called "inclusive reckoning." An example of this is found in the counting of the days to Pentecost. Lev 23:16 specifically says to "number fifty days," however, the feast begins as soon as the fiftieth day begins, not after the fiftieth day is ended. The count of sabbatical years leading to Jubilee is also inclusive reckoning. The "Jewish Encyclopedia," Vol.4, pg.474, confirms this method of reckoning time. It reads, "A short time in the morning of the seventh day counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though, of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day."

According to the Rabbis who lived close to the time of Messiah, "A day and a night make an "Onah" (natural day), and a part of an "Onah" is as the whole" (Rabbi Eliezar Ben Azariah). Rabbi Ismael also computes part of the Onah for a whole. Therefore, Messiah may truly be said to have been in the grave three Onoth, or three natural days, even though the greatest part of the first day had expired and the greatest part of the third day was yet to occur. For "a part of an Onah" is, according to the traditional way of reckoning time in Israel, considered a whole day.

Thank you for lending your experience, and confirming that a portion of a day or of a night may be reconciled as a full day. So, if Jesus was crucified on the 6th day of the week [our Friday] and resurrected on the following 1st day of the week [our Sunday], then is true that the Son of Man was three days and three nights in the heart of the earth (Mat 12:40), although two of those days were portions only.

 

[Gregg]

Did Jesus Rise On Sunday ? I have not talked about this here in years, so what say you ?

How did Jesus die on Friday and rise on Sunday and is said to have been dead for 3 days?

The popular story of Jesus being crucified on Good Friday and his resurrection taking place on Sunday has unfortunately become part of modern day Christianity. If you have an NIV bible open it to Matthew 12:40 and discover the true story. Jesus said, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Now turn to John 11:9 and read this rhetorical question by Jesus, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight?" By putting these two verses together we see Jesus establishes he would spend in the heart of the earth 36 hours (3x12) for day and 36 hours (3x12) for night. Therefore, we know the three days and three nights he spoke of in Matthew 12 would have to equal 72 hours.

In Goshen, the blood of the Passover lamb was put onto the doorposts on the 14 day of the month, the 6th day of the week. Christ was crucified on the 14th day of the month, fulfilling the Passover to the day. "And it shall be for you to keep until the fourteenth day of this month. And all the assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it between the evenings. And they shall take from the blood, and put it on the two side doorposts and on the upper doorpost, on the houses in which they eat it" (Exo 12:6-7).

 

[TOG]

Thank you for lending your experience, and confirming that a portion of a day or of a night may be reconciled as a full day. So, if Jesus was crucified on the 6th day of the week [our Friday] and resurrected on the following 1st day of the week [our Sunday], then is true that the Son of Man was three days and three nights in the heart of the earth (Mat 12:40), although two of those days were portions only.

Imagine that you have paid for a short vacation, and the brochure said that it was supposed to last 3 days and 3 nights. You arrive at the vacation spot just before sunset on Friday night. Saturday night the tour guide reminds everybody that the plane leaves at 6 AM the next morning (Sunday). Would you consider that to have been 3 days and 3 nights, or would you, as I suspect, want a refund, because they didn't deliver what was promised?

The TOG​