GodsGrace
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Couldn't agree more.
I find it difficult to understand why some don't realize that everything bad goes back to the force of evil.
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Divine Healing; Why some don’t get healed
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I find it difficult to understand why some don't realize that everything bad goes back to the force of evil.
We live in this day and age. "Death" entered the world through the one mans sin.
OP=>Divine Healing; Why some don’t get healed
Clearly than that which needs to be healed or changed is "mortality."
Jesus is about that business.
The progression of evil continued though. Hearts were hardened.
Several interventions by God gave the opportunity to slow sin.
Punishment shows the wrath of God.
Adam and Eve removed from garden
Cain marked for punishment
Noah’s flood
Babel dispersion
Wilderness punishment
Law of Moses had discipline.
Death related to kings of Israel
Death due to idol worship
The solution:
Sins of world placed on Jesus
1Peter 2:24
The dominion of sin is broken by faith in Christ Jesus. Not every sin is stopped, but the dominion of sin can stop in Christ.
At the last trump the final change happens.
eddif
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
I don't remember if you're the member that believes we get sick due to nature/being part of t h is world.
Whereas I think everything goes back to the evil around us.
And how did Jesus go about the business of changing mortality?
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
I agree with the above.
The DOMINION of sin is broken by faith in Jesus.
When we become born again and decide that we wish to follow God and not the evil one,
our sin nature becomes dominated by the Holy Spirit, and though we may still sin at times,
it is our nature to not want to.
I don't know why we agree at times and not at other times.
We seem to be saying the same thoughts in different posts.
No matter.
I thought you would understand what I meant.
Anyway
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
1 Corinthians 15:53 kjv
53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Corinthians 12:9 kjv
9. To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
Gifts of healings:
Well it only took 40 years.
I have looked at healings (plural).
What I majored in was divine healing. )speak the word)
My major interest lately is the little book healing (which I am working on a way to start a thread).
The surprising thing I am finally running into is the very few possible medical healing. Healings that come from word of knowledge and word of wisdom (almost hidden).
Covid has sent me into a redneck medical search.
What I am saying is not expected to be understood at this time, but I am working on it.
This post is about incorruption and immortality. These two are separated one from the other.
Any comments from others? Any medical comments? Any spiritual comments? Everyone may already know all these things.
Passing from one existence to another? Here and in the life to come?
Mississippi redneck
eddif
2 Peter 1:5 kjv
5. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6. And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7. And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
Beri beri is a deficiency disease. Thiamine is the needed vitamin. Barley eaten with polished rice, will prevent beri beri.
The treatment for our fallen condition requires a lot of supplements.
eddif
5. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6. And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7. And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
Beri beri is a deficiency disease. Thiamine is the needed vitamin. Barley eaten with polished rice, will prevent beri beri.
The treatment for our fallen condition requires a lot of supplements.
eddif
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
If I understood, I wouldn't be questioning your statement !
I can be slow at times.
And no, I do not believe that we will never die.
We will die.
Our body will die.
This is one of the curses Adam brought upon us.
But our soul and spirit will live forever.
In that sense, we will never die.
(not sure what this has to do with healing).
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
I'll say this:
Lourdes (in France) has reported thousands of miraculous healings.
The CC, since it supports Lourdes as being a true happening) has investigated some of these healings.
When the CC investigates something, it really does a good job of it.
Back when I was reading about this (quite a few years by now, so the numbers may have changed) of all the reported healings, about 70 were deemed to be real and miraculous.
So, yes, miraculous healings do happen.
I just don't believe that a healing happens because we ask for it.
If that's how it worked, we'd all always be healed.
Dorothy Mae
Member
Is that a good thing to tell the sick? You’ll be healed…..either in this body or you’ll die and get the next body. Will that comfort them that they might just die soon from their illness and God calls that “healing” too?
When they came to Jesus for healing, did some of them die on the spot and the crowd was excited cause that was healing too?
Brother and sister, we are promised we can pray for the a d that they can RECOVER not die as a result.
Dorothy Mae
Member
I don’t know a lot about healing but I know more than many, having prayed for and received or saw others receiving healing to include the lame walking.
In general it’s easier where there is great faith. I don’t meant positive thinking. I mean the assured thinking that the spiritual world is real. The west has been gutted of this knowledge although it’s creeping back in in Hinduism both in and outside the church.
People are sick for different reasons and so healings or hold-ups for healing are for different reasons. But you’ll never learn by reading books. One has to participate in these spiritual becoming in the flesh matters.
1 Corinthians 12:11 kjv
11. But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
So healing is complex.
Dead Lazarus (in the grave) was called out of death back to life). Lazarus (in Abraham’s bosom?), was called back to life. No wonder when Jesus preached to those in prison, they believed, they had seen the dead leave their company before.
All this is way beyond us. Not our will, but the will of God.
When my back pain was so bad I could not even get on my knees to crawl 40 years ago). I walked finally to the MDs office and refused to be put in traction. Did not take pain meds, because of side effects.
When I had an isocyanate reaction, and could only wheeze, i got better.
Surely the will of God is greater than our will. Jesus did the will of the Father.
It would be easier to hide quietly in silence. Not to even mention things that happen. All I know is once I could not crawl, but now walk. Three weeks ago I was on crutches for 4 days, but now I just finished getting a small 10’ x 12’ 120 sq ft pad for a concrete slab (on a sloped area). For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, but his mercy is with us.
Mississippi redneck
eddif
As I stated what needs to be healed is our mortality. Healing of our bodies only extends the life in the flesh which will die. Hezekiah was healed by God but in that only given 15 more years in the body.
As Jesus highlighted the flesh counts for "nothing". Spirit is considered by Him as "life"
So in the context He stated those who believe in Him though they die YET shall they live and never die.
In the same context Jesus never dies. He was put to death only in regard to the "flesh" but was alive in regard to the Spirit"
I think we are only the same page I just see as Jesus states.
Deuteronomy 19:15 kjv
15. One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
Matthew 9:6 kjv
6. But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
Witnesses:
Creation
Word of God
Word of Jesus
Apostles under inspiration of holy Spirit
Healing helps support belief in forgiveness of sins.
eddif
I am aware of in Christ there is no sin and His authority. Nobody here doubts Gods ability to heal flesh. It just doesn't seem to be the norm in this day and age. So why is it not happening to me is that its not His will to do so not a lack of faith in Him or His abilities. To me Jesus can heal when He was on earth and in heaven at the point of His "Will". He wills and the Spirit acts. The Father wills and the Spirit acts.
"Which is easier to state?"
For which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise and walk’?
I believe in Him. I am sure many here believe in Him. Its by that faith in Him we are saved. Its not a lack of faith. We believe He lives and is at the right hand of power with all made subject to Him. Not meaning the Father. He hears our prayers and is aware of everything going on in our lives. He knows answers even before we ask. Nothing is hidden from Him.
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
I agree.
Jesus healed to show that He had authority from God Father....to show His power so that man could believe He was the awaited Messiah.
Do not fear those that could kill the body....but them that can kill the soul.
Matthew 10:28
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
Did I state that I say this to the sick?
That would be kind of mean.
Nobody is preaching "indifference" from Christ in regard to those seeking aid in health issues. He answers prayers in accordance to His will not ours. Such answers could be to steer you to doctors and medicines and/or the love and grace of God to get through the bodies failings. Jesus loves and cares for us. He died for us. He answers prayers. He is concerned and understands by experience life in the "flesh". He is never "indifferent" to our sufferings.
Dorothy Mae
Member
But how can one have one theology in the head, one set of answers, but have a different theology or set of answers you actually tell people?