We are shielded by Gods love/power from the spiritual forces of evil. The one in us is greater than the one in the world. I don't believe if I get sick it was caused by a spiritual force of evil but is caused by a "biological" agent such as a virus. Our bodies are mortal and are biological in nature. They are subject to illnesses. Of course from a spiritual outlook the spirit is life and the flesh counts for nothing.
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Divine Healing; Why some don’t get healed
- Thread starter JLB
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I live next to Louisiana Cajun country.
In conversation with a Cajun expect:
Arm waving
Excitement
The Cajun foot shuffle
That ain’t how it are
No
You just don’t get it do you?
I know what to do
I am used to it.
Let er rip.
Bunch of Pentecostals around here too. The most famous line I get is (you just need to come hear our preacher).
I want to say so bad (I want to talk to you about many things).
I fit right in to it all.
Mississippi redneck
eddif
In conversation with a Cajun expect:
Arm waving
Excitement
The Cajun foot shuffle
That ain’t how it are
No
You just don’t get it do you?
I know what to do
I am used to it.
Let er rip.
Bunch of Pentecostals around here too. The most famous line I get is (you just need to come hear our preacher).
I want to say so bad (I want to talk to you about many things).
I fit right in to it all.
Mississippi redneck
eddif
The garden was very good.
Perfect?
The virus was Lucifer
The infected one was the serpent
The infection went to Eve
Adam got too close and got the virus too.
Jesus is the answer.
Covid has taught us a lot about all this. You have to get pretty deep to learn though. Transcriptase and reverse transcriptase at the very least.
eddif
Ezekiel 28:12 kjv
12. Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Lots of symbolism. Lucifer the way Satan thinks.
Really another thread, but the influence that prevents healing.
eddif
Dorothy Mae
Member
She totally doesn’t get what I said. Did you tell her I had apologized for my error? That is, I lost. Or did you leave that bit out?
The problem is, some of the things you write are so disconnected from the post you are addressing, it’s hard to know what to say.
It’s actually pretty simple. WIP, said something I misunderstood. He supplied more info and I understood. You made some philosophical matter out of it.
My wife and I were discussing the boxes people have in Hebrews 11.
You were not in the discussion.
When I got to verse 36 or so she sees me as being negative about life.
WIP and I may (may?) rank and parallel things in a similar way. See exactly alike? I doubt we are exactly alike.
The (seed is the word of God) seems disconnected from a logical conversation on / about spiritual life.
I understand the connection you fail to see. I am limited in who I am. I get it. There is the reality that the disciples did not understand the need / reason for parables.
The need / reason for understanding sickness / healing is needed. If one sees Jesus as the solution for sickness, then the source for spiritual healing must be Jesus.
Two levels / contexts one concept.
eddif
Our bodies were designed by God. There is no separation between spiritual and biological that God is not aware of.
Jesus healed the people so that they might seek him for spiritual problems (caused by Satan). This process was really started after Jesus finished his work, and sent his quickening spirit.
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GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
Start it Ed,Philippians 2:13 kjv
13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Revelation 3:20 kjv
20. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Sinoatrial node - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Hidden man of heart. (Symbol)
Of course some say that the natural pacemaker looks different, and I agree. However, the nerve trunks look different, but the concept is the
Same. When looking at symbolism you have to understand (imagery is not always easily seen).
The seed is the word of God. Written in the seed are instructions for growth and new seeds.
Want to start a thread?
eddif
Tag me in.
Jethro Bodine
Member
Perhaps it's more a matter of 'when' he heals, not 'if'?
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
I think about this a lot...
Not sure what THIS is...
Jesus conquered.
John 16:33
Fear not, I have conquered the world.
But we still have trouble and get sick.
What has Jesus conquered?
I know, but it's difficult to explain.
I hate trying...
Everyone will be healed when Christ returns and his kingdom manifests in its fullness. However, not all will be healed while they live on this earth prior to their death.
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
I like to say that everyone gets healed.
Either they get back to good health,
or they die.
That is a healing too, for one that believes in the afterlife.
Jesus asked the Father to protect us from the evil one. So is it a biological reason we get ill or a spiritual force of evil?
I think Jesus healed out of love and compassion and as a witness that showed He was who He claimed to be.
3 John 1:1 kjv
1. The elder unto the wellbeloved Gaius, whom I love in the truth.
2. Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
This is to one brother (masculine singular - Strong).
Starting with the garden.
Because of sin:
The serpent had problems
Eve suffered
Adam had briars to deal with
At a point? Did disease come from sin changing an organism or something spring up (like briars).
First problem started in conversation mind, will emotions that led to physical change.
So?
We should work on our believing first.
If our believing gets bad sickness may be an indicator.
If our believing gets better the return of health would be in order.
Confusion is not the order of the day.
It appears that sickness would not be paired with good mind, will, emotions.
You asked a redneck.
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Edward
2024 Supporter
You are correct Sister. When sin entered the world the earth and all it's inhabitants went under a curse. All illness falls under that curse, whether by self will sin or demonic oppression, oh and or the evil of the world (our food).
It all traces back to the original sin.
Edward
2024 Supporter
I heard a healing testimony one time where am older lady was totally healed from cancer. And somewhere down the line she asked God, why did I get cancer? And she said the Lord told her that it was a seed of bitterness in her heart towards someone she never forgave. And it grew into a root of bitterness within her heart over the years and then showed the fruit of the root bitterness to manifest as cancer. So she must forgive that person or the cancer will return.
So she forgave them. Forgive and you will be forgiven. Not forgiving is a sin. The fruit of sin is death.
So she forgave them. Forgive and you will be forgiven. Not forgiving is a sin. The fruit of sin is death.
You stated =>There is no separation between spiritual and biological
Jesus=>My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.
That suggests to me sickness of the body has a biological cause as the children of God are under Gods protection from the evil one.
Sin
Psalms 73:3 kjv
3. For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.
King David had troubles.
He considered the wicked
Found they had no problems
Became jealous
Observed they were suddenly
gone without making changes.
King David was directed in his life by
Rod and staff. Good and bad in his life directed him in the way he should go.
The ungodly had no direction in life.
I am looking for another scripture passage.
eddif
Since I would have to quote a whole chapter I will do one verse and let you read the chapter.
Psalms 73:3 kjv
3. For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.
King David had troubles.
He considered the wicked
Found they had no problems
Became jealous
Observed they were suddenly
gone without making changes.
King David was directed in his life by
Rod and staff. Good and bad in his life directed him in the way he should go.
The ungodly had no direction in life.
I am looking for another scripture passage.
eddif
See also Job 21
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McDonalds is a agent of Satan??
Obesity , high blood pressure, diabetes, virus's, cancer
I see alot of health issues. I usually don't blame evil spirits. Many can look in the mirror for the responsible party for their state of health. Nobody forces the wrong kinds of foods in your mouth.