Divine Healing; Why some don’t get healed

[jerry63935]

By quickening spirit - a term I've never heard used - I would suppose that you mean that Jesus makes us alive.

quickening means to bring to life And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Ephesians 2:1

In the OT Jesus had not yet appeared as Savior - was He still a quickening spirit?
I ask because persons knew the Holy Spirit even in the OT but He did not dwell with them as in the NT.

yes the holy spirit was in the o.t He came up on people in today he dwell in us LOOK AT SAMSON JUDGES 16 HIS strength came from the Lord who gave it through the spirit .through Samson's obedience he was told not to cut his hair..
judges 16

17 That he told her all his heart, and said unto her, There hath not come a razor upon mine head; for I have been a Nazarite unto God from my mother's womb: if I be shaven, then my strength will go from me, and I shall become weak, and be like any other man.

18 And when Delilah saw that he had told her all his heart, she sent and called for the lords of the Philistines, saying, Come up this once, for he hath shewed me all his heart. Then the lords of the Philistines came up unto her, and brought money in their hand.

19 And she made him sleep upon her knees; and she called for a man, and she caused him to shave off the seven locks of his head; and she began to afflict him, and his strength went from him.

20 And she said, The Philistines be upon thee, Samson. And he awoke out of his sleep, and said, I will go out as at other times before, and shake myself. And he wist not that the Lord was departed from him.

Genesis 6:3​

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”

 

[GodsGrace]

quickening means to bring to life And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Ephesians 2:1

yes the holy spirit was in the o.t He came up on people in today he dwell in us LOOK AT SAMSON JUDGES 16 HIS strength came from the Lord who gave it through the spirit .through Samson's obedience he was told not to cut his hair..
judges 16

17 That he told her all his heart, and said unto her, There hath not come a razor upon mine head; for I have been a Nazarite unto God from my mother's womb: if I be shaven, then my strength will go from me, and I shall become weak, and be like any other man.

18 And when Delilah saw that he had told her all his heart, she sent and called for the lords of the Philistines, saying, Come up this once, for he hath shewed me all his heart. Then the lords of the Philistines came up unto her, and brought money in their hand.

19 And she made him sleep upon her knees; and she called for a man, and she caused him to shave off the seven locks of his head; and she began to afflict him, and his strength went from him.

20 And she said, The Philistines be upon thee, Samson. And he awoke out of his sleep, and said, I will go out as at other times before, and shake myself. And he wist not that the Lord was departed from him.

Genesis 6:3​

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”

Thanks Jerry.


PS
I guess you can tell I don't read the KJV...
I think it's the only version that uses that phrase.

 

[Randy]

Do you believe the devil can make people sick?

Not the saints unless God "allowed" it. I see no reason for that to happen.

Jesus prayed for his then disciples and future disciples.
My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.

“My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

 

[WIP]

Yes I know what you are saying. But in real life, for some believers here (not a few) who have been christians for decades following Jesus and serving him and none of them say that they already got the greatest gift and that is enough. Some of them have pain. Some of them have very difficult struggles. How can telling them that they already have the greatest gift and physical healing is not as important? Seems pretty important to them and I can understand why.

I don't know why you think I am saying that physical healing is not important. I haven't said that at all. You are adding to what I have been saying. Physical healing is certainly important but if that is what one bases his/her faith in or on, they are mislead or misplacing their faith.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I don't know why you think I am saying that physical healing is not important. You are adding to what I have been saying.

I didn’t say you said it isn’t important. I said telling sufferers that salvation is the greatest gift that they already got some decades ago won’t comfort them. You have been adding and changing what I wrote.

 

[WIP]

I didn’t say you said it isn’t important. I said telling sufferers that salvation is the greatest gift that they already got some decades ago won’t comfort them. You have been adding and changing what I wrote.

Here's what you wrote in the post I referenced. I don't know how you expect that I would not see it as I did.

"How can telling them that they already have the greatest gift and physical healing is not as important?"

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Here's what you wrote in the post I referenced. I don't know how you expect that I would not see it as I did.

"How can telling them that they already have the greatest gift and physical healing is not as important?"

“Not as important” does not equal “not important.” Finding forgiveness and salvation for your soul is more important than feeding a wife and children but that doesn’t render feeding them “not important.”

 

[Dorothy Mae]

By quickening spirit - a term I've never heard used - I would suppose that you mean that Jesus makes us alive.
I've never thought of this.
In the OT Jesus had not yet appeared as Savior - was He still a quickening spirit?
I ask because persons knew the Holy Spirit even in the OT but He did not dwell with them as in the NT.

I like to learn new ideas that are biblical.

There were prophets of God who obviously had a quickening spirit of God knowing the hearts and deeds of men they couldn’t otherwise know. My personal view is the Holy Spirit was given to some like John or Elijah or Jeremiah, some from conception or birth or as a child even, but not generally. At Pentecost his spirit was poured out generously onto more. So it was no longer limited to prophets. But it’s just my personal opinion.

 

[WIP]

“Not as important” does not equal “not important.” Finding forgiveness and salvation for your soul is more important than feeding a wife and children but that doesn’t render feeding them “not important.”

Ahh. Foot in mouth.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Ahh. Foot in mouth.

No, you falsely accused me of saying something I did not say. You emphasize “more important” and fail to say physical healing is important. And when one is saved, healing at that point is more important as the other is long ago decided. This is the compassionate answer.

 

[GodsGrace]

Not the saints unless God "allowed" it. I see no reason for that to happen.

Jesus prayed for his then disciples and future disciples.
My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.

“My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

I'd say that God has to allow everything that happens.
But if you don't believe satan, or evil, causes sickness, then what does?

 

[Randy]

I'd say that God has to allow everything that happens.
But if you don't believe satan, or evil, causes sickness, then what does?

What put into motion virus's and bacteria that are harmful to us may have that root cause. (I don't know) But generally speaking mortal flesh is subject to accidents, illness, and death. And we know death entered the world because Adam and Eve sinned and were cast out of the garden. I would think Jesus's prayer for His Father to protect us from the evil one would cover evil causing us illness. A shield from above in that regard. But "biological" harmful agents do exist in the world. Mankind maybe be a cause as wells as chemicals and preservatives used in processed foods are consumed.

 

[GodsGrace]

What put into motion virus's and bacteria that are harmful to us may have that root cause. (I don't know) But generally speaking mortal flesh is subject to accidents, illness, and death. And we know death entered the world because Adam and Eve sinned and were cast out of the garden. I would think Jesus's prayer for His Father to protect us from the evil one would cover evil causing us illness. A shield from above in that regard. But "biological" harmful agents do exist in the world. Mankind maybe be a cause as wells as chemicals and preservatives used in processed foods are consumed.

I agree with the above and I won't continue to kill a dead horse because I think I'm not explaining myself properly.

IOW, virus ARE an evil.
The Garden was perfect and now it's been tarnished - or at least the world has. The Garden was protected...

Even if WE ourselves cause the illness somehow, it's still due to evil...the root cause is always evil.

To me everything is either good or bad,
good or evil.

I don't see any in-between.

 

[WIP]

No, you falsely accused me of saying something I did not say. You emphasize “more important” and fail to say physical healing is important. And when one is saved, healing at that point is more important as the other is long ago decided. This is the compassionate answer.

Yes. That is what I meant. I put my foot in my mouth. I'm surprised you didn't get that.

 

[eddif]

In the OT Jesus had not yet appeared as Savior - was He still a quickening spirit?
I ask because persons knew the Holy Spirit even in the OT but He did not dwell with them as in the NT.

I like to learn new ideas that are biblical.

Philippians 2:13 kjv
13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Revelation 3:20 kjv
20. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Sinoatrial node - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Hidden man of heart. (Symbol)

Of course some say that the natural pacemaker looks different, and I agree. However, the nerve trunks look different, but the concept is the
Same. When looking at symbolism you have to understand (imagery is not always easily seen).

The seed is the word of God. Written in the seed are instructions for growth and new seeds.

Want to start a thread?

eddif

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Yes. That is what I meant. I put my foot in my mouth. I'm surprised you didn't get that.

My apologies. I did not get it, but now I do. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[eddif]

My apologies. I did not get it, but now I do. Thanks for the explanation.

How do we get what we do not believe?

Hebrews 11 is a good example of the diversity of believers. The first 35 verses are about those who conquered.

Hebrews 11 verses 36 - 38 are about those who suffered.

Hebrews 11:39 kjv
39. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

The only way to wrap your mind around all this is so difficult that few get it.

Box A belief:
We conquer In Faith.
Box B belief:
We are conquered in Faith.

The physical life is not about conquering or being conquered, but about faith in God.

Romans 8:37 kjv
37. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

Jesus conquered for us. Give Jesus the credit. That statement is just hard to believe for some.

Asking me questions may not help a person understand.

eddif

 

[Dorothy Mae]

How do we get what we do not believe?

Hebrews 11 is a good example of the diversity of believers. The first 35 verses are about those who conquered.

Hebrews 11 verses 36 - 38 are about those who suffered.

Hebrews 11:39 kjv
39. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

The only way to wrap your mind around all this is so difficult that few get it.

Box A belief:
We conquer In Faith.
Box B belief:
We are conquered in Faith.

The physical life is not about conquering or being conquered, but about faith in God.

Romans 8:37 kjv
37. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

Jesus conquered for us. Give Jesus the credit. That statement is just hard to believe for some.

Asking me questions may not help a person understand.

eddif

You totally missed what I meant.

 

[eddif]

How do we get what we do not believe?

Hebrews 11 is a good example of the diversity of believers. The first 35 verses are about those who conquered.

Hebrews 11 verses 36 - 38 are about those who suffered.

Hebrews 11:39 kjv
39. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

The only way to wrap your mind around all this is so difficult that few get it.

Box A belief:
We conquer In Faith.
Box B belief:
We are conquered in Faith.

The physical life is not about conquering or being conquered, but about faith in God.

Romans 8:37 kjv
37. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

Jesus conquered for us. Give Jesus the credit. That statement is just hard to believe for some.

Asking me questions may not help a person understand.

eddif

LOL
My wife thinks you have to win. I think life is a mixture of winning and losing, and to be in Christ Jesus helps you transcend both situations.

When I include suffering she sees me as defeated.
Philippians 4:12 kjv
12. I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.

Most see Paul in dire need of some serious psychotic medication and psychological counseling. The book of Job has his wife counsel Job for his accepting suffering.

Why don’t we all get healed. We don’t all see the whole picture.
LOL

eddif

 

[eddif]

You totally missed what I meant.

My answer was not just to you. It is to help us all.

Just tell me what it means to you.

Just to hear I missed the point does not allow me to get inside your head.

This thread is about answering a question. Tell me like it are to you.

There are times we say too much and times we say to little.

eddif