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Divine Healing; Why some don’t get healed

But how can one have one theology in the head, one set of answers, but have a different theology or set of answers you actually tell people?
It's not a theology Dorothy.
Think of it....we all heal in one way or another.
1. We get well.
2. We are sick and must keep what we have - like Paul's thorn in the flesh.
3. We die.

I would speak this in a general conversation, but sick persons need hope, not theology.
I'll be you know the most asked question in Christianity...
Why does God allow this?

Well, there's no answer when you get right down to it.
 
It's not a theology Dorothy.
Think of it....we all heal in one way or another.
1. We get well.
2. We are sick and must keep what we have - like Paul's thorn in the flesh.
3. We die.
What about

4. God heals the body and we live on.
I would speak this in a general conversation, but sick persons need hope, not theology.
Well truth is really powerful.
I'll be you know the most asked question in Christianity...
Why does God allow this?

Well, there's no answer when you get right down to it.
Yes there is. But the question already assumes a contribution on Gods part I wouldn’t accuse Him of and expect an answer. IOW, accuse God of wrong, that is refusing to start with the premise that He is good, and you can expect no answer.

I never ask God why “He allowed something” because I’m not convinced He is actively deciding to “allow” evil. I ask Him why these things are happening AND what does He want me to do.
 
What about

4. God heals the body and we live on.

That was my number 1.

Well truth is really powerful.

Before you said a sick person should not be told by me that dying is a solution of the illness.
I posted that I don't do this.
Now you're telling me that the truth is powerful.

Which do you think is right?

Yes there is. But the question already assumes a contribution on Gods part I wouldn’t accuse Him of and expect an answer. IOW, accuse God of wrong, that is refusing to start with the premise that He is good, and you can expect no answer.

I never ask God why “He allowed something” because I’m not convinced He is actively deciding to “allow” evil. I ask Him why these things are happening AND what does He want me to do.
Dorothy, there is no answer as to why there is evil in the world.
The reformed state that God created evil.
But that is not the answer either.


If you don't think God is ALLOWING evil...then you don't believe He's sovereign.
A sovereign God could do anything He wishes to.
 
That was my number 1.
Not quite. You said we get well. I said God heals us. They aren’t the same thing.
Before you said a sick person should not be told by me that dying is a solution of the illness.
I posted that I don't do this.
Now you're telling me that the truth is powerful.
Dying isn’t healing.
Which do you think is right?
When God tells a man the truth about his illness, it’s powerful.
Dorothy, there is no answer as to why there is evil in the world.
Yea there is.
The reformed state that God created evil.
But that is not the answer either.
Well God created a group of angels who had free choice. They then invited in or instituted evil. God didn’t say, “let there be evil.”
If you don't think God is ALLOWING evil...then you don't believe He's sovereign.
He sovereignly gives man free choice and is not requiring we get approval for those choices. Biblical sovereignty is not micromanaging. That’s actually tyranny.
A sovereign God could do anything He wishes to.
But what He wishes to do is always good….morally good, among other admirable attributes.
 
Not quite. You said we get well. I said God heals us. They aren’t the same thing.

God always does the healing.

Dying isn’t healing.

Sure it is.
When you're dead, you're no longer sick.

When God tells a man the truth about his illness, it’s powerful.
God will have to tell the man...not me.

Yea there is.

Well God created a group of angels who had free choice. They then invited in or instituted evil. God didn’t say, “let there be evil.”

Why did they do evil?
If evil was AFTER they disobeyed and everything was perfect until then.

He sovereignly gives man free choice and is not requiring we get approval for those choices. Biblical sovereignty is not micromanaging. That’s actually tyranny.

But what He wishes to do is always good….morally good, among other admirable attributes.
God is all-good.
Which is why we don't understand where evil comes from.
And God does not micro-manage.
My point exactly about why He won't heal everyone - or even most of those who pray.
 
God always does the healing.
No, the amazing body is made such that a great of the time it heals itself. It’s astounding.
Sure it is.
When you're dead, you're no longer sick.
No one considers that healed. Mary and Martha didn’t hear that Lazarus was healed when he was dead.
God will have to tell the man...not me.



Why did they do evil?
They wanted to be worshipped like God. There are matters the angels are not allowed to do,
If evil was AFTER they disobeyed and everything was perfect until then.
To answer that takes more than the space available. Evil didn’t come to be at that point.
God is all-good.
Which is why we don't understand where evil comes from.
Because we are asking the wrong question.
And God does not micro-manage.
My point exactly about why He won't heal everyone - or even most of those who pray.
He won’t heal everyone because not everyone is obeying him. He requires done to do something first.
 
No, the amazing body is made such that a great of the time it heals itself. It’s astounding.

No one considers that healed. Mary and Martha didn’t hear that Lazarus was healed when he was dead.

They wanted to be worshipped like God. There are matters the angels are not allowed to do,

To answer that takes more than the space available. Evil didn’t come to be at that point.

Because we are asking the wrong question.

He won’t heal everyone because not everyone is obeying him. He requires done to do something first.
The body doesn't just heal itself.
God set up a world paradigm.
In that paradigm, it is possible for the body to heal itself.
It still comes from God.
All good things come from God.
James 1:17

The angels wanted to be worshipped like God.
That's a sin.
Sin is evil.
WHAT made the angels sin if evil was not in the world yet?

What is the right question?
 
The body doesn't just heal itself.
God set up a world paradigm.
In that paradigm, it is possible for the body to heal itself.
It still comes from God.
All good things come from God.
James 1:17

The angels wanted to be worshipped like God.
That's a sin.
Sin is evil.
WHAT made the angels sin if evil was not in the world yet?

What is the right question?
Ah the old naturalist .

We age,my eye sight isn't what it was .
My reflexes aren't as they were .even with exercise daily it doesn't stop the aging process but slows it down

My old karate instructor aged 64 can still drop into a split and Is in shape but he said he can't run at all as his knees have need for replacement.so he simply rides
 
Ah the old naturalist .

We age,my eye sight isn't what it was .
My reflexes aren't as they were .even with exercise daily it doesn't stop the aging process but slows it down

My old karate instructor aged 64 can still drop into a split and Is in shape but he said he can't run at all as his knees have need for replacement.so he simply rides
Can't argue with the above!

The great split:

 
The body doesn't just heal itself.
Yes it does. I was premed and it not only heals itself, we know how. It’s pretty amazing. The reason why a sick person sleeps a lot, for example, is so that the body can put all its effort into healing or fighting invaders.
God set up a world paradigm.
In that paradigm, it is possible for the body to heal itself.
It still comes from God.
All good things come from God.
James 1:17
We ought to distinguish between healing God organized in the garden and healing than occurs because He touches and heals outside of that amazing arrangement. It’s similar to “all babies are miracles” which they might mean “all babies are tremendously amazing” but doesn’t mean we don’t know how babies are made.
The angels wanted to be worshipped like God.
That's a sin.
Sin is evil.
WHAT made the angels sin if evil was not in the world yet?
I told you, the desire to be like God. They didn’t desire to sin. They desired a pleasure that wasn’t allowed because it was a lie. Might as well ask why God made truth.

If we look at the creation story, we find that God used energy to make matter, which is actually comprised of energy. He did not create concepts. He did not create virtues or vices.
What is the right question?
Why do creatures choose to do evil is the right question. Our own inner workings a d the Bible tells us it’s because we desire pleasures in a wrong way. Or “you want and don’t have, you don’t have because you don’t ask, you ask and don’t receive because you ask with wrong motives.”
 
Not quite. You said we get well. I said God heals us. They aren’t the same thing.
This is not an attack.
It is an excellent opportunity to look at healing vs avoidance vs medication. (Not the same things)

Old Testament if we confess sins and turn from then there are benefits.
2 Chronicles 7:14

I am gluten intolerant. If I avoid gluten I appear to be well.

Diabetics appear normal on insulin.

There is a difference in genetic healing and avoidance. Being born blind and made to see is a miracle.

Help me out here. I have a limited
amount of medical knowledge.

Epigenetic switch change may be better understood by some.

I think we really need to expand what you said.

eddif
 
This is not an attack.
Didn’t think it was.
It is an excellent opportunity to look at healing vs avoidance vs medication. (Not the same things)

Old Testament if we confess sins and turn from then there are benefits.
2 Chronicles 7:14

I am gluten intolerant. If I avoid gluten I appear to be well.

Diabetics appear normal on insulin.

There is a difference in genetic healing and avoidance. Being born blind and made to see is a miracle.

Help me out here. I have a limited
amount of medical knowledge.

Epigenetic switch change may be better understood by some.

I think we really need to expand what you said.

eddif
Not sure what to expand on.
 
The body doesn't just heal itself.
God set up a world paradigm.
In that paradigm, it is possible for the body to heal itself.
It still comes from God.
All good things come from God.
James 1:17

The angels wanted to be worshipped like God.
That's a sin.
Sin is evil.

WHAT made the angels sin if evil was not in the world yet?

What is the right question?
@Dorothy

What made the angels sin if sin was not in creation yet?
 
2 Peter 1 describes the divine nature. Without all the parts through and including the love of God, we may fail to see much divine healing.

eddif
 
@Dorothy

What made the angels sin if sin was not in creation yet?
Wondering, God didn’t create good, love, courage, kindness or evil, hate, murder, or thievery. You can read Genesis through and through or Job and you’ll find God made matter, not the non-material.

He did not create concepts or morals. He created light not darkness. Do you see what I mean?
 
Wondering, God didn’t create good, love, courage, kindness or evil, hate, murder, or thievery. You can read Genesis through and through or Job and you’ll find God made matter, not the non-material.

He did not create concepts or morals. He created light not darkness. Do you see what I mean?
No. I don't see what you mean.

Are you actually saying God did NOT create morals?
Then whose morals are we following if not His?

You told me you know how or why evil is in the world.
I'm telling you we don't know.
You insist that you know.
So please inform us of why there is evil in the world.

You said the angels fell.
So did man.

So where was the evil if evil was still in the tree of Good and Evil?
 
Wondering, God didn’t create good, love, courage, kindness or evil, hate, murder, or thievery. You can read Genesis through and through or Job and you’ll find God made matter, not the non-material.

He did not create concepts or morals. He created light not darkness. Do you see what I mean?
This is too far off topic.
I'm starting a thread...
 
No. I don't see what you mean.

Are you actually saying God did NOT create morals?
Then whose morals are we following if not His?

You told me you know how or why evil is in the world.
I'm telling you we don't know.
You insist that you know.
So please inform us of why there is evil in the world.

You said the angels fell.
So did man.

So where was the evil if evil was still in the tree of Good and Evil?
Start a new thread as you suggest.
 
I’ve heard that God always heals believers. Sometimes there are instant miracles. Sometimes healing happens on earth and it’s gradual. All true believers are fully healed and transformed in heaven…

And all earthly miracles pale in comparison to that except for the resurrection.
 
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