DO NOT BE SURPRISED (A Word Of Warning For The Time To Come)

[JLB]

Angles don't marry humans or have sexual intercourse with humans.

Angels are created eternal beings, they do not maintain human sperm to fertilize human women.

Sir, you will need to do better that just state your opinion, a “theory” of your imagination, in the face of the overwhelming truth from the scriptures I presented to you.


You haven’t even discussed the scriptures from the New Testament writers or the precepts from the Old Testament.

Angels of God have the liberty to manifest in this realm as men who have flesh, in which the partake of the natural human function such as eating natural food and drinking natural drink.

The are indistinguishable from any other human man.

So much so, the Bible warns us -

Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels.


I gave you the incident in Sodom to show you this as well as these two “men” or angels seem to be with the Lord in other places of the Bible, which indicates that these have a position with His to stand with Him as Lord of the whole earth.

These two angels “witnessed” the greatest event for Mankind, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, as they were there with Him through it all, even most likely when He descended into the heart of the earth and where there in the tomb when the other “witness” came to His tomb on that glorious day.

This fulfills, the principle of let every truth be established out of the mouth of “two or three” witnesses.


11 Then I answered and said to him, “What are these two olive trees—at the right of the lampstand and at its left?” 12 And I further answered and said to him, “What are these two olive branches that drip into the receptacles of the two gold pipes from which the golden oil drains?”

13 Then he answered me and said, “Do you not know what these are?”

And I said, “No, my lord.”

14 So he said, “These are the two anointed ones, who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth.” Zechariah 4:11-14


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These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. 6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire. Revelation 11:4-6





JLB

 

[Jacks Bratt]

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[for_his_glory]

Isaiah 8:13-15
Sanctify the Lord of hosts himself;
and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
And he shall be for a sanctuary;
but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel,
for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken,
and be snared, and be taken.

Isaiah 8:16-18
Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.
And I will wait upon the Lord,
that hideth his face from the house of Jacob,
and I will look for him.
Behold, I and the children whom the Lord hath given me
are for signs and for wonders in Israel
from the Lord of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

Isaiah 8:19-22
And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits,
and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter:
should not a people seek unto their God?
for the living to the dead?
To the law and to the testimony:
if they speak not according to this word,
it is because there is no light in them.
And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry:
and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves,
and curse their king and their God, and look upward.
And they shall look unto the earth;
and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish;
and they shall be driven to darkness.




1 Peter 2:8
And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.


The blind stumble about at the word, looking for the devil everywhere.

There is a big difference between looking for evil and being aware of the evil that we are taught of by the very words of Christ.

 

[JLB]

Now I don't know what temple that you are looking for, or whose man of sin, but the temple of the Lord that remains hidden within me, why it was already dedicated with one such sacrifice.

Please explain how the man of sin will be revealed from within the temple within you.

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4


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8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8


The way he will be revealed is that he will go to the Temple of God, and proclaim himself as God, and by all manner of lying signs and wonders to deceive.



So please explain how a flesh and blood "man" who claims to be God, can get inside your heart, the Temple of God.




JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

I disagree that the literal "Two Witnesses" that will maintain physical bodies, come after the 7th Trump, as this trump is the end of this world. Revelation 11:15

The 7th Trump and 7th Vial are the same event of the end of this world, parallel teachings.

Revelation 11:15KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 16:17KJV
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Christians nor anybody else will be forced into taking the mark of the beast, they willfully will be deceived into this by the false prophet, through false miracles, as seen in Revelation 19:20 below.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

The entire 3.5 year tribulation will be controlled by the "Two Witnesses", they will stand before the beast/antichrist as Moses And Aaron stood before Pharoh of Egypt, all plagues upon the world, as often as they will.

The plagues will only fall on those that are not sealed by the Holy Spirit, Revelation 9:3-6 below, the world will be tormented by these witnesses through plagues, seeking death for 5 months, not being able to die.

Who's commanding the "Locust", not to hurt the green vegetation and sealed believers, not the Beast/Antichrist

The Lord Jesus Christ Is The Commander!

Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

You suggest the beast/antichrist is in control, not hardly.

The Lord God Jesus Christ Is In Control Of The Tribulation, He That Has An Ear, Let Him Hear!

Those that move to harm the believer will in return be harmed, open your ears to God's divine protection of the believer!

Revelation 13:9-10KJV
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

You can believe as you will as I will not argue it, but I stand by what I said in post #157 according to how it is presented in the scriptures. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, but truly believe it to be this way especially when scripture does not literally name the two witnesses.

 

[for_his_glory]

Sons of God is used many times in scripture to refer to men (not angels) such as Genesis 5:1, 2 and Luke 3:38 calling Adam the son of God. Adam was the first son followed by Seth and then his son Enos and the family began to call on God, Genesis 4:26. These are the first sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6. Sons of God have always been followers, believers and worshippers of God. Man was created in the image of God in His likeness for the purpose of having dominion over the earth and to multiply the earth as male and female created he them, Genesis 1:26-28. Nowhere does it say that angels were involved with multiplying or having any dominion over the earth as Matthew 22:30 and Mark 12:25 makes it clear that angels do not marry nor are given in marriage so in fact they also can not procreate.

Those sons of God in Job 1:6; 2:1 that presented themselves before the Lord are followers of God just as Moses followed and worshipped God and was called of God to present himself before Him on mount Sinai, Exodus 34:2. Read Job 1:6 again. It says Satan came also among them when they went to present themselves before the Lord. This means Satan was there like he is with all of Gods children to try and buffet them. If you go back to vs. 5 you read that it was Job who sent his sons (sons of God) to go and be in the presence of the Lord that God would sanctify them. Satan, being a spirit that Job's sons could not see came amongst them as a buffer trying to interfere with God sanctifying them. When God asked Satan where he came from he said from going to and fro in the earth and from walking up and down in it.

If you break down Genesis 6:1-8 You can see that those sons of God were not angels as angels are spirit and can not procreate nor are given in marriage, Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25. 1Corinthians 15:39, 40 states that men are men, animals are animals, fish are fish and angels are angels. There is no scripture which would even remotely lead us to believe angels had sex with women or that Giants were born of them.

It was men who began to multiply on earth, Godly and ungodly men (not angels) and daughters were born unto them. The sons of God, Godly line of Seth, took them wives of the daughters of the ungodly line of Cain and choose wives from them. These daughters were more likely ungodly women being from the line of Cain and not of Seth. This is why God said my spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh.

Genesis 6:4 speaks of giants being in the land, but never mentions that they took them wives of the daughters of men, buy says that when the sons of God (Godly line of Seth) came unto the daughters of men (Cain’s ungodly line) they bare children to them. These same children (from the line of Cain) became mighty men (giants) which were of old (before the flood) and men of renown in the sense that they were the ungodly princes, the conquerors, the heroes of those days and also after the flood being born from the line of Ham through his son Canaan, Genesis 9:20-27.

They were called giants in the sense that they were very tall men in stature such as Og in Joshua 12:4 Goliath was a Philistine of great stature (giant) being a descendant of the Anakim, 2 Samuel 21:15-22 Numbers 13:3-33 the spies were sent out and came back with a report which included them seeing the sons of Anak who were Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai which come from giants as the spies looked like grasshoppers compared to the size of these men. Anakim are a race of giants descended from Anak. They dwelt in the south of the land of Canaan, near Hebron, Josh. 15:13. According to Genesis 14:5-6 the Rephaims who were giants in whom Og, the King of Bashan, was one of the last survivors of the Rephaim inhabited the region afterwards known as Edom and Moab in the days of Abraham.

 

[Edward]

It's the same in all the threads where this topic is discussed. Some believe it, some don't, and I don't think anyone ever sways their thinking based on these threads.

It'll be the same in this thread. BUT! The good thing to come out of these threads is...the background story of the nephilim that will stick in our Brothers and Sisters minds. So one day in these end times the nephilim will show themselves openly.

So if you do ever see a giant you'll know who and what it is...and that you really have nothing to fear from it or them because we are in Christ and have been given authority over such beings in the name of the Lord.

Same thing with the demonic aliens.

 

[Truth7t7]

Sons of God is used many times in scripture to refer to men (not angels) such as Genesis 5:1, 2 and Luke 3:38 calling Adam the son of God. Adam was the first son followed by Seth and then his son Enos and the family began to call on God, Genesis 4:26. These are the first sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6. Sons of God have always been followers, believers and worshippers of God. Man was created in the image of God in His likeness for the purpose of having dominion over the earth and to multiply the earth as male and female created he them, Genesis 1:26-28. Nowhere does it say that angels were involved with multiplying or having any dominion over the earth as Matthew 22:30 and Mark 12:25 makes it clear that angels do not marry nor are given in marriage so in fact they also can not procreate.

Those sons of God in Job 1:6; 2:1 that presented themselves before the Lord are followers of God just as Moses followed and worshipped God and was called of God to present himself before Him on mount Sinai, Exodus 34:2. Read Job 1:6 again. It says Satan came also among them when they went to present themselves before the Lord. This means Satan was there like he is with all of Gods children to try and buffet them. If you go back to vs. 5 you read that it was Job who sent his sons (sons of God) to go and be in the presence of the Lord that God would sanctify them. Satan, being a spirit that Job's sons could not see came amongst them as a buffer trying to interfere with God sanctifying them. When God asked Satan where he came from he said from going to and fro in the earth and from walking up and down in it.

If you break down Genesis 6:1-8 You can see that those sons of God were not angels as angels are spirit and can not procreate nor are given in marriage, Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25. 1Corinthians 15:39, 40 states that men are men, animals are animals, fish are fish and angels are angels. There is no scripture which would even remotely lead us to believe angels had sex with women or that Giants were born of them.

It was men who began to multiply on earth, Godly and ungodly men (not angels) and daughters were born unto them. The sons of God, Godly line of Seth, took them wives of the daughters of the ungodly line of Cain and choose wives from them. These daughters were more likely ungodly women being from the line of Cain and not of Seth. This is why God said my spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh.

Genesis 6:4 speaks of giants being in the land, but never mentions that they took them wives of the daughters of men, buy says that when the sons of God (Godly line of Seth) came unto the daughters of men (Cain’s ungodly line) they bare children to them. These same children (from the line of Cain) became mighty men (giants) which were of old (before the flood) and men of renown in the sense that they were the ungodly princes, the conquerors, the heroes of those days and also after the flood being born from the line of Ham through his son Canaan, Genesis 9:20-27.

They were called giants in the sense that they were very tall men in stature such as Og in Joshua 12:4 Goliath was a Philistine of great stature (giant) being a descendant of the Anakim, 2 Samuel 21:15-22 Numbers 13:3-33 the spies were sent out and came back with a report which included them seeing the sons of Anak who were Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai which come from giants as the spies looked like grasshoppers compared to the size of these men. Anakim are a race of giants descended from Anak. They dwelt in the south of the land of Canaan, near Hebron, Josh. 15:13. According to Genesis 14:5-6 the Rephaims who were giants in whom Og, the King of Bashan, was one of the last survivors of the Rephaim inhabited the region afterwards known as Edom and Moab in the days of Abraham.

Good post of truth, I agree 100%!

 

[Truth7t7]

It's the same in all the threads where this topic is discussed. Some believe it, some don't, and I don't think anyone ever sways their thinking based on these threads.

It'll be the same in this thread. BUT! The good thing to come out of these threads is...the background story of the nephilim that will stick in our Brothers and Sisters minds. So one day in these end times the nephilim will show themselves openly.

So if you do ever see a giant you'll know who and what it is...and that you really have nothing to fear from it or them because we are in Christ and have been given authority over such beings in the name of the Lord.

Same thing with the demonic aliens.

No such thing as angels having sexual relations with human beings, the teaching is found in Pagan Mythology.

 

[Edward]

No such thing as angels having sexual relations with human beings, the teaching is found in Pagan Mythology.

You can't prove that by scripture.

You haven't even offered an alternative interpretation to Genesis 6 scriptures. You'd do this for your Brothers and SIsters who are mislead about it, being the long saved Christian Brother that you say you are. Out of love for them.

I'm not going to respond to mere opinion anymore that has no scriptural support.

...and if you ever see a giant, remember. ..you have authority over it in Jesus's Name...

 

[for_his_glory]

There is no scripture that says who these witnesses will be.
We can do some deductive reasoning though, based on scripture.
The bible says "It is appointed unto men, once to die".
The witness are human as they will be killed at one point.
The witness are sent... so they must not be appointed from those still alive on the earth.
There are only two humans...ever... who have left this earth without dying. They are Enoch and Elijah.
This is why most people believe that these two will be the witnesses... when they die... they will fulfill scripture that says each man is appointed a human death.

Hebrews 9:27 King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Sorry, but Elijah and Enoch are asleep in their graves.

Enoch, Moses, Abraham and Elijah were not taken up to the third Heaven as some teach as when they were seen (not Enoch or Abraham) of Peter, James and John in Matthew 17:1-9 it was only a transfiguration like a vision that they saw Jesus transfigured as was Moses and Elijah. There is no one in the third heaven except God, Jesus and the angels, John 3:13. Everyone that has ever died is asleep in their grave and when Christ returns they will hear His voice as He calls all of them to come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation, John 5:28, 29. It is only our spirit/breath/soul that goes back to God who gave it, Genesis 2:7; Ecc 12:7.

Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Does not say Enoch was taken up to heaven, but that he was only translated that he should not see death at that particular time of his life and that he was not found. Should not see death means since Enoch walked with God he would not see the second death, Rev 20:6, but only that of the first death, Hebrews 9:27, as all his days were three hundred and sixty as he died, but no one knows where.

2Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (Heaven here means atmosphere, first heaven)

Elijah, having ascended into the air by a whirlwind was carried away out of sight beyond the horizon. Several years after he was taken away King Jehoram received a letter from him. (2Chron 21:12). Now the wickedness of Jehoram, for which he was being rebuked in the letter, took place after Elijah was taken away, yet the letter speaks of these things as past events, and the punishment to come upon him as yet future. So the idea of some, that Elijah wrote the letter before he was removed by the whirlwind, is proved wrong.

 

[Truth7t7]

Sorry, but Elijah and Enoch are asleep in their graves.

Enoch, Moses, Abraham and Elijah were not taken up to the third Heaven as some teach as when they were seen (not Enoch or Abraham) of Peter, James and John in Matthew 17:1-9 it was only a transfiguration like a vision that they saw Jesus transfigured as was Moses and Elijah. There is no one in the third heaven except God, Jesus and the angels, John 3:13. Everyone that has ever died is asleep in their grave and when Christ returns they will hear His voice as He calls all of them to come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation, John 5:28, 29. It is only our spirit/breath/soul that goes back to God who gave it, Genesis 2:7; Ecc 12:7.

Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Does not say Enoch was taken up to heaven, but that he was only translated that he should not see death at that particular time of his life and that he was not found. Should not see death means since Enoch walked with God he would not see the second death, Rev 20:6, but only that of the first death, Hebrews 9:27, as all his days were three hundred and sixty as he died, but no one knows where.

2Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (Heaven here means atmosphere, first heaven)

Elijah, having ascended into the air by a whirlwind was carried away out of sight beyond the horizon. Several years after he was taken away King Jehoram received a letter from him. (2Chron 21:12). Now the wickedness of Jehoram, for which he was being rebuked in the letter, took place after Elijah was taken away, yet the letter speaks of these things as past events, and the punishment to come upon him as yet future. So the idea of some, that Elijah wrote the letter before he was removed by the whirlwind, is proved wrong.

No scripture even hints at the possibility that Enoch & Elijah are sleeping in a grave, wherever that might be.

We disagree

 

[Jacks Bratt]

Sorry, but Elijah and Enoch are asleep in their graves.

Enoch, Moses, Abraham and Elijah were not taken up to the third Heaven as some teach as when they were seen (not Enoch or Abraham) of Peter, James and John in Matthew 17:1-9 it was only a transfiguration like a vision that they saw Jesus transfigured as was Moses and Elijah. There is no one in the third heaven except God, Jesus and the angels, John 3:13. Everyone that has ever died is asleep in their grave and when Christ returns they will hear His voice as He calls all of them to come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation, John 5:28, 29. It is only our spirit/breath/soul that goes back to God who gave it, Genesis 2:7; Ecc 12:7.

Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Does not say Enoch was taken up to heaven, but that he was only translated that he should not see death at that particular time of his life and that he was not found. Should not see death means since Enoch walked with God he would not see the second death, Rev 20:6, but only that of the first death, Hebrews 9:27, as all his days were three hundred and sixty as he died, but no one knows where.

2Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (Heaven here means atmosphere, first heaven)

Elijah, having ascended into the air by a whirlwind was carried away out of sight beyond the horizon. Several years after he was taken away King Jehoram received a letter from him. (2Chron 21:12). Now the wickedness of Jehoram, for which he was being rebuked in the letter, took place after Elijah was taken away, yet the letter speaks of these things as past events, and the punishment to come upon him as yet future. So the idea of some, that Elijah wrote the letter before he was removed by the whirlwind, is proved wrong.

I disagree.

Nowhere is it stated that Enoch or Elijah died a normal earthly death. Their bodies are in no grave, anywhere.

 

[for_his_glory]

No scripture even hints at the possibility that Enoch & Elijah are sleeping in a grave, wherever that might be.

We disagree

This is for you and Jacks Bratt.

Nowhere in scripture does it say they were taken up to the third heaven where God sits on His throne. Enoch was only translated, but never says where God took him to. Same with Elijah who was caught up in a whirlwind. A whirlwind is also know as a tornado that comes down from the first heaven being the atmosphere. How could King Jehoram receive a letter from Elijah several years later if he was in the third heaven with God. If they are both in heaven this would make Jesus a liar as He said, And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven John 3:13

 

[Truth7t7]

This is for you and Jacks Bratt.

Nowhere in scripture does it say they were taken up to the third heaven where God sits on His throne. Enoch was only translated, but never says where God took him to. Same with Elijah who was caught up in a whirlwind. A whirlwind is also know as a tornado that comes down from the first heaven being the atmosphere. How could King Jehoram receive a letter from Elijah several years later if he was in the third heaven with God. If they are both in heaven this would make Jesus a liar as He said, And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven John 3:13

I don't know where Enoch & Elijah are, as scripture does not reveal this truth.

I don't push any teaching they are in any known place, heaven or otherwise.

The scripture strongly suggest that they didn't experience a physical, human death.

For this reason I believe they will be the "Two Witnesses" literal Prophets returned.

You believe "Two Witnesses" represent preaching Nations of saved people, I disagree.

 

[for_his_glory]

I don't know where Enoch & Elijah are, as scripture does not reveal this truth.

I don't push any teaching they are in any known place, heaven or otherwise.

The scripture strongly suggest that they didn't experience a physical, human death.

For this reason I believe they will be the "Two Witnesses" literal Prophets returned.

You believe "Two Witnesses" represent preaching Nations of saved people, I disagree.

By reason of the letter Elijah wrote to King Jehoram in 2 Chronicles 21:12 several years after the whirlwind took him up to only the first heaven, not the third, and the fact that Enoch was only translated, but never says where God translated him to, I have to believe they have both died. Let us not forget what Jesus said in John 3:13.

I don't want to argue or debate this and you can certainly believe what you want, but I have never seen any facts they were taken up to the third heaven where God sits on His throne.

 

[JLB]

The entire scripture declares "The Man Of Sin" to be a literal human man.

I agree.

To claim this represents a spirit in human man is a false teaching.

As the scripture itself states?

"Let No Man Deceive You By Ant Means"

Your looking at the deception, as man tries to remove this future literal human man.

I agree.


He will go to the newly rebuilt temple to proclaim himself as God.





JLB

 

[JLB]

How can the flesh and blood man of sin son of perdition antichrist person sit in this newly built third temple, that you are calling the Temple of God. If this MAN OF SIN is sitting in God's temple SHOWING HIMSELF that he is God, then doesn't the Lord then first need to appear in order to consecrate and dedicate this temple? How can you call a newly built temple "God's" if Christ himself didn't build it and the Lord himself did not consecrate it?

The Temple of God is what Paul called it.

The Temple is the place of strong delusion that God is sending to those who don’t not love the truth.

The false messiah will work false signs and lying wonders to deceive those who do not let be the truth; who reject Jesus as the Messiah and are looking for their own messiah, in which they claim that if they build the Temple he will come.

• And for this reason God will send them strong delusion,

And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:8-12

because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.



Please explain to us how all this is taking place within a flesh and blood Christian who is the Temple of God.



JLB

 

[JLB]

2 Thessalonians 2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

How should the wicked come to repentance to be destroyed so that they might be born of the Spirit and come to the knowledge of His Glory?

Why would you think the antichrist will come to repentance?


He is destroyed by the brightness of the Lord’s coming.

• destroy with the brightness of His coming.

8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders.
2 Thessalonians 2:8-9


Notice that the coming of the lawless one is according to Satan.

Please explain how this man of sin does signs and wonders inside Christian’s rather than from the temple in Jerusalem?


JLB

 

[Razeontherock]

Did Jesus not say to be ye as children?

Matthew 18:3
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Children don't spend their time establishing the doctrines and traditions of men, nor do they attempt to justify their beliefs according to those doctrines; instead children are known to question those doctrines.




I'm sorry, but I believe that you have a poor attitude about this. Your making demands that I answer you not because you want to know what this veil is, but your waiting impatiently so you can sit in judgement over the word that I speak. But how can one hear the word of God when they are sitting in judgement over it?

I will tell you what this second veil is, the veil that keeps the reading of the old testament hidden unto this very day. I will give you the scripture that identifies this veil, but if your heart is not ready to receive it, then it shall remain hidden from you.

2 Cor 3:12-16
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.


The vail that is upon their hearts, even unto this very day, is NOT the vail that was rent in a Temple of stone that no longer stands. The vail that remains upon their hearts and keeps their minds blinded when the old testament is read is the "flesh" of Christ. When you worship for a God the image of a man, then the vail shall remain upon the heart. The very first commandment says you shall make no image, for God is Spirit; but you shall remain blinded when you hold in your heart the image of a man for a God.


Romans 1:21-22
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,



Hebrews 9:3
And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

Hebrews 10:19-20
Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

His flesh is the veil that concealed the WORD, but that temple was destroyed.

2 Cor 3:15-17
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Jesus' flesh is the new and living way, THROUGH the veil, TO God.

You are being abusive to your Sister, and Jesus spoke parables about that.

You're also teaching heresy.

I do hope that you are inclined to cease and desist both bad habits, beginning immediately.