Bible Study Do we love the truth!

[JLB]

The apostles are not the “tradition of men” but it is of divine origin and command of Jesus Christ!
Matt 28:19

The scripture is the truth.

There are many apostles.

 

[donadams]

The scripture is the truth.

There are many apostles.

How does scripture say for us to know the truth?

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error

thks

 

[Hopeful 2]

No just two

...natural birth...water...Spirit.
I know the natural birth is from water.
The Spiritual rebirth is from God.
You are trying to separate natural from mom's water.

 

[JLB]

How does scripture say for us to know the truth?

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error

thks

Obeying His Doctrine; teaching


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9


If I were you, I would discard the catechism and read and obey the Bible.

 

[donadams]

...natural birth...water...Spirit.
I know the natural birth is from water.
The Spiritual rebirth is from God.
You are trying to separate natural from mom's water.

Jn 3:5 still says born again of both water and the spirit

Try and explain away Jn 3:22

22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

 

[donadams]

Obeying His Doctrine; teaching


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9


If I were you, I would discard the catechism and read and obey the Bible.

What is the bible?

 

[JLB]

What is the bible?

Scripture; the doctrine of Christ.

The teaching of Christ, our Rabbi, our Teacher.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Jn 3:5 still says born again of both water and the spirit

It is written..."3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (John 3:3,5)

Jesus listed both births.
The original birth is of mom's amniotic fluid-water.
Born again is of the Spirit.

Try and explain away Jn 3:22
22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

What is there to explain?
At a different time and place, Jesus's disciples baptized folks unto repentance from sin.

 

[donadams]

Scripture; the doctrine of Christ.

The teaching of Christ, our Rabbi, our Teacher.

What is the content cannon of scripture?
What authority says so?

 

[donadams]

It is written..."3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (John 3:3,5)

Jesus listed both births.
The original birth is of mom's amniotic fluid-water.
Born again is of the Spirit.

What is there to explain?
At a different time and place, Jesus's disciples baptized folks unto repentance from sin.

all one context

John prepared the way by “water baptism”! Jn 1
Old Testament prefigures baptism! Jn 2
Jesus says “water baptism” Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 right away they practice ((Jn 3:5)) and baptized Jn 3:22
Jn 4:1 baptism
apostles say “water baptism” acts 2:38-39 acts 22:16 1 pet 3:20-21 God says “water baptism” ez 36:25-27

 

[donadams]

Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Matt 28:19 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 eph 4:30 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one faith, one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

Faith and baptism are required Mk 16:16 eph 4:5

Faith alone even all faith avails NOTHING! 1 cor 13:2

Not called to “faith alone” Phil 1:29

 

[donadams]

The biblical mandate of God’s work of creation!

Water and the spirit!

First creation:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

(water and the spirit)

Noah:

Gen 8:8 Also he sent forth a dove (representing the spirit) from him…

(Water and the spirit)

Red Sea:

Led thru the waters by the spirit.
Exodus 13:21
And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:

(Water and the spirit)

Josuha

Joshua and the people of Israel crossing of the Jordan led by the spirit.

Joshua 1:1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the Lord it came to pass, that the Lord spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses’ minister, saying, 2 Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel.

(Water and the spirit)

Prophecy of the new creation: (new covenant)

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you…
acts 2:38-39 “this promise” is fulfilled in the Christian sacrament of baptismal regeneration!

(Water and the Spirit)

Baptism of Jesus

Jn 1:31 I come baptizing with water. 32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

(Water and the spirit)

New creation by water and the spirit

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

(Water and the spirit)

Christian sacrament of baptismal regeneration is by: WATER AND THE SPIRIT!


No one is born again by:

“the spirit alone”!
Or
“Faith alone”!

Water AND the spirit is the biblical mandate!

 

[Hopeful 2]

all one context

John prepared the way by “water baptism”! Jn 1
Old Testament prefigures baptism! Jn 2
Jesus says “water baptism” Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 right away they practice ((Jn 3:5)) and baptized Jn 3:22
Jn 4:1 baptism
apostles say “water baptism” acts 2:38-39 acts 22:16 1 pet 3:20-21 God says “water baptism” ez 36:25-27

You are comparing birth from a mom with baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
How does this fit the topic of loving the truth ?

Those that love the truth will permanently repent of sin, and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.