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Does a genuine believer who stops believing and dies in that unbelief remain saved?

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reba said:
Does everyone who professes Christ become more Christlike?
Better said Does everyone who professes Christ continuously become more Christlike?
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Everyone is more Christlike when they are sitting on the front Pew during a service.
However, its what you do when you are alone and have no one watching, is what proves your "walk"
Or, its what you do when your suffering does not end, that will find you out.
Everyone shouts Hallelujah when the health and the money are plentiful, but when the hard times come, the bad times, the times you are not to blame but you are being harmed.....then we find out how much Jesus you are all about.
Right in there:)
 
Rollo Tamasi said:
For you JLB, I'll send you a free one with your name on it.
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I hate to be the one to tell you this, but those "tickets" you have are going to get you on the wrong train, going the wrong way.
 
Kidron said:
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Everyone is more Christlike when they are sitting on the front Pew during a service.
However, its what you do when you are alone and have no one watching, is what proves your "walk"
Or, its what you do when your suffering does not end, that will find you out.
Everyone shouts Hallelujah when the health and the money are plentiful, but when the hard times come, the bad times, the times you are not to blame but you are being harmed.....then we find out how much Jesus you are all about.
Right in there:)
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This post is not an answer to the question. .. I will not ask again as i accept the silence to the question as an answer.
 
reba said:
This post is not an answer to the question. .. I will not ask again as i accept the silence to the question as an answer.
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Are you going to answer my 3 questions i asked you earlier?
Still waiting...

And, to answer your question about becoming more "Christlike".
Paul said that it was not him who any longer lived but that Christ lived in him and through Him.
So, as Paul told us to "be followers of me as i follow Christ", then we are certainly supposed to become more like Christ the longer we follow them both.
We are over time, as we serve the Lord and grow in grace and learn the word, supposed to stop being babes in Christ and become the full stature of a Son of God.
Not too many do, Reba.....to be honest.

My experience is that most Christian people get lost in a few wrong scriptural ideas, get hung up for life in their denomination and its teaching, or become TV Prosperity Gospel addicts.
I believe in God prospering his Saints, i dont believe in the "Poverty Gospel"..... but i dont agree that the "Prosperity Gospel" is to ever become the main doctrine of any Preacher or Denomination as that is out of balance and creates greed in the hearts of Christians.

So, i would say that for the majority of Christians,.... they get saved, are on fire at first, then soon get trapped by what their favorite teacher leads them to believe and the more wrong it is, the more the cling to it like a life raft.
I personally think that Christians, in general, make the worst Christians.

Denominations are so often built on rigid and wrong theology that creates such divisions between believers that no one can get along with anyone unless they are in your denomination..
Ive noted for example that Pentecostals hate Baptists, Baptists hate Catholics, and Catholics think that anything that isnt sprinkled and confirmed in their "one true church" cult mentality is a cult.
And this is why i invite people to Jesus, but i dont invite them to Church, as depending on a bad decision they can make if they dont go to mine...., they can end up so locked up for life in some J-Witness Doctrine or Mormon Theological mind trap, so that they end up saved but useless for God's true service.
 
Kidron said:
Are you going to answer my 3 questions i asked you earlier?
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I have looked for your post with questions i do not see them in post #33
Posts # 95 and #106 are directed to WIP i did not see questions..
Post #119 was directed to Wrg 1405 and also not a question

Post #121 is directed at me i do not see a question

And i n Post #125 you ask me about 3 questions ... where are they ? Did skip a post?
 
Jethro Bodine said:
No, I didn't write any words into the text. That is quite literally what the verse says. What it does not say, or indicate, is whether or not these who left were always not of them and that's why they left. Check it out for yourself.


I'm aware that the so-called failure in faith in that particular version of OSAS does not mean they actually had faith to begin with. I'm just pointing out that for those who believe that the eventual outward, conscious display of having no faith means that person never had it in the first place means no one can be sure that what they think they have today really is saving faith, for tomorrow may be the day it gets revealed that it is not and, therefore, never has been. You can never know for sure if you're saved, or not while still in the body.

That's hardly a security or sureness of salvation that would give me comfort. But knowing that as long as I'm clinging to Christ for the forgiveness of sins at any one point in time that I possess the sure promise of salvation and eternal life, that is comforting and assuring and removes all doubt about whether I'm saved or not.
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good for you.
 
Cygnus said:
It says they had the KNOWLEDGE. It doesn't say they were saved then lost it.

They simply made a profession of the truth but never possessing the new life of Christ....later rejecting the truth.
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Peter says "after they have escaped the defilements of the world" (2 Peter 2:20 NASB). This indicates they were indeed saved. And Peter says earlier in the letter that this escape from the defilement/corruption of the world is what happens when you become a partaker of the divine nature:

4For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust." (2 Peter 1:4 NASB)
 
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Cygnus said:
good for you.
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Yes, that is very good for me.
The assurance of my salvation comes from my present trusting in Christ for the forgiveness of my sins, not from the so-called assurance of never knowing until I leave the body if my faith fails exposing me as never having 'really' believed in the first place.

In my doctrine, I know I am genuinely saved as long as I'm trusting in Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-2 NASB).
In your doctrine, you know that you are genuinely saved by whether or not your faith eventually gets exposed as having been fake all along by a failure of that faith. Which you can not know until you die. And that's supposed to be the doctrine of security? Really?
 
Cygnus said:
It says they had the KNOWLEDGE. It doesn't say they were saved then lost it.

They simply made a profession of the truth but never possessing the new life of Christ....later rejecting the truth.
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Are you teaching us that a person can be saved without the knowledge of the truth; without the knowledge of the Gospel?

How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? Romans 10:14

How would someone believe in Jesus Christ, if they have never had the knowledge of Him presented to them by a preacher?:nono

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 1 Timothy 2:3-5

again

For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Hebrews 10:26


JLB
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Peter says "after they have escaped the defilements of the world" (2 Peter 2:20 NASB). This indicates they were indeed saved. And Peter says earlier in the letter that this escape from the defilement/corruption of the world is what happens when you become a partaker of the divine nature:

4For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust." (2 Peter 1:4 NASB)
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It sounds like you need a little bit more detail.....Back up to verse 1 in the 2nd chapter. It starts out with "But false prophets also arose among the people," It is these false prophets that are spreading a false gospel showing people how to "escaped the defilements of the world"....Many will follow in their depravity, and because of them the way of the truth will be defamed. These false prophets "promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves to corruption." They believe they have "escape from the defilement/corruption of the world"...they are NOT saved, nor were they ever saved.
They profess to be christians...but return to their original ways.
 
JLB said:
Are you teaching us that a person can be saved without the knowledge of the truth; without the knowledge of the Gospel?

JLB
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I'm saying that people can have the knowledge of the truth....undertand the principals of christianity....and still not accept Christ.

Do you disagree?
 
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