Do you support OSAS(once saved always saved)?

[agua.]

Here's something to ponder.

What if people are born with their names already in the Book of Life and if a name is to be blotted out, it isn't removed until that individual takes his/her final breath?


2 Peter 3
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.


Think about it.
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I like this aside from

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

How does this fit with the idea Gaz ?

 

[Kathi]

We will care. It is our Lords Book, and we will probably be in Book of Life 101 for the first trillion years or so in Heaven. Then on to a trillion years of Book of Life 102. And we will enjoy every second of it.:yes

We will care ofcourse but obviously we were in that book.Those who should really,really be concerned are those who are not in that book.Can names be added? I will have to check that out.

 

[Kathi]

Do not get 'The Lamb's Book of Life" confused with the "Book of the Living" Psalm 69:28 and Exodus 32:32-33.David was referring to earthly,physical life,not eternal life in heaven.Every single person who was ever born on Earth will be in the "The Book of the Living".Only the ones who are saved are in the "Lambs book of life".

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Here's something to ponder.

What if people are born with their names already in the Book of Life and if a name is to be blotted out, it isn't removed until that individual takes his/her final breath?
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Maybe this is why...

"4 For whoever is joined with all the living (that is, still alive), there is hope..." (Ecclesiastes 9:4 NASB)

 

[Jethro Bodine]

We will care ofcourse but obviously we were in that book.Those who should really,really be concerned are those who are not in that book.Can names be added? I will have to check that out.

Chopper Dude's doctrine says 'no'.

 

[Kathi]

Chopper Dude's doctrine says 'no'.

Explain to me what you just said.That Chopper does not believe that so I should not either?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Why would a sovereign and omniscient God,who knows the end from the beginning, write a name in The Book of Life when He knows He will only have to erase it when that person eventually denies his faith?
Revelation 3:5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

In the parable of the unmerciful servant, which Jesus said is what we can compare the kingdom to, the King forgave the debt of the servant, even though he later reinstated the debt. Since the parable is to teach us kingdom principles concerning forgiveness, why did the King forgive him in the first place?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Explain to me what you just said.That Chopper does not believe that so I should not either?

The question was, "can names be added to the Book of Life?"

Not according to Chopper's doctrine that says believers are predestined before the foundation of the world. But then again, I think his doctrine says certain believers are predestined before the foundation of the world.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Someone is right.So why obsess over it?I guess we will find out soon enough.And we will not care at all.We will be too busy with our wonderful heavenly lives.

Which doctrine, OSAS, or non-OSAS, has the most potential to cause this to happen to someone?

"...the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes,12 and he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?’ And the man was speechless.13 Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’" (Matthew NASB)

It does matter what we're telling people. We want to be used of God to bring those who will believe into the kingdom, not be used to lead people, who weren't going to believe anyway, to their destruction through a doctrine that gave them a false comfort in a salvation they really did not have on the Day of Wrath.

 

[Chopper]

Here's something to ponder.

What if people are born with their names already in the Book of Life and if a name is to be blotted out, it isn't removed until that individual takes his/her final breath?


2 Peter 3
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.


Think about it.
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Yes, I guess that's how it works Gary, for the unbeliever, it's taken out, for the believer, it stays in. After thinking about the two books and then one book, I think the give away is the name being blotted out. If the Lambs book of life was one, why would a name be blotted out?

I like this aside from

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

How does this fit with the idea Gaz ?

The Scripture you are referring to is the beast. All who worship the beast.

 

[Kathi]

The question was, "can names be added to the Book of Life?"

Not according to Chopper's doctrine that says believers are predestined before the foundation of the world. But then again, I think his doctrine says certain believers are predestined before the foundation of the world.

There are many beliefs on doctrine in our Christian lives.I believe Chopper is a Calvinist.Anyway that is what he said.I am not Calvanist.

 

[Chopper]

The question was, "can names be added to the Book of Life?"

Not according to Chopper's doctrine that says believers are predestined before the foundation of the world. But then again, I think his doctrine says certain believers are predestined before the foundation of the world.

I believe that God predestines certain men and women to be saved, from before the foundations of the earth were laid. Others are added because of the "General Call" of the Gospel that reaches the lost and they respond and are saved.

NOW, The ones God predetermines to be saved can never loose their Salvation....BUT....Those who come thru the General Call, have to keep their faith in the Christ right up to the end, or they loose out. And some of those will be part of the great apostasy because they are deceived.

 

[Deborah13]

I like this aside from

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

How does this fit with the idea Gaz ?

At one time I thought that maybe everyone was written in at birth and taken out at death if they didn't receive the Lord.
But this verse makes it clear that there was/is/will be people who are alive and not written in the book.

 

[Deborah13]

I believe that God predestines certain men and women to be saved, from before the foundations of the earth were laid. Others are added because of the "General Call" of the Gospel that reaches the lost and they respond and are saved.

NOW, The ones God predetermines to be saved can never loose their Salvation....BUT....Those who come thru the General Call, have to keep their faith in the Christ right up to the end, or they loose out. And some of those will be part of the great apostasy because they are deceived.

How did He choose the first group?

 

[WIP]

God keeps good records.He knows His own.He knows who will be saved and who will not even before we are born.After all He is God .Do you think that God is going to make a mistake?"OOPS,they were not saved afterall like I thought they would be".The names of the saved have always been written in the Book of Life.They will written in the Book permanently.

Doesn't this beg the question, "Why then did Christ die?" If those who will be saved are saved before they are born then what does Christ's death serve and what is the purpose for evangelizing? This is the part that really gets me pondering thoughts.

 

[Kathi]

Doesn't this beg the question, "Why then did Christ die?" If those who will be saved are saved before they are born then what does Christ's death serve and what is the purpose for evangelizing? This is the part that really gets me pondering thoughts.

I just believe that Christ knows who will be written in the "Lamb's Book of Life".I do not believe that He only chooses a group of people to be saved.I think that we have free will and everyone has a choice to come to Christ.But God knows who they will be.Some of these people might live very,very sinful lives until later in their lives and then for some reason come to Christ.God knows who they are.I believe that all those who are not believers and never will come to Christ will be at the Great White Throne Judgment and their names will be written in the "Book of the Living" along with every thing they have ever done and said.And that also includes every sinful thought.

 

[Gary]

Doesn't this beg the question, "Why then did Christ die?" If those who will be saved are saved before they are born then what does Christ's death serve and what is the purpose for evangelizing? This is the part that really gets me pondering thoughts.

I think there are those who are predestined, but I also believe God has an open invitation for anyone who chooses to follow the Shepherd.
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[Jethro Bodine]

At one time I thought that maybe everyone was written in at birth and taken out at death if they didn't receive the Lord.
But this verse makes it clear that there was/is/will be people who are alive and not written in the book.

Because they accepted the mark of the beast whereby the breath in them does not signify hope.

 

[Deborah13]

Doesn't this beg the question, "Why then did Christ die?" If those who will be saved are saved before they are born then what does Christ's death serve and what is the purpose for evangelizing? This is the part that really gets me pondering thoughts.

Spurgeon asked the same question as your second one. He did a sermon on it.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I think there are those who are predestined, but I also believe God has an open invitation for anyone who chooses to follow the Shepherd.
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John the Baptist is the only one that I know of that was predetermined to be 'saved' ahead of time apart from his own will to be so, or not to be so. (He had the Holy Spirit from birth).